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Quantum Tao: The scientific basis for various metaphysical phenomena?

asjbiotek

1/21/2009 9:23:00 PM

Your ideas and comments on the various propositions in this web page
would be highly appreciated.

It suggests the possible underlying basis for various religious and
metaphysical phenomena such as reincarnation, astral projection, etc.

http://www.blueboard.co...

Thanks.
8 Answers

undsalsufy

1/21/2009 10:10:00 PM

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On Jan 21, 11:22 pm, kalim2008 <asjbio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your ideas and comments on the various propositions in this web page
> would be highly appreciated.
>
> It suggests the possible underlying basis for various religious and
> metaphysical phenomena such as reincarnation, astral projection, etc.
>
> http://www.blueboard.co...
>
> Thanks.

You would be interested in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic...

The holographic principle states that the entropy of ordinary mass
(not just black holes) is also proportional to surface area and not
volume; that volume itself is illusory and the universe is really a
hologram which is isomorphic to the information "inscribed" on the
surface of its boundary [6].

asjbiotek

1/21/2009 10:28:00 PM

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On Jan 21, 5:10 pm, undsalsufy <undsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You would be interested in this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic...
>
> The holographic principle states that the entropy of ordinary mass
> (not just black holes) is also proportional to surface area and not
> volume; that volume itself is illusory and the universe is really a
> hologram which is isomorphic to the information "inscribed" on the
> surface of its boundary [6].


Thank you....interestingly enough, the FaceBook group dedicated to the
quantum tao page is also currently discussing holographic principle
from this article:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-...

What a coincidence! :-)

Damaeus

1/21/2009 10:45:00 PM

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Reading from news:alt.religion.wicca,
undsalsufy <undsalsufy@gmail.com> posted:

> You would be interested in this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic...
>
> The holographic principle states that the entropy of ordinary mass (not
> just black holes) is also proportional to surface area and not volume;
> that volume itself is illusory and the universe is really a hologram
> which is isomorphic to the information "inscribed" on the surface of its
> boundary [6].

I sometimes think of the universe being filled with spinnable particles.
Spin them to one position, you can't see them. Spin them into others, and
you get different colors and transparencies.

Damaeus
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kamerm

1/22/2009 12:39:00 AM

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"Damaeus" <no-mail@damaeus.yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
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> Reading from news:alt.religion.wicca,
> undsalsufy <undsalsufy@gmail.com> posted:
>
>> You would be interested in this:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic...
>>
>> The holographic principle states that the entropy of ordinary mass (not
>> just black holes) is also proportional to surface area and not volume;
>> that volume itself is illusory and the universe is really a hologram
>> which is isomorphic to the information "inscribed" on the surface of its
>> boundary [6].

? volume's not illusory. jes means past a certain density, quantum
information (which isn't the same as classic info - for one thing, quantum
info can't be cloned) is sequestered and not directly observable. Nothing
keeps it from being revealed at a later time when density drops. For
analogy considered how info in your friend's head is sequestered - you see
evidence of its presence, but not its specifics, and can only access it at a
certain rate.

> I sometimes think of the universe being filled with spinnable particles.
> Spin them to one position, you can't see them. Spin them into others, and
> you get different colors and transparencies.

quantify and propose your symmetries, but in a sci. group, please

-k

> Damaeus
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> / __ \ ____ _ ____ ___ ____ _ ___ __ __ _____
> / / / / / __ `/ / __ `__ \ / __ `/ / _ \ / / / / / ___/
> / /_/ / / /_/ / / / / / / / / /_/ / / __/ / /_/ / (__ )
> /_____/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \___/ \__,_/ /____/
>
> damaeus@damaeus.earthlink.net
> Remove "damaeus" from the domain to reply by e-mail.


possum

1/22/2009 1:29:00 AM

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"kalim2008" <asjbiotek@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6c3e709f-fd38-4131-8aa6-89e5386e081f@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 5:10 pm, undsalsufy <undsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You would be interested in
> this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic...
>
> The holographic principle states that the entropy of
> ordinary mass
> (not just black holes) is also proportional to surface
> area and not
> volume; that volume itself is illusory and the universe is
> really a
> hologram which is isomorphic to the information
> "inscribed" on the
> surface of its boundary [6].


Thank you....interestingly enough, the FaceBook group
dedicated to the
quantum tao page is also currently discussing holographic
principle
from this article:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-...

What a coincidence! :-)

: -)


chris

1/22/2009 10:00:00 AM

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Any perspective focused on EMF only describes 6% of the universe and
covers a symmetry-grounded perspective operating in an asymmetric
thermodynmic universe. We can only detect the other 94% due to
anomolies in our models of gravity.

Consciousness is asymmetric and its development can aid in resolving
the above issues in that as an agent of medation it can break
symmetries as it can make them.

Chris
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/int...

Damaeus

1/22/2009 10:44:00 AM

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Reading from news:alt.religion.wicca,
"kamerm" <kamermx@yahoo.com> posted:

> ? volume's not illusory. jes means past a certain density, quantum
> information (which isn't the same as classic info - for one thing,
> quantum info can't be cloned) is sequestered and not directly
> observable. Nothing keeps it from being revealed at a later time when
> density drops. For analogy considered how info in your friend's head is
> sequestered - you see evidence of its presence, but not its specifics,
> and can only access it at a certain rate.
>
> Damaeus - I sometimes think of the universe being filled with
> Damaeus - spinnable particles. Spin them to one position, you
> Damaeus - can't see them. Spin them into others, and you get
> Damaeus - different colors and transparencies.
>
> quantify and propose your symmetries, but in a sci. group, please

Um... you just replied to the same message I replied to with your input.
Why are you criticizing me for posting about it in this newsgroup, while
you do the same?

Damaeus
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/ / / / / __ `/ / __ `__ \ / __ `/ / _ \ / / / / / ___/
/ /_/ / / /_/ / / / / / / / / /_/ / / __/ / /_/ / (__ )
/_____/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \___/ \__,_/ /____/

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kamerm

1/22/2009 3:26:00 PM

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"Damaeus" <no-mail@damaeus.yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
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> Reading from news:alt.religion.wicca,
> "kamerm" <kamermx@yahoo.com> posted:
>
>> ? volume's not illusory. jes means past a certain density, quantum
>> information (which isn't the same as classic info - for one thing,
>> quantum info can't be cloned) is sequestered and not directly
>> observable. Nothing keeps it from being revealed at a later time when
>> density drops. For analogy considered how info in your friend's head is
>> sequestered - you see evidence of its presence, but not its specifics,
>> and can only access it at a certain rate.
>>
>> Damaeus - I sometimes think of the universe being filled with
>> Damaeus - spinnable particles. Spin them to one position, you
>> Damaeus - can't see them. Spin them into others, and you get
>> Damaeus - different colors and transparencies.
>>
>> quantify and propose your symmetries, but in a sci. group, please
>
> Um... you just replied to the same message I replied to with your input.
> Why are you criticizing me for posting about it in this newsgroup, while
> you do the same?

discussing relevance is OT (as you did with your offer and i in response) in
a limited, meta kind of way.
otoh, posting a new set of symmetries, while way cool, would certainly be OT
(though way cool ;-)

imho
-k

> Damaeus
> --
> ____
> / __ \ ____ _ ____ ___ ____ _ ___ __ __ _____
> / / / / / __ `/ / __ `__ \ / __ `/ / _ \ / / / / / ___/
> / /_/ / / /_/ / / / / / / / / /_/ / / __/ / /_/ / (__ )
> /_____/ \__,_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \__,_/ \___/ \__,_/ /____/
>
> damaeus@damaeus.earthlink.net
> Remove "damaeus" from the domain to reply by e-mail.