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2/17/2005 2:43:00 PM


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jwsheffield@satx.rr.com

2/11/2013 2:43:00 AM

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Fourth Council of Carthage (A. D. 419)

CANON XXIV.

That nothing be read in church besides the Canonical Scripture.

ITEM, that besides the Canonical Scriptures nothing be read in church
under the name of divine Scripture.

But the Canonical Scriptures are as follows:

Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
Joshua the Son of Nun
The Judges
Ruth
The Kings (4 books)
The Chronicles (2 books)
Job
The Psalter
The Five books of Solomon
The Twelve Books of the Prophets
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezechiel
Daniel
Tobit
Judith
Esther
Ezra (2 books)
Macchabees (2 books)

The New Testament:

The Gospels (4 books)
The Acts of the Apostles (1 book)
The Epistles of Paul (14)
The Epistles of Peter, the Apostle (2)
The Epistles of John the Apostle (3)
The Epistles of James the Apostle (1)
The Epistle of Jude the Apostle (1)
The Revelation of John (1 book)

Let this be sent to our brother and fellow bishop, [Pope] Boniface,
and to the other bishops of those parts, that they may confirm this
canon, for these are the things which we have received from our
fathers to be read in church.

http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/Car...


The 39 Articles form the basic summary of belief of the Church of
England.

Article VI: Of the Sufficiency of the holy Scriptures for salvation

Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that
whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to
be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of
the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the
name of the holy Scripture, we do understand those Canonical books of
the Old and New Testament, of whose authority was never any doubt in
the Church.

Of the Names and Number of the Canonical Books
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
The First Book of Samuel
The Second Book of Samuel
The First Book of Kings
The Second Book of Kings The First Book of Chronicles
The Second Book of Chronicles
The First Book of Esdras
The Second Book of Esdras
The Book of Esther
The Book of Job
The Psalms
The Proverbs
Ecclesiastes or Preacher
Cantica, or Songs of Solomon
Four Prophets the greater
Twelve Prophets the less

And the other Books (as Hierome saith) the Church doth read for
example of life and instruction of manners; but yet doth it not apply
them to establish any doctrine; such are these following:
The Third Book of Esdras
The Fourth Book of Esdras
The Book of Tobias
The Book of Judith
The rest of the Book of Esther
The Book of Wisdom
Jesus the Son of Sirach Baruch the Prophet
The Song of the Three Children
The Story of Susanna
Of Bel and the Dragon
The Prayer of Manasses
The First Book of Maccabees
The Second Book of Maccabees

All the Books of the New Testament, as they are commonly received, we
do receive, and account them Canonical.

http://www.victorianweb.org/religion/39art...

jwsheffield@satx.rr.com

2/11/2013 6:42:00 PM

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Did Muhammad Exist?:
An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)


Book Description
Publication Date: April 23, 2012
Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
about Islam is about to change.

Did Muhammad exist?

It is a question that few have thought—or dared—to ask. Virtually
everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, takes for granted that the
prophet of Islam lived and led in seventh-century Arabia.

But this widely accepted story begins to crumble on close examination,
as Robert Spencer shows in his eye-opening new book.

In his blockbuster bestseller The Truth about Muhammad, Spencer
revealed the shocking contents of the earliest Islamic biographical
material about the prophet of Islam. Now, in Did Muhammad Exist?, he
uncovers that material’s surprisingly shaky historical foundations.
Spencer meticulously examines historical records, archaeological
findings, and pioneering new scholarship to reconstruct what we can
know about Muhammad, the Qur’an, and the early days of Islam. The
evidence he presents challenges the most fundamental assumptions about
Islam’s origins.

Did Muhammad Exist? reveals:

How the earliest biographical material about Muhammad dates from at
least 125 years after his reported death
How six decades passed before the Arabian conquerors—or the people
they conquered—even mentioned Muhammad, the Qur’an, or Islam
The startling evidence that the Qur’an was constructed from existing
materials—including pre-Islamic Christian texts
How even Muslim scholars acknowledge that countless reports of
Muhammad’s deeds were fabricated
Why a famous mosque inscription may refer not to Muhammad but,
astonishingly, to Jesus
How the oldest records referring to a man named Muhammad bear little
resemblance to the now-standard Islamic account of the life of the
prophet
The many indications that Arabian leaders fashioned Islam for
political reasons
Far from an anti-Islamic polemic, Did Muhammad Exist? is a sober but
unflinching look at the origins of one of the world’s major religions.
While Judaism and Christianity have been subjected to searching
historical criticism for more than two centuries, Islam has never
received the same treatment on any significant scale.

The real story of Muhammad and early Islam has long remained in the
shadows. Robert Spencer brings it into the light at long last.

http://www.amazon.com/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Inquiry-Obscure/dp/...

dzweibach

2/11/2013 7:35:00 PM

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"jwsheffield@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffield@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Did Muhammad Exist?:
> An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
> Robert Spencer (Author)
>
> Book Description
> Publication Date: April 23, 2012
> Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
> about Islam is about to change.
>
> Did Muhammad exist?
>
> It is a question that few have thought=97or dared=97to ask. Virtually
> everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, takes for granted that the
> prophet of Islam lived and led in seventh-century Arabia.
>
> But this widely accepted story begins to crumble on close examination,
> as Robert Spencer shows in his eye-opening new book.
>
> In his blockbuster bestseller The Truth about Muhammad, Spencer
> revealed the shocking contents of the earliest Islamic biographical
> material about the prophet of Islam. Now, in Did Muhammad Exist?, he
> uncovers that material=92s surprisingly shaky historical foundations.
> Spencer meticulously examines historical records, archaeological
> findings, and pioneering new scholarship to reconstruct what we can
> know about Muhammad, the Qur=92an, and the early days of Islam. The
> evidence he presents challenges the most fundamental assumptions about
> Islam=92s origins.
>
> Did Muhammad Exist? reveals:
>
> How the earliest biographical material about Muhammad dates from at
> least 125 years after his reported death
> How six decades passed before the Arabian conquerors=97or the people
> they conquered=97even mentioned Muhammad, the Qur=92an, or Islam
> The startling evidence that the Qur=92an was constructed from existing
> materials=97including pre-Islamic Christian texts
> How even Muslim scholars acknowledge that countless reports of
> Muhammad=92s deeds were fabricated
> Why a famous mosque inscription may refer not to Muhammad but,
> astonishingly, to Jesus
> How the oldest records referring to a man named Muhammad bear little
> resemblance to the now-standard Islamic account of the life of the
> prophet
> The many indications that Arabian leaders fashioned Islam for
> political reasons
> Far from an anti-Islamic polemic, Did Muhammad Exist? is a sober but
> unflinching look at the origins of one of the world=92s major religions.
> While Judaism and Christianity have been subjected to searching
> historical criticism for more than two centuries, Islam has never
> received the same treatment on any significant scale.
>
> The real story of Muhammad and early Islam has long remained in the
> shadows. Robert Spencer brings it into the light at long last.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Inquiry-Obscure/dp/...

Most of the above post is wrong so the book must be wrong.

Better choice:

http://www.amazon.com/Muhammad-Biography-Prophet-Armstrong-ebook/...
US4/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1360610852&sr=1-2&keywords=karen+
armstrong+muhammad

Ms. Armstrong is the most respected writer of books on religeon in the
world. Check out her Wiki page. fascinating person, ex-nun. All her books
are must reading for anyone interested in religeon.

Jason

2/11/2013 10:25:00 PM

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In article
<5947a651-36e5-4046-9d15-b9840d90cbf6@r13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
"jwsheffield@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffield@satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Did Muhammad Exist?:
> An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
> Robert Spencer (Author)
>
>
> Book Description
> Publication Date: April 23, 2012
> Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
> about Islam is about to change.
>
> Did Muhammad exist?
>
> It is a question that few have thought=97or dared=97to ask. Virtually
> everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, takes for granted that the
> prophet of Islam lived and led in seventh-century Arabia.
>
> But this widely accepted story begins to crumble on close examination,
> as Robert Spencer shows in his eye-opening new book.
>
> In his blockbuster bestseller The Truth about Muhammad, Spencer
> revealed the shocking contents of the earliest Islamic biographical
> material about the prophet of Islam. Now, in Did Muhammad Exist?, he
> uncovers that material=92s surprisingly shaky historical foundations.
> Spencer meticulously examines historical records, archaeological
> findings, and pioneering new scholarship to reconstruct what we can
> know about Muhammad, the Qur=92an, and the early days of Islam. The
> evidence he presents challenges the most fundamental assumptions about
> Islam=92s origins.
>
> Did Muhammad Exist? reveals:
>
> How the earliest biographical material about Muhammad dates from at
> least 125 years after his reported death
> How six decades passed before the Arabian conquerors=97or the people
> they conquered=97even mentioned Muhammad, the Qur=92an, or Islam
> The startling evidence that the Qur=92an was constructed from existing
> materials=97including pre-Islamic Christian texts
> How even Muslim scholars acknowledge that countless reports of
> Muhammad=92s deeds were fabricated
> Why a famous mosque inscription may refer not to Muhammad but,
> astonishingly, to Jesus
> How the oldest records referring to a man named Muhammad bear little
> resemblance to the now-standard Islamic account of the life of the
> prophet
> The many indications that Arabian leaders fashioned Islam for
> political reasons
> Far from an anti-Islamic polemic, Did Muhammad Exist? is a sober but
> unflinching look at the origins of one of the world=92s major religions.
> While Judaism and Christianity have been subjected to searching
> historical criticism for more than two centuries, Islam has never
> received the same treatment on any significant scale.
>
> The real story of Muhammad and early Islam has long remained in the
> shadows. Robert Spencer brings it into the light at long last.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Inquiry-Obscure/dp/...

Muhammad did exist but the REAL Muhammad is far different than current
Muslims learn about in their lives as Muslims. Muslims living today are
told that Muhammad believed in the same God (Jehovah, Yahweh, Elohim and
Yah) that Christians believe in. Muhammad believed in a moon God named
Hubal and Allah. The roots of the Islam religion are in paganism. Read
this:

www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm

Hubal and Allah the Moon God?

Islam: Truth or Myth? start page

Introduction to basic facts of history:

1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The
crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far
back as 2000 BC.
2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.
3. This Hubal was a moon god.
4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was
placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may
in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret
at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque
throughout the world:

About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr
bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol
called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of
the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar
(Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)

5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper
name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god".
Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan
god as "al-ilah".
6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began
promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".
8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name
"Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".
9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the
Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is
derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.

Jeanne Douglas

2/12/2013 2:39:00 AM

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In article
<Jason-1102131424490001@67-150-123-199.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article
> <5947a651-36e5-4046-9d15-b9840d90cbf6@r13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> "jwsheffield@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffield@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Did Muhammad Exist?:
> > An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
> > Robert Spencer (Author)
> >
> >
> > Book Description
> > Publication Date: April 23, 2012
> > Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
> > about Islam is about to change.
> >
> > Did Muhammad exist?
> >
> > It is a question that few have thought=97or dared=97to ask. Virtually
> > everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, takes for granted that the
> > prophet of Islam lived and led in seventh-century Arabia.
> >
> > But this widely accepted story begins to crumble on close examination,
> > as Robert Spencer shows in his eye-opening new book.
> >
> > In his blockbuster bestseller The Truth about Muhammad, Spencer
> > revealed the shocking contents of the earliest Islamic biographical
> > material about the prophet of Islam. Now, in Did Muhammad Exist?, he
> > uncovers that material=92s surprisingly shaky historical foundations.
> > Spencer meticulously examines historical records, archaeological
> > findings, and pioneering new scholarship to reconstruct what we can
> > know about Muhammad, the Qur=92an, and the early days of Islam. The
> > evidence he presents challenges the most fundamental assumptions about
> > Islam=92s origins.
> >
> > Did Muhammad Exist? reveals:
> >
> > How the earliest biographical material about Muhammad dates from at
> > least 125 years after his reported death
> > How six decades passed before the Arabian conquerors=97or the people
> > they conquered=97even mentioned Muhammad, the Qur=92an, or Islam
> > The startling evidence that the Qur=92an was constructed from existing
> > materials=97including pre-Islamic Christian texts
> > How even Muslim scholars acknowledge that countless reports of
> > Muhammad=92s deeds were fabricated
> > Why a famous mosque inscription may refer not to Muhammad but,
> > astonishingly, to Jesus
> > How the oldest records referring to a man named Muhammad bear little
> > resemblance to the now-standard Islamic account of the life of the
> > prophet
> > The many indications that Arabian leaders fashioned Islam for
> > political reasons
> > Far from an anti-Islamic polemic, Did Muhammad Exist? is a sober but
> > unflinching look at the origins of one of the world=92s major religions.
> > While Judaism and Christianity have been subjected to searching
> > historical criticism for more than two centuries, Islam has never
> > received the same treatment on any significant scale.
> >
> > The real story of Muhammad and early Islam has long remained in the
> > shadows. Robert Spencer brings it into the light at long last.
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Inquiry-Obscure/dp/...
>
> Muhammad did exist but the REAL Muhammad is far different than current
> Muslims learn about in their lives as Muslims. Muslims living today are
> told that Muhammad believed in the same God (Jehovah, Yahweh, Elohim and
> Yah) that Christians believe in. Muhammad believed in a moon God named
> Hubal and Allah. The roots of the Islam religion are in paganism.

As are Judaism and Christianity. So what's your point?

> Read
> this:

Why I should I read your lies again?

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

jwsheffield@satx.rr.com

2/12/2013 3:18:00 AM

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On Feb 11, 1:34 pm, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
> "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> > Did Muhammad Exist?:
> >  An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
> > Robert Spencer (Author)
>
> > Book Description
> > Publication Date: April 23, 2012
> > Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
> > about Islam is about to change.
>
> > Did Muhammad exist?
>
> > It is a question that few have thought=97or dared=97to ask. Virtually
> > everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, takes for granted that the
> > prophet of Islam lived and led in seventh-century Arabia.
>
> > But this widely accepted story begins to crumble on close examination,
> > as Robert Spencer shows in his eye-opening new book.
>
> > In his blockbuster bestseller The Truth about Muhammad, Spencer
> > revealed the shocking contents of the earliest Islamic biographical
> > material about the prophet of Islam. Now, in Did Muhammad Exist?, he
> > uncovers that material=92s surprisingly shaky historical foundations.
> > Spencer meticulously examines historical records, archaeological
> > findings, and pioneering new scholarship to reconstruct what we can
> > know about Muhammad, the Qur=92an, and the early days of Islam. The
> > evidence he presents challenges the most fundamental assumptions about
> > Islam=92s origins.
>
> > Did Muhammad Exist? reveals:
>
> > How the earliest biographical material about Muhammad dates from at
> > least 125 years after his reported death
> > How six decades passed before the Arabian conquerors=97or the people
> > they conquered=97even mentioned Muhammad, the Qur=92an, or Islam
> > The startling evidence that the Qur=92an was constructed from existing
> > materials=97including pre-Islamic Christian texts
> > How even Muslim scholars acknowledge that countless reports of
> > Muhammad=92s deeds were fabricated
> > Why a famous mosque inscription may refer not to Muhammad but,
> > astonishingly, to Jesus
> > How the oldest records referring to a man named Muhammad bear little
> > resemblance to the now-standard Islamic account of the life of the
> > prophet
> > The many indications that Arabian leaders fashioned Islam for
> > political reasons
> > Far from an anti-Islamic polemic, Did Muhammad Exist? is a sober but
> > unflinching look at the origins of one of the world=92s major religions.
> > While Judaism and Christianity have been subjected to searching
> > historical criticism for more than two centuries, Islam has never
> > received the same treatment on any significant scale.
>
> > The real story of Muhammad and early Islam has long remained in the
> > shadows. Robert Spencer brings it into the light at long last.
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Inquiry-Obscure/dp/...
>
> Most of the above post is wrong so the book must be wrong.
>
> Better choice:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Muhammad-Biography-Prophet-Armstrong-......
> US4/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1360610852&sr=1-2&keywords=karen+
> armstrong+muhammad
>
> Ms. Armstrong is the most respected writer of books on religeon in the
> world. Check out her Wiki page. fascinating person, ex-nun. All her books
> are must reading for anyone interested in religeon.


Karen Armstrong attacks Robert Spencer
by sheikyermami on April 29, 2007

With thanks to LFG:



Western apologists for Islam invariably resort to ad hominem attacks
and obscure deceptions when they attempt to confront a knowledgeable
critic like Robert Spencer; at Jihad Watch Spencer replies to a review
by Karen Armstrong of his biography of Mohammed: Karen Armstrong
reviews Spencer’s The Truth About Muhammad.

The conclusion of Spencer’s rebuttal contains a perfect example of the
deception mentioned above. In her review, Armstrong says the Koran
condemns “all warfare as an awesome evil.”

In the comments field below, Jihad Watch reader “Great Comet of 1577”
has found the Qur’an verse to which Armstrong was referring. It’s
Qur’an 2:217:

“They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred
month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression) [or an ”awesome
evil“], but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in
Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people
thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than
killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they
have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And whoso
becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief: such are they whose
works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are
rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein.”

Thus, contrary to Armstrong’s statement that this verse refers to “all
warfare” as “an ‘awesome evil,’ in fact the verse refers only to
warfare during the sacred month as evil at all, and then goes on to
say that ”persecution is worse than killing.“

In context, this verse was revealed to justify a Muslim raid on a
Quraysh caravan: the raid took place during a sacred month, during
which war was forbidden. But the Quraysh were allegedly persecuting
the Muslims, so this verse absolves the Muslims of guilt for the raid
— since ”persecution is worse than killing.“

So in fact, the verse that Armstrong is using to argue that the Qur’an
teaches that war is an ”awesome evil” actually teaches that moral
precepts, such as the prohibition on fighting during the sacred month,
may be set aside to benefit the Muslims.

Fjordman comments:

I wonder how much the Saudi’s are paying her. (it is a fact that
Armstrong has received ‘grants’ from our ‘friends’- the Sowdi’s…)

BTW: Here is a rather different conclusion:

Islam is the most Warlike Religion

A Danish language researcher has spent over three years analyzing the
original texts of ten different religions, and concludes that the
Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger
degree than other religions do. Four years after the terror attacks at
the World Trade Center, Danish linguist Tina Magaard presents an
analysis that questions Islam’s relationship with terror, violence and
Holy War.

Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree
than the original texts of other religions, concludes Tina Magaard.
She has a PhD in Textual Analysis and Intercultural Communication from
the Sorbonne in Paris, and has spent three years on a research project
comparing the original texts of ten religions. “The texts in Islam
distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by
encouraging violence and aggression against people with other
religious beliefs to a larger degree. There are also straightforward
calls for terror. This has long been a taboo in the research into
Islam, but it is a fact that we need to deal with,” says Tina Magaard.

Moreover, there are hundreds of calls in the Koran for fighting
against people of other faiths. “If it is correct that many Muslims
view the Koran as the literal words of God, which cannot be
interpreted or rephrased, then we have a problem. It is indisputable
that the texts encourage terror and violence. Consequently, it must be
reasonable to ask Muslims themselves how they relate to the text, if
they read it as it is,” says Tina Magaard.

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/29/karen-armstrong-attacks-rober...