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ARE YOU BORN SINNER??

arah

5/30/2008 11:22:00 AM

Ask any Christian, and they will said you are born sinner unless you
are baptised.

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death
through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not
taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned
from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did
not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the
one to come.

15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the
trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift
that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the
many! 16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's
sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the
gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by
the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how
much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and
of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus
Christ. Roman 5:12-17

But that is not what Moses teach

Deuteronomy 24:16 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children
put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.

or

Jeremiah 31:29-30 (New International Version)


29 "In those days people will no longer say,
'The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
and the children's teeth are set on edge.'

30 Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour
grapes—his own teeth will be set on edge.

and

Ezekiel 18:19-20 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)


19 "Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt of his
father?' Since the son has done what is just and right and has been
careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. 20 The soul who
sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the
father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The
righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

So are you being cheated by your church all these days?

Can you trust your church?

Good luck
11 Answers

yansimon52

5/30/2008 11:54:00 AM

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On May 30, 7:21 pm, arah <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ask any Christian, and they will said you are born sinner unless you
> are baptised.
>
> 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death
> through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
> — 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not
> taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned
> from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did
> not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the
> one to come.
>
> 15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the
> trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift
> that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the
> many! 16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's
> sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the
> gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by
> the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how
> much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and
> of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus
> Christ. Roman 5:12-17
>
> But that is not what Moses teach
>
> Deuteronomy 24:16 (New International Version)
> New International Version (NIV)
>
> 16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children
> put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.
>
> or
>
> Jeremiah 31:29-30 (New International Version)
>
> 29 "In those days people will no longer say,
> 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
> and the children's teeth are set on edge.'
>
> 30 Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour
> grapes—his own teeth will be set on edge.
>
> and
>
> Ezekiel 18:19-20 (New International Version)
> New International Version (NIV)
>
> 19 "Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt of his
> father?' Since the son has done what is just and right and has been
> careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. 20 The soul who
> sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the
> father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The
> righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
> wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
>
> So are you being cheated by your church all these days?
>
> Can you trust your church?
>
> Good luck

Halo arah.....can you send your posting to our old man.........he need
it badly.......

David G.

5/30/2008 6:13:00 PM

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On May 30, 7:21 am, arah <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ask any Christian, and they will said you are born sinner unless you
> are baptised.

Well, what if the child had been baptised before it was born?

Sheik Oilee Oleum

5/30/2008 7:21:00 PM

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David G. wrote:
> On May 30, 7:21 am, arah <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ask any Christian, and they will said you are born sinner unless you
>> are baptised.
>
> Well, what if the child had been baptised before it was born?

Which one do you believe in?

1. From birth to death?

2. From the womb to the tomb?

3. From erection to resurrection?

The Cynic

5/31/2008 2:55:00 AM

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Moron. You are another dumbo paid by Osama to cut, paste and post. Then you
disappear to avoid replying to queries because you have no brains to stand
by your messages.
Go and jump into a pig shit pool.

"arah" <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f8604961-656f-425c-85ef-0d61404c92c3@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

(all pig shit flushed with apologies to pigs)


Dirty Sick Pig

5/31/2008 3:17:00 AM

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The Cynic wrote:
> Moron. You are another dumbo paid by Osama to cut, paste and post. Then you
> disappear to avoid replying to queries because you have no brains to stand
> by your messages.
> Go and jump into a pig shit pool.
>
> "arah" <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:f8604961-656f-425c-85ef-0d61404c92c3@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> (all pig shit flushed with apologies to pigs)

Apology accepted.

Dirty Sick Pig of Islam

David G.

5/31/2008 3:30:00 AM

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On May 30, 7:02 pm, Sheik Oilee Oleum <Sheik...@OOzing.Petrol.com>
wrote:
> You'd better stay put in one spot for the rest of your life. You might
> step on living ants.

Ha, ha, ha ....:)

> > Human has one distinct character: awareness.
> > Awareness is responsibility.
>
> Not for those humans in the womb, or the live, living, human vegetables.
> Also, I will not apply this "responsibility" thing on children.

You are right. This is a question: human being without awareness and
responsibility is still a human being, right?


> If infants can be baptized, I don't see why live humans still in the
> womb can't be. Are you aware of any impediments to this? On the other
> hand, many religions will not baptize (or its equivalent) any non-adult.

I do not preach solutions, all I have are questions. My question
basically is: what is the meaning of baptism, really?

> >> Why? Is it because we're the only living being with awareness, and
> >> therefore can take responsibility?
>
> But then, again, you're forgetting those humans who cannot bear
> responsibility and should not be held accountable due to age, infirmity,
> and other constraints. They should also be baptized. Denial of
> sacraments is a serious thing.

You are right.

--
dg

Pangkor

10/1/2012 12:08:00 AM

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If you have 150Cl, 50Ca and 50Na you will get sodium calcium chloride. Two or one, the heart gets confused, and then, sudden cardiac death.

The people who probably know the best combination are those selling electrolytic drinks and those selling saline solutions.

Not an RO membrane sales executive.

TheInquirer

10/1/2012 5:55:00 AM

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On 1/10/2012 8:08 AM, Pelandok wrote:
> If you have 150Cl, 50Ca and 50Na you will get sodium calcium chloride.


do you have a 3D molecular diagram of sodium calcium chloride molecule?

how are the atoms bonded?

Is it
ironic bond,
or
cohabit bond http://bit... ,
or
mother-child bond http://bit...
or
http://bit...
or
http://youtu.be/ce...

--
I ask, becos I'm curious.

Pangkor

10/1/2012 1:07:00 PM

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On Monday, October 1, 2012 1:55:20 PM UTC+8, TheInquirer wrote:
> On 1/10/2012 8:08 AM, Pelandok wrote:
>
> > If you have 150Cl, 50Ca and 50Na you will get sodium calcium chloride.
>
>
>
>
>
> do you have a 3D molecular diagram of sodium calcium chloride molecule?
>
>
>
> how are the atoms bonded?
>
>
>
> Is it
>
> ironic bond,
>
> or
>
> cohabit bond http://bit... ,
>
> or
>
> mother-child bond http://bit...
>
> or
>
> http://bit...
>
> or
>
> http://youtu.be/ce...
>
>

It is a bond, albeit unlikely bond. Your heart wanted sodium, but you got calcium, and that probably was the trigger.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/new-york-city-marathon-runner-suffers-heart-attack/story-e6freuyi-122...

>
> --
>
> I ask, becos I'm curious.

Pangkor

10/1/2012 1:17:00 PM

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On Monday, October 1, 2012 9:07:30 PM UTC+8, Pelandok wrote:
> On Monday, October 1, 2012 1:55:20 PM UTC+8, TheInquirer wrote:
>
> > On 1/10/2012 8:08 AM, Pelandok wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > If you have 150Cl, 50Ca and 50Na you will get sodium calcium chloride.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > do you have a 3D molecular diagram of sodium calcium chloride molecule?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > how are the atoms bonded?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Is it
>
> >
>
> > ironic bond,
>
> >
>
> > or
>
> >
>
> > cohabit bond http://bit... ,
>
> >
>
> > or
>
> >
>
> > mother-child bond http://bit...
>
> >
>
> > or
>
> >
>
> > http://bit...
>
> >
>
> > or
>
> >
>
> > http://youtu.be/ce...
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
> It is a bond, albeit unlikely bond. Your heart wanted sodium, but you got calcium, and that probably was the trigger.
>
>
>
> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/new-york-city-marathon-runner-suffers-heart-attack/story-e6freuyi-122...
>

Just to show there is some link between salts and the heartbeat, and that since we are making changes in the environment through introduction of Newater laced with unknown (Na-CA) salt composition, so we ought to logically expect changes in the symptoms exhibited, e.g. in our exercising population having symptoms of SCD.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120213...

>
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> >
>
> > I ask, becos I'm curious.