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cryptoguy

6/30/2013 4:11:00 AM

This is part of the Black Prince Legendary quest line.

Finally got to it, but am having a *lot* of trouble. Part of the issue is
that my DPS spec (Ret pally) is my offspec, and I neither play it
particularly well, nor is it very well geared. 6866 on wow-heroes, compared
to 7526 for my main, Holy spec. I've gemmed and enchanted my gear, and
brought my average DPS up from ~2500 to ~3500, but it doesn't seem to help
(at least I can now get through the trash at the start).

Another part of the problem is not fully groking the mechanics - some posts
on wowhead suggest popping all the anvils when the final phase is entered,
but that seems not to help.

Any suggestions from others on the quest line?

pt
25 Answers

Catriona R

6/30/2013 10:48:00 AM

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On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:10:56 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:

>This is part of the Black Prince Legendary quest line.
>
>Finally got to it, but am having a *lot* of trouble. Part of the issue is
>that my DPS spec (Ret pally) is my offspec, and I neither play it
>particularly well, nor is it very well geared. 6866 on wow-heroes, compared
>to 7526 for my main, Holy spec. I've gemmed and enchanted my gear, and
>brought my average DPS up from ~2500 to ~3500, but it doesn't seem to help
>(at least I can now get through the trash at the start).
>
>Another part of the problem is not fully groking the mechanics - some posts
>on wowhead suggest popping all the anvils when the final phase is entered,
>but that seems not to help.
>
>Any suggestions from others on the quest line?

Haven't done it, but I've heard it can be done in any spec, so...
would it be worth trying in your Holy spec (and better gear) and
letting Wrathion tank or however it works for healers? I flippin' well
hope it works for healers anyway, given I have two healing specs and
not the foggiest idea how to play as shadow :-P

Peter T.

6/30/2013 11:58:00 AM

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Den 30-06-2013 06:10, Cryptoengineer skrev:
> This is part of the Black Prince Legendary quest line.
>
> Finally got to it, but am having a *lot* of trouble. Part of the issue is
> that my DPS spec (Ret pally) is my offspec, and I neither play it
> particularly well, nor is it very well geared. 6866 on wow-heroes, compared
> to 7526 for my main, Holy spec. I've gemmed and enchanted my gear, and
> brought my average DPS up from ~2500 to ~3500, but it doesn't seem to help
> (at least I can now get through the trash at the start).
>
> Another part of the problem is not fully groking the mechanics - some posts
> on wowhead suggest popping all the anvils when the final phase is entered,
> but that seems not to help.
>
> Any suggestions from others on the quest line?

I had at _least_ 40 attempts on this boss when I did it on my mage... I
know that as I spent exactly 2 stacks of healing pots! ^^

Stay near an unused anvil or keep track of the unused and used anvils so
you can click one when the boss casts his insanity. Watch his castbar
as his insanity has a 5 sec cast time or such. My experience is that
even if you click an anvil he still could cast Insanity. It happened
rarely though, but I guess it was a latency issue.
Kill the small add asap when it appears or it will take out your helper
for a time in the fight. Meanwhile you have to nuke him hard even when
youre avoiding his rain etc... Spend all your CDs at start.
When he is about 20% or a little less you have to click the spear or
whatever it is and throw it asap!

Maybe a raid flask or two will help you. Also you may have to check
your talents for this fight. I had to use other talents which I wasnt
familiar with (casting while I'm on the move etc).

Btw. when youre dead you have to resurrect as close as possible to the
door so you dont automatically start the fight when you res again. That
gives you time to heal up etc. :) If you have a warlock in the guild
then please get three health stones from him before you enter the
scenario again and save them for the boss. Use scrolls of
stamina/anything, pots, whatever that will make the fight easier.

Worst mini boss in history if I may be honest. I have done it on two
chars and I wont do it again unless Blizzard nerfs him.

--
Peter T.

Polarhound

7/1/2013 9:52:00 AM

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From Wowhead:

For any healers trying to do this, you don't need to respec for it. In
fact, I'd argue it's even easier to do as a healer than as a dps. How?
Well, in the first phase, the thunder forge will throw out orbs that
will give you the Overcharged buff, which mimics any healing you do as
damage to the nearest target. The mechanics here make sure the Shado-pan
assisting you will almost always have spare health to heal, so just let
them take aggro, stand near a mob, and heal them.

In the second and third phases, the Celestial Defender has a buff on him
that increases his damage in proportion to his remaining health. At 100%
health, he gets a 300% damage buff (compared to what he does at zero
health). As long as you keep him healed up, you'll have enough damage
being done to get through. He isn't perfect at keeping aggro off of the
Celestial Blacksmith, though, so you'll have to heal it as well. In the
second phase, I recommend you don't use the anvils - they immediately
reduce the Defender to half health (where he does half as much damage as
he does at full health). Watch for the Lethargy debuff on the Defender,
which decreases its damage, and dispel it whenever you see it up.

In the third phase, just keep the Defender healed up, kite the Sha
during banish, and dispel any debuffs that are put on the Defender. One
decreases its haste by 50%, and the other stuns it. Both are bad, but it
shouldn't be hard to keep them dispelled. Overall, this phase tends to
be easier than the second phase, though, as it's a lot less hectic. Just
avoid the Sha's attacks and be ready to use an anvil during each casting
of Insanity.

IYM

7/1/2013 11:30:00 AM

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On 6/30/2013 7:57 AM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 30-06-2013 06:10, Cryptoengineer skrev:
>> This is part of the Black Prince Legendary quest line.
>>
>> Finally got to it, but am having a *lot* of trouble. Part of the issue is
>> that my DPS spec (Ret pally) is my offspec, and I neither play it
>> particularly well, nor is it very well geared. 6866 on wow-heroes,
>> compared
>> to 7526 for my main, Holy spec. I've gemmed and enchanted my gear, and
>> brought my average DPS up from ~2500 to ~3500, but it doesn't seem to
>> help
>> (at least I can now get through the trash at the start).
>>
>> Another part of the problem is not fully groking the mechanics - some
>> posts
>> on wowhead suggest popping all the anvils when the final phase is
>> entered,
>> but that seems not to help.
>>
>> Any suggestions from others on the quest line?
>
> I had at _least_ 40 attempts on this boss when I did it on my mage... I
> know that as I spent exactly 2 stacks of healing pots! ^^
>
> Stay near an unused anvil or keep track of the unused and used anvils so
> you can click one when the boss casts his insanity. Watch his castbar
> as his insanity has a 5 sec cast time or such. My experience is that
> even if you click an anvil he still could cast Insanity. It happened
> rarely though, but I guess it was a latency issue.
> Kill the small add asap when it appears or it will take out your helper
> for a time in the fight. Meanwhile you have to nuke him hard even when
> youre avoiding his rain etc... Spend all your CDs at start.
> When he is about 20% or a little less you have to click the spear or
> whatever it is and throw it asap!
>
> Maybe a raid flask or two will help you. Also you may have to check
> your talents for this fight. I had to use other talents which I wasnt
> familiar with (casting while I'm on the move etc).
>
> Btw. when youre dead you have to resurrect as close as possible to the
> door so you dont automatically start the fight when you res again. That
> gives you time to heal up etc. :) If you have a warlock in the guild
> then please get three health stones from him before you enter the
> scenario again and save them for the boss. Use scrolls of
> stamina/anything, pots, whatever that will make the fight easier.
>
> Worst mini boss in history if I may be honest. I have done it on two
> chars and I wont do it again unless Blizzard nerfs him.
>


Funny thing is, he *HAS* been nerfed.. :)

I did it pre-nerf on my mage. Took about 15 attempts for me on my mage
before switching from arcane to frost and then I got him in about 5.

I walked a guildie through 3-4 weeks ago on arcane and she got it on her
3rd attempt.

The trash outside is standard. IT gets tricky inside. I only did it on
my mage, but you basically wanna stay near the the blacksmith during the
first part of charging the anvils. Try to drag the big guys over to you
so it keeps your celestial "tank' near you. Pop AoE to pull the little
guys off the blacksmith and aggro them. Any big guys that come out, hit
them and kite them around the room with the blacksmith. Basically, you
want you, Your celestial tank and the mobs standing next to the anvil
being charged, so you can pull the new ones off him to you right away...

The next part sucks...lol. But it's why I changed to frost to do it.
Constant moving, moving moving...I almost could never get a AB in arcane
off. The time it took to cast, I would be getting hit. But the
suggestions given before by others are basically it. Gotta use the
anvils to interrupt his insanity, kite him around when your tank is
"resting", and save any self heals (if your squishy) for that
time....Good suggestion for the healthstones from a gulidie Warlock -
Didn't think of that...

If you wipe a lot, and your durability is getting low and you want to
repair, keep in mind that if you leave the instance, you have to start
the whole thing over again. So one other tip is if you have a repair
mammoth, you *can* mount him after a wipe if you back yourself against
the gate after you come back in and repair... If you are very fast as
well, you can change specs if you want too, but you have to be fast, as
the fight starts right away after you rez, but it's enough time to
quickly change specs of mount your mammoth to repair...

Good Luck! :)

Peter T.

7/2/2013 9:41:00 AM

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Den 01-07-2013 13:29, IYM skrev:

> Funny thing is, he *HAS* been nerfed.. :)

Ouch! Was that long time ago? :)

> The next part sucks...lol. But it's why I changed to frost to do it.
> Constant moving, moving moving...I almost could never get a AB in arcane
> off. The time it took to cast, I would be getting hit. But the
> suggestions given before by others are basically it. Gotta use the
> anvils to interrupt his insanity, kite him around when your tank is
> "resting", and save any self heals (if your squishy) for that
> time....

I did it as arcane. Luckily I was well-geared so I did some fine
overall damage when I had the time to blast him. When I was running
around it was nether tempest, missiles and barrage. Nether tempest is
quite proc-friendly so I almost always had 1-2 missiles ready when there
was a very small break in the running. I also respecced to the talent
(cant remember the name of it) where you can cast AB while being on the
move. But the 6 secs buff is not much when you also have to avoid his
aoe, LoS etc + all the interior in the room that blocks your sight. :)

> If you wipe a lot, and your durability is getting low and you want to
> repair, keep in mind that if you leave the instance, you have to start
> the whole thing over again. So one other tip is if you have a repair
> mammoth, you *can* mount him after a wipe if you back yourself against
> the gate after you come back in and repair... If you are very fast as
> well, you can change specs if you want too, but you have to be fast, as
> the fight starts right away after you rez, but it's enough time to
> quickly change specs of mount your mammoth to repair...

If you res very close to the gate you will not start the fight before
you walk a few steps into the room.

--
Peter T.

IYM

7/2/2013 11:32:00 AM

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On 7/2/2013 5:41 AM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 01-07-2013 13:29, IYM skrev:
>
>> Funny thing is, he *HAS* been nerfed.. :)
>
> Ouch! Was that long time ago? :)

It was about 5 weeks ago if I recall, or right before 5.3 came out...

>
>> The next part sucks...lol. But it's why I changed to frost to do it.
>> Constant moving, moving moving...I almost could never get a AB in arcane
>> off. The time it took to cast, I would be getting hit. But the
>> suggestions given before by others are basically it. Gotta use the
>> anvils to interrupt his insanity, kite him around when your tank is
>> "resting", and save any self heals (if your squishy) for that
>> time....
>
> I did it as arcane. Luckily I was well-geared so I did some fine
> overall damage when I had the time to blast him. When I was running
> around it was nether tempest, missiles and barrage. Nether tempest is
> quite proc-friendly so I almost always had 1-2 missiles ready when there
> was a very small break in the running. I also respecced to the talent
> (cant remember the name of it) where you can cast AB while being on the
> move. But the 6 secs buff is not much when you also have to avoid his
> aoe, LoS etc + all the interior in the room that blocks your sight. :)

Yea, not to mention when you get to the part where your celestial tank
feels the need to sit down for a few to take a break, and you end up
kiting /running your a$$ off to survive, you also have to do it so that
your close enough to an anvil so you can hit it should he decide to cast
insanity....And the room, as you said, is *not* blink friendly. The
anvils are placed oh-so perfectly around the large center forge where
only 1, maybe 2 anvils are in los....and of course they are never the
ones that are charged when you need them to be...lol

I also changed talents as frost to get me through...I added back the
evocate talent that gave me back health, so I could sic my elemental on
him (which lasted, oh a second or two), but it was enough of a
distraction where I could evocate some health up. Every trick I knew,
I used.

It did feel good to get him though pre-nerf.... :)

petertrei

7/2/2013 12:39:00 PM

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On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:52:10 AM UTC-4, Polarhound wrote:
> From Wowhead:
>
> For any healers trying to do this, you don't need to respec for it. In
> fact, I'd argue it's even easier to do as a healer than as a dps. [...]

I also found the cited guide last night, and am finally making progress. I only tend to do 5 or six tries before I get frustrated and quit.

The key things I've found doing this as a Holy Pally are (1) Keep the Celestial Defender fully healed up, and (2) dispell his debuffs. If you do this, he can pretty easily handle the first phase around the forge, without triggering anvils. I made sure he and the Blacksmith appeared in my raid frames (Grid+Clique), which made their status easy to see, and greatly simplified casting heals on them. I Beaconed myself.

During the first run, there's enough time between when the CD turns up, and the trash appearing, to heal the CD up to max. Once there, it's relatively easy to keep him up. It's much harder/impossible to do this when restarting the final phase after a wipe. This is one of the reasons I get frustrated and quit - second and subsequent tries are at a big disadvantage.

In the final phase, I got him down to under 50% last night. I may be able to get this....

pt

IYM

7/2/2013 1:00:00 PM

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On 7/2/2013 8:38 AM, petertrei@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:52:10 AM UTC-4, Polarhound wrote:
>> From Wowhead:
>>
>> For any healers trying to do this, you don't need to respec for it. In
>> fact, I'd argue it's even easier to do as a healer than as a dps. [...]
>
> I also found the cited guide last night, and am finally making progress. I only tend to do 5 or six tries before I get frustrated and quit.
>
> The key things I've found doing this as a Holy Pally are (1) Keep the Celestial Defender fully healed up, and (2) dispell his debuffs. If you do this, he can pretty easily handle the first phase around the forge, without triggering anvils. I made sure he and the Blacksmith appeared in my raid frames (Grid+Clique), which made their status easy to see, and greatly simplified casting heals on them. I Beaconed myself.
>
> During the first run, there's enough time between when the CD turns up, and the trash appearing, to heal the CD up to max. Once there, it's relatively easy to keep him up. It's much harder/impossible to do this when restarting the final phase after a wipe. This is one of the reasons I get frustrated and quit - second and subsequent tries are at a big disadvantage.
>
> In the final phase, I got him down to under 50% last night. I may be able to get this....
>
> pt
>

My buddy had a hell of a time pre-nerf with his pally. He's
tank/heals....He tried both and said tank spec was a lost cause. He
made it through after 50+ wipes as heals...

Oh - btw to all working on this...Keep in mind that you don't actually
have to get him to 0% health...the fight stops at about 8%, when
wraithon (who has been playing around at the forge during your fight)
chimes in and says more or less that the lance is ready. This was the
part of the fight that reaaaally pissed me off on my last wipe as I had
gotten him there and could not find the lance and click it in time, and
died. Got him the next attempt.....

....at around 10% be ready for wraithon to say the lance is ready. Look
for it when he says it is, because you will have to click on it (will
have gear symbol when you mouse hover over it). When you click it,
fights over as the forged lance kills the boss....

When I downed him, the lance was finally ready and he was only a few
seconds from casting insanity, and I was out of anvils....made it
through with the skin of my teeth back then....

Catriona R

7/25/2013 12:15:00 AM

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 05:38:40 -0700 (PDT), petertrei@gmail.com wrote:

>On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:52:10 AM UTC-4, Polarhound wrote:
>> From Wowhead:
>>
>> For any healers trying to do this, you don't need to respec for it. In
>> fact, I'd argue it's even easier to do as a healer than as a dps. [...]
>
>I also found the cited guide last night, and am finally making progress. I only tend to do 5 or six tries before I get frustrated and quit.
>
>The key things I've found doing this as a Holy Pally are (1) Keep the Celestial Defender fully healed up, and (2) dispell his debuffs. If you do this, he can pretty easily handle the first phase around the forge, without triggering anvils. I made sure he and the Blacksmith appeared in my raid frames (Grid+Clique), which made their status easy to see, and greatly simplified casting heals on them. I Beaconed myself.
>
>During the first run, there's enough time between when the CD turns up, and the trash appearing, to heal the CD up to max. Once there, it's relatively easy to keep him up. It's much harder/impossible to do this when restarting the final phase after a wipe. This is one of the reasons I get frustrated and quit - second and subsequent tries are at a big disadvantage.
>
>In the final phase, I got him down to under 50% last night. I may be able to get this....

I'm probably going to sound horribly smug here... just got it on the
4th try :-O Can't believe it tbh, thought it'd take me dozens of tries
after reading the posts on ehre about it!

First try, blacksmith died in phase 2 (oops), decided trying to be
Disc and dps/Atonement heal wasn't gonna work well enough, switched to
holy and all out healing.

2nd try, died to the meteor shower (oops).

3rd try, was going alright but ran out of first mana, then anvils,
however I had him down pretty low so figured it was close and better
execution would get it (knew I'd made a few mistakes).

4th try, grabbed a spirit elixir, spam healed the defender to try to
boost his dmg as much as possible, actually remembered to use
mindbender on cd, stood right on top of the anvils (so didn't let
insanity cast get off this time) and paid enough attention to the
meteors to not need to waste much mana on myself! A bit shocked it
worked but quite pleased :-)

IYM

7/25/2013 12:08:00 PM

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On 7/24/2013 8:15 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 05:38:40 -0700 (PDT), petertrei@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:52:10 AM UTC-4, Polarhound wrote:
>>> From Wowhead:
>>>
>>> For any healers trying to do this, you don't need to respec for it. In
>>> fact, I'd argue it's even easier to do as a healer than as a dps. [...]
>>
>> I also found the cited guide last night, and am finally making progress. I only tend to do 5 or six tries before I get frustrated and quit.
>>
>> The key things I've found doing this as a Holy Pally are (1) Keep the Celestial Defender fully healed up, and (2) dispell his debuffs. If you do this, he can pretty easily handle the first phase around the forge, without triggering anvils. I made sure he and the Blacksmith appeared in my raid frames (Grid+Clique), which made their status easy to see, and greatly simplified casting heals on them. I Beaconed myself.
>>
>> During the first run, there's enough time between when the CD turns up, and the trash appearing, to heal the CD up to max. Once there, it's relatively easy to keep him up. It's much harder/impossible to do this when restarting the final phase after a wipe. This is one of the reasons I get frustrated and quit - second and subsequent tries are at a big disadvantage.
>>
>> In the final phase, I got him down to under 50% last night. I may be able to get this....
>
> I'm probably going to sound horribly smug here... just got it on the
> 4th try :-O Can't believe it tbh, thought it'd take me dozens of tries
> after reading the posts on ehre about it!
>
> First try, blacksmith died in phase 2 (oops), decided trying to be
> Disc and dps/Atonement heal wasn't gonna work well enough, switched to
> holy and all out healing.
>
> 2nd try, died to the meteor shower (oops).
>
> 3rd try, was going alright but ran out of first mana, then anvils,
> however I had him down pretty low so figured it was close and better
> execution would get it (knew I'd made a few mistakes).
>
> 4th try, grabbed a spirit elixir, spam healed the defender to try to
> boost his dmg as much as possible, actually remembered to use
> mindbender on cd, stood right on top of the anvils (so didn't let
> insanity cast get off this time) and paid enough attention to the
> meteors to not need to waste much mana on myself! A bit shocked it
> worked but quite pleased :-)
>

It's ok to be smug - Congrats!!!! :)

I will have to take some of the wind out of your sails and remind you it
was nerfed...lol. However, I ironically did it last night as well on my
resto druid and while easier, it still is not just a walk though.

I had an advantage in that it was my second toon through that, so I knew
what to expect. However, I will say that it was so much easier than
when I last did it on my mage pre-nerf. I didn't know what changes they
had done until last night, but they pretty much took the damage down by
a lot that the adds in the 2nd phase did as well as the main boss. They
also kicked down the final bosses damage and kicked up the celestial
tank damage. One big thing they did was significantly reduce the adds
on the final boss. He occasionally comes after you and there seemed to
be only one sha add to deal with each time, where there used to be about
4-5 of them you had to deal with, which took time (as a dps) away from
damage you could be doing on the boss unless they were timed to die with
an anvil strike. Now I could ignore the one pretty much. A lot had to
do with being a healer and just heal stuff. I was concerned before I
started about healing portrait style and was ecstatic that upon entering
the scenario, the shadow pan warriors and the celestial tank all
appeared as a group and were picked up by my Vuhdoo healing add-on. I
only had to specifically pick the blacksmith during that phase and
designate him what Vuhdoo calls a "private tank" and then I could heal
him as a party of three....very nice.

All in all, I got it on my second attempt. I screwed up while running
from meteor shower in that I was on the other side of the room trying to
get back to an charged anvil for insanity and didn't make it...

I almost wiped on the second attempt as just like on my mage, I was
panicking as I could not find/see the damn lance to click. I still had
one anvil left but I still was in a panic until I saw it...lol

I then got depressed in that I knew I had not seen anyone doing Nalak on
my realm in a long time. So on a whim, I went over to see if anyone was
standing around and behold! - I could not believe my eyes! The Horde
had a small group of 10 fighting him! What luck!! I went in, clicked
my lance, dragged the add through their fight, healed myself and as soon
as the add died, my lance was charged and quest complete, I got the hell
out of the area and was done. I was in total shock that I was able to
do that right away. Thought I was going to have to stake out Nalak for
a week or so until I found a group killing him....

Anyway - congrats once again!! Now onto another toon to collect Titan
stones from....erg.