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steve.kaye

10/17/2012 7:29:00 AM

Whilst questing in Krasarang Wilds last night I found the rare
Torik-Ethis with my Paladin. This is my first rare so I'm eager to
have a go. I finished the mobs that I were killing and switched to
protection spec thinking that it would be easier to complete the task
if I switch to un-killable mode.

Nobody else is around so I pull him. Shortly into the fight he casts
Blade Flurry. This seems to hit about 6 or 7 times for about 30% of
my health bar each time. Need to get out of the way of that next
time.

I do the corpse run, res and heal and pull him again. He casts Blade
Flurry and I get out of the way quickly and carry on. He casts
Windsong and I get out of the way..... nothing seems to happen so I
attack again. He casts Tornado and I get out of the way. A baby
tornado appears where I was standing and then wanders around on its
own business. I attack again. He casts Blade Flurry so I back
off...... right into a huge tornado that had been approaching from
behind. That kills me quickly!

I do the corpse run etc and surprisingly, there is still nobody around
so I pull him again. This time I pull two normal mobs into the fight
but it was still easy and I killed him. Just before he died an
Alliance DK turned up but he left me alone and clapped when I killed
him.

He dropped an ilevel 420 tanking helmet. I wish I'd not bothered to
switch specs now because that helmet had dodge and parry which I don't
want. Maybe if I'd killed him as Retribution he'd have dropped the
helmet with crit and mastery instead.

As it turned out, I didn't need to be in protection spec as he didn't
do a lot of damage apart from the two abilities that killed me anyway
so it would probably have been easier as retribution.

steve.kaye
--
Kibbs, 88 Paladin Mingan, 85 Shaman Belugar, 76 Warrior
Jelan, 85 Priest Clokk, 85 Druid Yopp, 73 Hunter
Miho, 85 Rogue Jengu, 85 Death Knight Aloola, 72 Mage
Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) Jaille, 85 Warlock Suezuha, 20 Monk
17 Answers

Catriona R

10/17/2012 10:59:00 AM

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:28:42 +0100, Steve Kaye
<nospam@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:

>Whilst questing in Krasarang Wilds last night I found the rare
>Torik-Ethis with my Paladin. This is my first rare so I'm eager to
>have a go. I finished the mobs that I were killing and switched to
>protection spec thinking that it would be easier to complete the task
>if I switch to un-killable mode.
>
>Nobody else is around so I pull him. Shortly into the fight he casts
>Blade Flurry. This seems to hit about 6 or 7 times for about 30% of
>my health bar each time. Need to get out of the way of that next
>time.
>
>I do the corpse run, res and heal and pull him again. He casts Blade
>Flurry and I get out of the way quickly and carry on. He casts
>Windsong and I get out of the way..... nothing seems to happen so I
>attack again. He casts Tornado and I get out of the way. A baby
>tornado appears where I was standing and then wanders around on its
>own business. I attack again. He casts Blade Flurry so I back
>off...... right into a huge tornado that had been approaching from
>behind. That kills me quickly!
>
>I do the corpse run etc and surprisingly, there is still nobody around
>so I pull him again. This time I pull two normal mobs into the fight
>but it was still easy and I killed him. Just before he died an
>Alliance DK turned up but he left me alone and clapped when I killed
>him.

Nice one - I'm amazed you got three shots, whenever I've found a rare,
dying once = end of my chances. Makes the learning curve pretty steep!

>He dropped an ilevel 420 tanking helmet. I wish I'd not bothered to
>switch specs now because that helmet had dodge and parry which I don't
>want. Maybe if I'd killed him as Retribution he'd have dropped the
>helmet with crit and mastery instead.

Afraid that wouldn't have made a difference, first rare I killed
dropped a useful item so I wondered if it was spec-related... but most
other rares haven't even dropped my armour type! Best was the one I
grouped with two mages to kill (on my priest) and it dropped leather
lol. It's just luck I think.

>As it turned out, I didn't need to be in protection spec as he didn't
>do a lot of damage apart from the two abilities that killed me anyway
>so it would probably have been easier as retribution.

Yeah it's those abilities that are the tough part, most the rares are
like that, couple of nasty abilities and everything else is fine.

Urbin

10/17/2012 11:43:00 AM

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:59:24 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:28:42 +0100, Steve Kaye
> <nospam@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >He dropped an ilevel 420 tanking helmet. I wish I'd not bothered to
> >switch specs now because that helmet had dodge and parry which I don't
> >want. Maybe if I'd killed him as Retribution he'd have dropped the
> >helmet with crit and mastery instead.
>
> Afraid that wouldn't have made a difference, first rare I killed
> dropped a useful item so I wondered if it was spec-related... but most
> other rares haven't even dropped my armour type! Best was the one I
> grouped with two mages to kill (on my priest) and it dropped leather
> lol. It's just luck I think.

I agree, it seems it is totally random what they drop. I've had some of them
drop nothing but coin, others dropped items (mostly blue). I've seen all
armour types dropped and a wild mix of stats. Luckily, the one time a rare
dropped something epic, it was a crossbow which was an excellent upgrade for
my hunter. The rest of the drops were just "vendor-rares" (I find it hard to
call a blue iLvl440 item "trash" :-)

Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Tunyatgong (12), Monk | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (90), Hunter | Surana (75), Mage | Greeta (65), Rogue
Mymule (85), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (81), Priest | Taalas (85), Shaman | Vargal (42), Warrior

steve.kaye

10/17/2012 11:55:00 AM

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On 17 Oct 2012 11:43:21 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:59:24 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:28:42 +0100, Steve Kaye
>> <nospam@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >He dropped an ilevel 420 tanking helmet. I wish I'd not bothered to
>> >switch specs now because that helmet had dodge and parry which I don't
>> >want. Maybe if I'd killed him as Retribution he'd have dropped the
>> >helmet with crit and mastery instead.
>>
>> Afraid that wouldn't have made a difference, first rare I killed
>> dropped a useful item so I wondered if it was spec-related... but most
>> other rares haven't even dropped my armour type! Best was the one I
>> grouped with two mages to kill (on my priest) and it dropped leather
>> lol. It's just luck I think.
>
>I agree, it seems it is totally random what they drop. I've had some of them
>drop nothing but coin, others dropped items (mostly blue). I've seen all
>armour types dropped and a wild mix of stats.

>Luckily, the one time a rare
>dropped something epic, it was a crossbow which was an excellent upgrade for
>my hunter.

That's why I thought that they were spec related. You got a relevant
drop and I got one that was relevant to my spec so I thought that it
was more than the coincidence that it turned out to be.


>The rest of the drops were just "vendor-rares" (I find it hard to
>call a blue iLvl440 item "trash" :-)

:)

steve.kaye
--
Kibbs, 88 Paladin Mingan, 85 Shaman Belugar, 76 Warrior
Jelan, 85 Priest Clokk, 85 Druid Yopp, 73 Hunter
Miho, 85 Rogue Jengu, 85 Death Knight Aloola, 72 Mage
Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) Jaille, 85 Warlock Suezuha, 20 Monk

steve.kaye

10/17/2012 11:57:00 AM

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:59:24 +0100, Catriona R
<catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>
>On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:28:42 +0100, Steve Kaye
><nospam@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Whilst questing in Krasarang Wilds last night I found the rare
>>Torik-Ethis with my Paladin. This is my first rare so I'm eager to
>>have a go. I finished the mobs that I were killing and switched to
>>protection spec thinking that it would be easier to complete the task
>>if I switch to un-killable mode.
>>
>>Nobody else is around so I pull him. Shortly into the fight he casts
>>Blade Flurry. This seems to hit about 6 or 7 times for about 30% of
>>my health bar each time. Need to get out of the way of that next
>>time.
>>
>>I do the corpse run, res and heal and pull him again. He casts Blade
>>Flurry and I get out of the way quickly and carry on. He casts
>>Windsong and I get out of the way..... nothing seems to happen so I
>>attack again. He casts Tornado and I get out of the way. A baby
>>tornado appears where I was standing and then wanders around on its
>>own business. I attack again. He casts Blade Flurry so I back
>>off...... right into a huge tornado that had been approaching from
>>behind. That kills me quickly!
>>
>>I do the corpse run etc and surprisingly, there is still nobody around
>>so I pull him again. This time I pull two normal mobs into the fight
>>but it was still easy and I killed him. Just before he died an
>>Alliance DK turned up but he left me alone and clapped when I killed
>>him.
>
>Nice one - I'm amazed you got three shots, whenever I've found a rare,
>dying once = end of my chances. Makes the learning curve pretty steep!

Yeah, I was surprised that I got the first go as it was a while
between my spotting it and getting to it. I had to kill the mobs that
I was fighting, switch spec, buff and eat before getting to him.


>>He dropped an ilevel 420 tanking helmet. I wish I'd not bothered to
>>switch specs now because that helmet had dodge and parry which I don't
>>want. Maybe if I'd killed him as Retribution he'd have dropped the
>>helmet with crit and mastery instead.
>
>Afraid that wouldn't have made a difference, first rare I killed
>dropped a useful item so I wondered if it was spec-related... but most
>other rares haven't even dropped my armour type! Best was the one I
>grouped with two mages to kill (on my priest) and it dropped leather
>lol. It's just luck I think.

Ah, I don't feel so bad now. :)

steve.kaye
--
Kibbs, 88 Paladin Mingan, 85 Shaman Belugar, 76 Warrior
Jelan, 85 Priest Clokk, 85 Druid Yopp, 73 Hunter
Miho, 85 Rogue Jengu, 85 Death Knight Aloola, 72 Mage
Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) Jaille, 85 Warlock Suezuha, 20 Monk

Jim G.

12/11/2013 11:03:00 PM

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BTR1701 sent the following on 12/10/2013 8:23 PM:
> In article <l88gj7$n4l$16@dont-email.me>,
> "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> JRStern sent the following on 12/6/2013 6:31 PM:
>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:51:52 -0800, "Barb May"
>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JRStern wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:08:38 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <l7r2f1$r2q$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> "Barb May" <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When it comes to racial slurs intent doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, it does and would to anyone sane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Claiming a racial slur is not a racial slur because they mean no
>>>>>> harm is a sign of ignorance, not sanity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would anyone slur their own team?
>>>>>
>>>>> J.
>>>>
>>>> In a word = ignorance
>>>>
>>>> I don't doubt the sincerity of those who believe redskins honors
>>>> American Indians, but they are wrong.
>>>
>>> Well, I say they are right.
>>
>> "Barb May" needs to get in touch with those WWII code talkers who showed
>> up at a Redskins game in Redskins gear the other week after being in
>> Washington to be honored for their work during the war. I'm sure that
>> they would appreciate her explaining to them what they should and
>> shouldn't find offensive. Perhaps she can teach them about their own
>> heritage while she's at it, since she's clearly more informed about
>> their history than they are:
>
> "Barb May", like most elitist liberals, believe she knows better how
> people should live their lives than they themselves do.

Yep. It's the burden that The Truly Enlightened must bear when dealing
with us unwashed types. Including unwashed Native Americans, apparently.

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"You know who wears sunglasses inside? Blind people. And douchebags." --
Dean Winchester, SUPERNATURAL

Jim G.

12/11/2013 11:03:00 PM

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trotsky sent the following on 12/11/2013 5:37 AM:
> On 12/10/13 8:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <l88gj7$n4l$16@dont-email.me>,
>> "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> JRStern sent the following on 12/6/2013 6:31 PM:
>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:51:52 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> JRStern wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:08:38 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <l7r2f1$r2q$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> "Barb May" <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When it comes to racial slurs intent doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, it does and would to anyone sane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Claiming a racial slur is not a racial slur because they mean no
>>>>>>> harm is a sign of ignorance, not sanity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would anyone slur their own team?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a word = ignorance
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't doubt the sincerity of those who believe redskins honors
>>>>> American Indians, but they are wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I say they are right.
>>>
>>> "Barb May" needs to get in touch with those WWII code talkers who showed
>>> up at a Redskins game in Redskins gear the other week after being in
>>> Washington to be honored for their work during the war. I'm sure that
>>> they would appreciate her explaining to them what they should and
>>> shouldn't find offensive. Perhaps she can teach them about their own
>>> heritage while she's at it, since she's clearly more informed about
>>> their history than they are:
>>
>> "Barb May", like most elitist liberals, believe she knows better how
>> people should live their lives than they themselves do.
>
>
> Are you really pretending to understand what the fuck Jimji is trying to
> say? "Get in touch with WWII code talkers?" Just when I thought people
> couldn't get any more fucked up, he comes up with this gem.

Which part of the concept are you struggling with? Please be specific.

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"You know who wears sunglasses inside? Blind people. And douchebags." --
Dean Winchester, SUPERNATURAL

Jim G.

12/11/2013 11:04:00 PM

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Barb May sent the following on 12/11/2013 11:27 AM:
> BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <l88gj7$n4l$16@dont-email.me>,
>> "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> JRStern sent the following on 12/6/2013 6:31 PM:
>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:51:52 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> JRStern wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:08:38 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <l7r2f1$r2q$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> "Barb May" <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When it comes to racial slurs intent doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, it does and would to anyone sane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Claiming a racial slur is not a racial slur because they mean no
>>>>>>> harm is a sign of ignorance, not sanity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would anyone slur their own team?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a word = ignorance
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't doubt the sincerity of those who believe redskins honors
>>>>> American Indians, but they are wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I say they are right.
>>>
>>> "Barb May" needs to get in touch with those WWII code talkers who
>>> showed up at a Redskins game in Redskins gear the other week after
>>> being in Washington to be honored for their work during the war. I'm
>>> sure that they would appreciate her explaining to them what they
>>> should and shouldn't find offensive. Perhaps she can teach them
>>> about their own heritage while she's at it, since she's clearly more
>>> informed about their history than they are:
>>
>> "Barb May", like most elitist liberals, believe she knows better how
>> people should live their lives than they themselves do.
>
> Unlike you two, I know that all American Indians are not the same and
> they don't think the same, you can't treat American Indians as one
> monolithic group, and you can't decide that something is not offensive
> to all Indians just because some say they are not offended.

But *you* can call some of them "ignorant" and "wrong" when they don't
agree with you, which means that *you* are deciding that something *is*
(or should be) offensive to all Indians. Because it's *totally*
different when *you* do it. Or something.

> As for your ridiculous claim: This is not about telling all American
> Indians what they should find offensive. This is about being respectful
> to all American Indians, including those who do find Redskins offensive,
> because a very significant number, including Cherokee, Comanche, Oneida
> and Seminole tribes, as well as the National Congress of American
> Indians, the largest intertribal organization, which represents more
> than 250 groups with a combined enrollment of 1.2 million, do find the
> use of "Redskins" offensive.
>
> And FYI, there is a concept called "internalized oppression" that
> explains why many American Indians don't see a problem with the redskins
> name.
>
> Read and learn:
>
> http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/11/19/dousing-pocahottie-...
> "...internalized oppression among Native Peoples is heavily documented
> due to the overwhelming effects of colonization and intergenerational
> trauma-alcoholism, domestic violence, suicide, drug abuse, etc. But
> internalized oppression also manifests as a colonized mind-one that sees
> no issue in cultural appropriation or using stereotypical caricatures
> that denigrate our cultures, and therefore, has assimilated into a
> mindset of individualism and dishonor for traditional ways and lack of
> community."
>
> Internalized Oppression among. American Indians
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~asmfc/18.2p...
>
> Internalized Oppression: The Psychology of Marginalized Groups
> http://books.google.com/books?id=ZDkzAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=internalized+oppression+indians&source=bl&ots=K1gXYdbkS5&sig=LQoI9TZuDEeuMzMHlZ2lixZX47o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RZmoUuTWGM3coAS56oDoAQ&ved=0CF8Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=internalized%20oppression%20indians&a...
>
>
>
> Clearly, you and your pal Jim aren't very knowledgeable about this
> issue.

I know enough to recognize when some dudes are having a good time at a
football game while showing no signs of "internalized oppression." But
yeah, you keep reading opinions and theories instead of dealing with
objective reality. Because that always works out so well.

> Instead of ridiculing things you don't understand perhaps you
> should avoid making additional public displays of your ignorance.

Fortunately we have someone intelligent like you to decide for all of us
what is "ignorant" and "wrong" in subjective realms. Because that's all
kinds of awesome.

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"You know who wears sunglasses inside? Blind people. And douchebags." --
Dean Winchester, SUPERNATURAL

Barb May

12/12/2013 12:08:00 AM

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Jim G. wrote:
> Barb May sent the following on 12/11/2013 11:27 AM:
>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <l88gj7$n4l$16@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JRStern sent the following on 12/6/2013 6:31 PM:
>>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:51:52 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> JRStern wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:08:38 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <l7r2f1$r2q$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> "Barb May" <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to racial slurs intent doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, it does and would to anyone sane.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Claiming a racial slur is not a racial slur because they mean
>>>>>>>> no harm is a sign of ignorance, not sanity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would anyone slur their own team?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a word = ignorance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't doubt the sincerity of those who believe redskins honors
>>>>>> American Indians, but they are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I say they are right.
>>>>
>>>> "Barb May" needs to get in touch with those WWII code talkers who
>>>> showed up at a Redskins game in Redskins gear the other week after
>>>> being in Washington to be honored for their work during the war.
>>>> I'm sure that they would appreciate her explaining to them what
>>>> they should and shouldn't find offensive. Perhaps she can teach
>>>> them about their own heritage while she's at it, since she's
>>>> clearly more informed about their history than they are:
>>>
>>> "Barb May", like most elitist liberals, believe she knows better how
>>> people should live their lives than they themselves do.
>>
>> Unlike you two, I know that all American Indians are not the same and
>> they don't think the same, you can't treat American Indians as one
>> monolithic group, and you can't decide that something is not
>> offensive to all Indians just because some say they are not offended.
>
> But *you* can call some of them "ignorant" and "wrong" when they don't
> agree with you, which means that *you* are deciding that something
> *is* (or should be) offensive to all Indians. Because it's *totally*
> different when *you* do it. Or something.

Can you quote where I said Indians who don't find redskins offensive are
"ignorant" and "wrong"?

No, you can't because I didn't say that.

Can you quote where I said redskins should be offensive to all Indians?

No, you can't because I didn't say that.

Do you think you can "win" a debate by putting words in my mouth?

No, you can't.
--
Barb


Barb May

12/12/2013 12:08:00 AM

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BTR1701 wrote:
> On Dec 11 2013 9:27 AM, Barb May wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <l88gj7$n4l$16@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JRStern sent the following on 12/6/2013 6:31 PM:
>>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:51:52 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> JRStern wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:08:38 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <l7r2f1$r2q$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> "Barb May" <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to racial slurs intent doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, it does and would to anyone sane.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Claiming a racial slur is not a racial slur because they mean
>>>>>>>> no harm is a sign of ignorance, not sanity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would anyone slur their own team?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a word = ignorance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't doubt the sincerity of those who believe redskins honors
>>>>>> American Indians, but they are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I say they are right.
>>>>
>>>> "Barb May" needs to get in touch with those WWII code talkers who
>>>> showed up at a Redskins game in Redskins gear the other week after
>>>> being in Washington to be honored for their work during the war.
>>>> I'm sure that they would appreciate her explaining to them what
>>>> they should and shouldn't find offensive. Perhaps she can teach
>>>> them about their own heritage while she's at it, since she's
>>>> clearly more informed about their history than they are:
>>>
>>> "Barb May", like most elitist liberals, believe she knows better how
>>> people should live their lives than they themselves do.
>>
>> Unlike you two, I know that all American Indians are not the same and
>> they don't think the same, you can't treat American Indians as one
>> monolithic group, and you can't decide that something is not
>> offensive to all Indians just because some say they are not offended.
>>
>> As for your ridiculous claim: This is not about telling all American
>> Indians what they should find offensive. This is about being
>> respectful to all American Indians, including those who do find
>> Redskins offensive, because a very significant number, including
>> Cherokee, Comanche, Oneida and Seminole tribes, as well as the
>> National Congress of American Indians, the largest intertribal
>> organization, which represents more than 250 groups with a combined
>> enrollment of 1.2 million, do find the use of "Redskins" offensive.
>>
>> And FYI, there is a concept called "internalized oppression" that
>> explains why many American Indians don't see a problem with the
>> redskins name.
>
> And there it is. You just proved my point. Your stance is basically,
> "Lots of Indians are offended, and those that aren't just don't know
> any better.


Nope.

Read up on "internalized oppression" before you presume to characterize
it as someone knowing something that someone else doesn't know.

--
Barb


Barb May

12/12/2013 12:09:00 AM

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Jim G. wrote:
> BTR1701 sent the following on 12/10/2013 8:23 PM:
>> In article <l88gj7$n4l$16@dont-email.me>,
>> "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> JRStern sent the following on 12/6/2013 6:31 PM:
>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:51:52 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> JRStern wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:08:38 -0800, "Barb May"
>>>>>> <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <l7r2f1$r2q$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> "Barb May" <barbmay@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When it comes to racial slurs intent doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, it does and would to anyone sane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Claiming a racial slur is not a racial slur because they mean no
>>>>>>> harm is a sign of ignorance, not sanity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would anyone slur their own team?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a word = ignorance
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't doubt the sincerity of those who believe redskins honors
>>>>> American Indians, but they are wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I say they are right.
>>>
>>> "Barb May" needs to get in touch with those WWII code talkers who
>>> showed up at a Redskins game in Redskins gear the other week after
>>> being in Washington to be honored for their work during the war.
>>> I'm sure that they would appreciate her explaining to them what
>>> they should and shouldn't find offensive. Perhaps she can teach
>>> them about their own heritage while she's at it, since she's
>>> clearly more informed about their history than they are:
>>
>> "Barb May", like most elitist liberals, believe she knows better how
>> people should live their lives than they themselves do.
>
> Yep. It's the burden that The Truly Enlightened must bear when dealing
> with us unwashed types. Including unwashed Native Americans,
> apparently.

Your ignorance is no burden to me. However it is a burden to you.
--
Barb