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Re: Strategy Shifts, and Learning Tools in General

Matt Faunce

7/12/2011 1:57:00 PM

On Friday, July 8, 2011 11:34:11 AM UTC-4, Slogoin wrote:
>
> It's... rhetoric, not logic. What else is there to say? If you want
> logic then use the symbols not words... words that we define and
> redefine until we don't remember what the original subject was.

Before you write any symbols you need to know what form to put the symbols in. The first step in formal logic, or critic, is classifying the argument. I classified the argument as a combination of hypothesis and induction, thus I said "To be more precise I'd have to define what is a long shot in logic." Then, to include any reader who might not remember the fundamentals of logic, and who wanted to follow this debate, I defined (using examples) hypothesis and induction.

All thought being performed by means of signs,
logic may be regarded as the science of the general
laws of signs. It has three branches: (1) Speculative
Grammar, or the general theory of the nature and
meanings of signs, whether they be icons, indices, or
symbols; (2) Critic, which classifies arguments and
determines the validity and degree of force of each
kind; (3) Methodeutic, which studies the methods that
ought to be pursued in the investigation, in the
exposition, and in the application of truth. Each
division depends on that which precedes it.
C. S. Peirce in 'A Syllabus of Certain Topics of Logic'

(Methodeutic is also called Speculative Rhetoric. Peirce's meanings of signs, icons, indices, critc, rhetoric, etc. can be found here: http://www.helsinki.fi/science/commens/dicti...
which was also my source for the above quote.)

Even though I used the word "logic" in its strictest sense, there are perfectly legitimate senses of the word which are much broader, as you can also see in the above quote.

Matt
1 Answer

Slogoin

7/12/2011 2:10:00 PM

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On Jul 12, 6:57 am, Matt Faunce <mattfau...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Before you write any symbols you need
> to know what form to put the symbols in.

Then we're screwed - these words are symbols.

I'm not sure what you are looking for at this point... a "debate"? I
thought we were talking about music metaphors for pitch. Have you read
anything I posted on this, yet?