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Building A Better Right Hand: July 10 Update

augustineregal@yahoo.com

7/10/2011 9:05:00 PM

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Slogoin

7/10/2011 10:30:00 PM

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On Jul 10, 2:04 pm, "augustinere...@yahoo.com"
<augustinere...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://betterrighthand.blogspot.com/2011/07/burning-candle-......
>
> Tom Poore
> South Euclid, OH
> USA

Both to the middle is good, for everything. :-)
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I know you probably know this intellectually but...

For speed bursts play to the last note in the group. Set the
metronome so that note is the one on the beat not the first note of
the burst group.

..._ not _...

You should feel it like a baseball pitch coming at you with all the
sense of acceleration. You feel the timing in your body. This is the
basic gesture.

Tone, volume and tempo can change the curve of the line which is why
I suggest ramps that explore the full range of each of these elements
over the range of the burst gesture.
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augustineregal@yahoo.com

7/11/2011 12:13:00 PM

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Slogoin wrote:

> For speed bursts play to the last note in the group. Set the
> metronome so that note is the one on the beat not the first note of
> the burst group.
>
>  You should feel it like a baseball pitch coming at you with all the
> sense of acceleration. You feel the timing in your body. This is the
> basic gesture.

There's a danger in doing this. In driving to the last note, one can
tense up through the burst, ending up more tense at the end of the
burst than at the beginning. To practice a burst as a preliminary
step toward sustained alternation, it seems sensible to emphasize
a consistent feel throughout the burst, feeing no more tense at the
end than at the beginning. If one can do that, then it might be pos-
sible to gradually extend the length of the burst without losing
physical ease.

At least that's my theory.

Tom Poore
South Euclid, OH
USA

Slogoin

7/11/2011 1:13:00 PM

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On Jul 11, 5:13 am, "augustinere...@yahoo.com"
<augustinere...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There's a danger in doing this.

No, there is no danger.

> In driving to the last note, one can
> tense up through the burst, ending up
> more tense at the end of the burst than
> at the beginning.

That's the gesture. Gestures are curves in most music. Practicing
non-music is dangerous.

> To practice a burst as a preliminary
> step toward sustained alternation,
> it seems sensible to emphasize
> a consistent feel throughout the burst,
> feeing no more tense at the
> end than at the beginning.

Completely backassword. Use your body to inform the gesture. Don't
try to analyze it but just work to get the feel, like a kid, not like
an adult. The gesture is physical and almost all are curved lines of
tone, volume and tempo. Practice curves not straight lines.

> If one can do that, then it might be pos-
> sible to gradually extend the length of
> the burst without losing physical ease.
> At least that's my theory.

Your theory is cart before the horse. Feeling first then analyze it
to improve it. Get the GESTURE then refine it. You are using your head
to do something physical. It won't work.


Che

7/11/2011 2:16:00 PM

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JPD

7/11/2011 3:10:00 PM

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On Jul 11, 6:12 am, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 5:13 am, "augustinere...@yahoo.com"
>
> <augustinere...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > There's a danger in doing this.
>
> No, there is no danger.
>
> > In driving to the last note, one can
> > tense up through the burst, ending up
> > more tense at the end of the burst than
> > at the beginning.
>
>    That's the gesture. Gestures are curves in most music. Practicing
> non-music is dangerous.
>
> > To practice a burst as a preliminary
> > step toward sustained alternation,
> > it seems sensible to emphasize
> > a consistent feel throughout the burst,
> > feeing no more tense at the
> > end than at the beginning.
>
>    Completely backassword. Use your body to inform the gesture. Don't
> try to analyze it but just work to get the feel, like a kid, not like
> an adult. The gesture is physical and almost all are curved lines of
> tone, volume and tempo. Practice curves not straight lines.
>
> > If one can do that, then it might be pos-
> > sible to gradually extend the length of
> > the burst without losing physical ease.
> > At least that's my theory.
>
>    Your theory is cart before the horse. Feeling first then analyze it
> to improve it. Get the GESTURE then refine it. You are using your head
> to do something physical. It won't work.

If I remember correctly, Tom's goal is to alternate i and m at 720
notes per minute. (16ths at 180bpm.) That's 12 notes per second.

He thinks it's possible because he "has the raw speed," he says. He
says this because he can drum i and m on his desktop at that speed.

Well, using that sort of reasoning, it's possible that I can fly like
an eagle, because I can flap my arms as fast as an eagle can flap its
wings. I have the raw speed.

But really, raw finger-flapping speed is as much a factor in producing
12 notes per second as raw wing-flapping speed is a factor in an eagle
staying airborne.

What really counts in the guitar problem is the accuracy and
efficiency of the return of the fingertip to the string after each
stroke. (Which is why fast scales that cross from higher to lower
strings are so much easier to play than scales that cross from lower
to higher strings.)

I'd like to write more, but I see the Dow is down 170, the debt
contagion has spread from Greece to Italy, the Republicans are playing
chicken with the Democrats over the debt ceiling, and it looks like
the wheels are about to come off. Maybe later.

Slogoin

7/11/2011 4:07:00 PM

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On Jul 11, 8:09 am, JPD <googlegroo...@guitarist.com> wrote:

> What really counts in the guitar problem
> is the accuracy and efficiency of the return
> of the fingertip to the string after each stroke.

I don't think you need to worry about "efficiency" if you just focus
on getting the feeling of the gesture. It's about rhythm and fitting
groups of notes to gestures. Kids get it, adults try to rationalize
why they shouldn't even try it.

I do think the return is important, and suggest rasqueados with
scales and arpeggios, but I think "efficiency" has really led a lot of
people down a path of analyzing it to death and forgetting to focus on
getting the feel for it by copying those who can do it.

> I'd like to write more, but I see the Dow is down 170, the debt
> contagion has spread from Greece to Italy, the Republicans are playing
> chicken with the Democrats over the debt ceiling, and it looks like
> the wheels are about to come off. Maybe later.

The wheels fell off a while back but Wolly told us the recession was
over, relax, China will default like Japan and all will be OK.

We've been skidding along praying for wheels to fall from heaven and
attach themselves to the car, because... we're "special".

Douglas Seth

7/11/2011 5:00:00 PM

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On Jul 11, 12:02 pm, Che <Comanchetr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Deq1DqFa1Vo&featu...

This is my favorite part. Once you call them in, they don't fly very
well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t...

dsi1

7/11/2011 5:37:00 PM

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On 7/11/2011 6:02 AM, Che wrote:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Deq1DqFa1Vo&featu...

That's pretty nutty. What's next? A tree full of pigs of course! :-)

Richard Jernigan

7/11/2011 6:16:00 PM

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On Jul 11, 11:02 am, Che <Comanchetr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Deq1DqFa1Vo&featu...

Wild turkeys can fly. Tame turkeys can't.

In southern Mexico and Central America there are two kinds of wild
turkeys. The Mexicans call them "guajalote" and "faisan". If I ever
knew the Mayan names, I have forgotten them.

The guajalote is the ancestor of domesticated turkeys. The faisan
(=turkey in southern Mexico, pheasant in Spain) is the more graceful
of the two and a stronger flier, but both fly quite well.

Wild turkeys in Texas are the guajalote type. They tend to prefer
walking and running, but they can fly when they need to.

But there's no hope for tame turkeys.

RNJ