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Deathwing, you better watch out!

Urbin

9/8/2012 9:32:00 PM

So, tonight I first did a normal random dungeon (gave the most JP: 150),
then three random twilights (got to escort Thrall for the first time). Got
lucky on drops (chest, waist and back) and then with 1800+ JP replaced my
333 boots with 397 ones which was exactly enough to get to iLvl 372. Yay.

I quickly checked, average queueing times for deathwing are 22minutes, so
I'll give that a go tomorrow. A few more JP and I'll replace my 333 pants
with 378 ones. That will leave me all in purples of iLvl 359, 378 and 397.
Hard to believe, thinking back to vanilla, where I didn't get to see
anything other than 5-mans for months and where my first ever epic was the
darkmoon amulet which meant dropping herbalism for skinning, then mining,
then reskilling herbalism and having my guildies make tons and tons of
crafted stuff out of the leather and ore :-)

Now, off to bed.

Happy greetings
Epic Urbin ;-)

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17 Answers

Catriona R

9/9/2012 12:27:00 AM

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On 8 Sep 2012 21:31:52 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>So, tonight I first did a normal random dungeon (gave the most JP: 150),
>then three random twilights (got to escort Thrall for the first time). Got
>lucky on drops (chest, waist and back) and then with 1800+ JP replaced my
>333 boots with 397 ones which was exactly enough to get to iLvl 372. Yay.

Nice one, that was fast! :-)

>I quickly checked, average queueing times for deathwing are 22minutes, so
>I'll give that a go tomorrow. A few more JP and I'll replace my 333 pants
>with 378 ones. That will leave me all in purples of iLvl 359, 378 and 397.
>Hard to believe, thinking back to vanilla, where I didn't get to see
>anything other than 5-mans for months and where my first ever epic was the
>darkmoon amulet which meant dropping herbalism for skinning, then mining,
>then reskilling herbalism and having my guildies make tons and tons of
>crafted stuff out of the leather and ore :-)

Lol yeah, that was my first epic too :-) How things change, although,
I'm glad that the 5-mans are set up in a way which allows players to
catch up to current content nowadays, it's a good system.

Good luck in Dragon Soul, hope it goes well! Most parts are fairly
simple to understand, just see what others are doing and copy them is
easiest :-)

Catriona R

9/9/2012 6:24:00 PM

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On 8 Sep 2012 21:31:52 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>I quickly checked, average queueing times for deathwing are 22minutes, so
>I'll give that a go tomorrow.

Hope your attempt at Dragon Soul goes well! I've just had my first
ever go at it as dps, my druid finally hit the required ilvl the other
day. Now, I've never played as catform dps on anything other than
holiday bosses, and I didn't know a thing about the dps side of the
raid (hey, I spend all my time staring at healthbars usually ;-)), so
I reckon I did alright, my dps was painfully low (cat aoe is terrible,
not enough energy to do anything, unless I'm seriously missing
something..), but I didn't do anything stupid or die and didn't get
bitched at for too low dps, so I wasn't totally hopeless ;-)

Of course, nothing useful dropped for me, and given my low dps I
probably won't do the 2nd half of it, I'm only barely up to standard
for the first half I think... though who knows, maybe I will try,
we'll see!

Urbin

9/11/2012 8:54:00 PM

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On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 01:27:27 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On 8 Sep 2012 21:31:52 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >So, tonight I first did a normal random dungeon (gave the most JP: 150),
> >then three random twilights (got to escort Thrall for the first time). Got
> >lucky on drops (chest, waist and back) and then with 1800+ JP replaced my
> >333 boots with 397 ones which was exactly enough to get to iLvl 372. Yay.
>
> Nice one, that was fast! :-)
>
> Good luck in Dragon Soul, hope it goes well! Most parts are fairly
> simple to understand, just see what others are doing and copy them is
> easiest :-)

Well, I queued on sunday night and wanted to do the darkmoon dailies while
waiting only to notice that the faire had ended on saturday (I should have
known, but forgot). While I was still debating what to do instead, the raid
window popped up (after less than 3 minutes in the queue) telling me I could
enter a raid that had 3 bosses down. So I clicked "join" and found myself in
a group of 23 ready to kill deathwing. I had no clue what was going to
happen but figured it out pretty fast (now I know what you mean with "it's
tuned down to allow for mistakes (and dumbassery and low dps and the state
of the world) :-) Basically we shot at the wing tentacles, some at the
front, some at the back (haven't quite figured out what determines the
order), then jumped to the next island (that took a bit of courage the first
time), rinse and repeat. At the end a bit of zerging of deathwing. I ignored
everything that appeared on the islands (bubbling lave, elementals, whatnot)
as everyone else seemed to do so as well. Within a few minutes I had killed
deathwing. Very anticlimactic, I have to say. Got 25 gold and 300 JP. Didn't
get the achievment as I was missing the first three bosses, so I requeued
but after about 20 minutes there was still no estimate how long the queue
was going to be so I logged off and played some diablo instead :-)

I'll try to requeue to see the first three bosses as well and I plan to
queue for the other raid (Wyrmrest) to see that once, but hontestly, that
zerg with 24 others, so much going on, not really understanding what happens
and it being over so quickly, I don't see myself going back once I have the
achievments for the gear (why would I need the gear, I can kill Deathwing
with what I have now :-)

Anyway, I just thought I'd let you know I did it...

Cheers
Urbin

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Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (75), Mage | Greeta (65), Rogue
Mymule (85), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (81), Priest | Taalas (85), Shaman | Vargal (42), Warrior

Catriona R

9/11/2012 10:02:00 PM

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On 11 Sep 2012 20:53:34 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Well, I queued on sunday night and wanted to do the darkmoon dailies while
>waiting only to notice that the faire had ended on saturday (I should have
>known, but forgot). While I was still debating what to do instead, the raid
>window popped up (after less than 3 minutes in the queue) telling me I could
>enter a raid that had 3 bosses down. So I clicked "join" and found myself in
>a group of 23 ready to kill deathwing. I had no clue what was going to
>happen but figured it out pretty fast (now I know what you mean with "it's
>tuned down to allow for mistakes (and dumbassery and low dps and the state
>of the world) :-)

Hehe yep, it *is* possible to wipe, but you can easily get by with a
few people who don't know what they're doing/are afk.

>Basically we shot at the wing tentacles, some at the
>front, some at the back (haven't quite figured out what determines the
>order)

The claw is the main objective, the mutated corruption that appears
behind you just after you start attacking the claw is priority though,
because it's attacking the dragon aspects, and if you let them die,
you fail and it resets, or something like that. So those things first,
then the claw (and aoe any adds that spawn around the claw)

>, then jumped to the next island (that took a bit of courage the first
>time),

Hah yeah, still scares me a bit :-D

>rinse and repeat. At the end a bit of zerging of deathwing. I ignored
>everything that appeared on the islands (bubbling lave, elementals, whatnot)
>as everyone else seemed to do so as well. Within a few minutes I had killed
>deathwing. Very anticlimactic, I have to say. Got 25 gold and 300 JP. Didn't
>get the achievment as I was missing the first three bosses, so I requeued
>but after about 20 minutes there was still no estimate how long the queue
>was going to be so I logged off and played some diablo instead :-)

Yeah it is a bit anticlimactic I agree, tbh the earlier fights are
more impressive than that one. A shame you missed the 3rd fight in
there, where you're on Deathwing's back - it's perhaps not the most
amazing actual *fight* but it sure is cool to be riding around on the
back of this dragon!

>I'll try to requeue to see the first three bosses as well and I plan to
>queue for the other raid (Wyrmrest) to see that once, but hontestly, that
>zerg with 24 others, so much going on, not really understanding what happens
>and it being over so quickly, I don't see myself going back once I have the
>achievments for the gear (why would I need the gear, I can kill Deathwing
>with what I have now :-)

Hehe you started at the end, I'm not sure why it defaults to Fall of
Deathwing first, but Siege of Wyrmrest is the first half of the raid
lol :-)

Urbin

9/12/2012 7:22:00 AM

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:01:47 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
> Urbin wrote:
>
> >Basically we shot at the wing tentacles, some at the
> >front, some at the back (haven't quite figured out what determines the
> >order)
>
> The claw is the main objective, the mutated corruption that appears
> behind you just after you start attacking the claw is priority though,
> because it's attacking the dragon aspects, and if you let them die,
> you fail and it resets, or something like that. So those things first,
> then the claw (and aoe any adds that spawn around the claw)

Ah thanks. That is what we did (and I figured out I needed to switch to the
ones behind us after a while), I just didn't know why. Next time I'll have a
go at him I can be the raid leader ;-)

> >I'll try to requeue to see the first three bosses as well and I plan to
> >queue for the other raid (Wyrmrest) to see that once, but hontestly, that
> >zerg with 24 others, so much going on, not really understanding what happens
> >and it being over so quickly, I don't see myself going back once I have the
> >achievments for the gear (why would I need the gear, I can kill Deathwing
> >with what I have now :-)
>
> Hehe you started at the end, I'm not sure why it defaults to Fall of
> Deathwing first, but Siege of Wyrmrest is the first half of the raid
> lol :-)

Actually, I had to choose one of the two raids, at the time I didn't know a
thing so I chose to have a go at deathwing. I thought I'd get to read up on
the raid while queueing, only the queue was so short I had no chance. Only
after the fight did I learn that I got it the wrong way round :)

Cheers
Urbin, not a Kingslayer but a Dragonkiller :-)
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Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (75), Mage | Greeta (65), Rogue
Mymule (85), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (81), Priest | Taalas (85), Shaman | Vargal (42), Warrior

IYM

9/12/2012 11:26:00 AM

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On 9/12/2012 3:22 AM, Urbin wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:01:47 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
>> Urbin wrote:
>>
>>> Basically we shot at the wing tentacles, some at the
>>> front, some at the back (haven't quite figured out what determines the
>>> order)
>> The claw is the main objective, the mutated corruption that appears
>> behind you just after you start attacking the claw is priority though,
>> because it's attacking the dragon aspects, and if you let them die,
>> you fail and it resets, or something like that. So those things first,
>> then the claw (and aoe any adds that spawn around the claw)
> Ah thanks. That is what we did (and I figured out I needed to switch to the
> ones behind us after a while), I just didn't know why. Next time I'll have a
> go at him I can be the raid leader ;-)
>
>>> I'll try to requeue to see the first three bosses as well and I plan to
>>> queue for the other raid (Wyrmrest) to see that once, but hontestly, that
>>> zerg with 24 others, so much going on, not really understanding what happens
>>> and it being over so quickly, I don't see myself going back once I have the
>>> achievments for the gear (why would I need the gear, I can kill Deathwing
>>> with what I have now :-)
>> Hehe you started at the end, I'm not sure why it defaults to Fall of
>> Deathwing first, but Siege of Wyrmrest is the first half of the raid
>> lol :-)
> Actually, I had to choose one of the two raids, at the time I didn't know a
> thing so I chose to have a go at deathwing. I thought I'd get to read up on
> the raid while queueing, only the queue was so short I had no chance. Only
> after the fight did I learn that I got it the wrong way round :)
>
> Cheers
> Urbin, not a Kingslayer but a Dragonkiller :-)

And to be honest, your coming to the party late :) As Catronia said,
you can get by if most of the raid knows what they are doing to make up
for the people who don't. You also came in on the last boss. That's
like calling a mystery movie "anti-climatic" because you you came into
the theater and sat down just as the detective made his deduction that
"The butler did it". You have seven bosses prior to DW you missed...
lol....And if you wanted the excitement of killing him, you should have
seen it 10 months ago when nobody was uber geared and you couldn't over
compensate for players not knowing.... Of course, doing it now like you
are, you don't have to endure the endless bitching and moaning in raid
chat, booting of players, rage quits, standing around waiting for
healers and tanks, arguments of who ninja'd what gear, How unfair Druids
are because they could need on Tank, Healer, Ranged and Melee gear,
etc... :)

Since it's a real joke of a walk-thru now (esp since the patch), you
ought to start at the beginning, listen and enjoy the dialog and
cinematic cut scenes for the first time without feeling like you 'have'
to 'esc' out of them.... :)

Catriona R

9/12/2012 12:12:00 PM

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On 12 Sep 2012 07:22:20 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:01:47 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
>> Urbin wrote:
>>
>> >Basically we shot at the wing tentacles, some at the
>> >front, some at the back (haven't quite figured out what determines the
>> >order)
>>
>> The claw is the main objective, the mutated corruption that appears
>> behind you just after you start attacking the claw is priority though,
>> because it's attacking the dragon aspects, and if you let them die,
>> you fail and it resets, or something like that. So those things first,
>> then the claw (and aoe any adds that spawn around the claw)
>
>Ah thanks. That is what we did (and I figured out I needed to switch to the
>ones behind us after a while), I just didn't know why. Next time I'll have a
>go at him I can be the raid leader ;-)

Hehe :-) I found out why first time I went there, as we did not dps
the corruption... lol :-) You're not likely to hit a group that
doesn't know about that this late in though!

petertrei

9/12/2012 12:55:00 PM

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On Sep 12, 7:20 am, IŸ? <nore...@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
> On 9/12/2012 3:22 AM, Urbin wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:01:47 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
> >> Urbin wrote:
>
> >>> Basically we shot at the wing tentacles, some at the
> >>> front, some at the back (haven't quite figured out what determines the
> >>> order)
> >>   The claw is the main objective, the mutated corruption that appears
> >>   behind you just after you start attacking the claw is priority though,
> >>   because it's attacking the dragon aspects, and if you let them die,
> >>   you fail and it resets, or something like that. So those things first,
> >>   then the claw (and aoe any adds that spawn around the claw)
> > Ah thanks. That is what we did (and I figured out I needed to switch to the
> > ones behind us after a while), I just didn't know why. Next time I'll have a
> > go at him I can be the raid leader ;-)
>
> >>> I'll try to requeue to see the first three bosses as well and I plan to
> >>> queue for the other raid (Wyrmrest) to see that once, but hontestly, that
> >>> zerg with 24 others, so much going on, not really understanding what happens
> >>> and it being over so quickly, I don't see myself going back once I have the
> >>> achievments for the gear (why would I need the gear, I can kill Deathwing
> >>> with what I have now :-)
> >>   Hehe you started at the end, I'm not sure why it defaults to Fall of
> >>   Deathwing first, but Siege of Wyrmrest is the first half of the raid
> >>   lol :-)
> > Actually, I had to choose one of the two raids, at the time I didn't know a
> > thing so I chose to have a go at deathwing. I thought I'd get to read up on
> > the raid while queueing, only the queue was so short I had no chance. Only
> > after the fight did I learn that I got it the wrong way round :)
>
> > Cheers
> > Urbin, not a Kingslayer but a Dragonkiller :-)
>
> And to be honest, your coming to the party late  :)    As Catronia said,
> you can get by if most of the raid knows what they are doing to make up
> for the people who don't.   You also came in on the last boss.   That's
> like calling a mystery movie "anti-climatic" because you you came into
> the theater and sat down just as the detective made his deduction that
> "The butler did it".  You have seven bosses prior to DW you missed...
> lol....And if you wanted the excitement of killing him, you should have
> seen it 10 months ago when nobody was uber geared and you couldn't over
> compensate for players not knowing.... Of course, doing it now like you
> are, you don't have  to endure the endless bitching and moaning in raid
> chat, booting of players, rage quits, standing around waiting for
> healers and tanks, arguments of who ninja'd what gear, How unfair Druids
> are because they could need on Tank, Healer, Ranged and Melee gear,
> etc...  :)
>
> Since it's a real joke of a walk-thru now (esp since the patch), you
> ought to start at the beginning, listen and enjoy the dialog and
> cinematic cut scenes for the first time without feeling like you 'have'
> to 'esc' out of them....  :)

I actually find that running DS in LFR has gotten harder.

At the start, the only people running LFR might have been undergeared,
but they were generally pretty experienced. It was hard, but doable.

After a 2-3 months, the same experienced players were running LFR DS,
but they'd gotten better geared. It was a cakewalk.

Now, the experienced players are fully geared up, from both drops and
valor gear. DS provides nothing worth getting, so they've dropped out.
The players now in LFR are mostly newer to it, and not as experienced
(no offense). Its gotten harder again, with a lot more wipes due to
people not knowing what they're doing.

pt

Catriona R

9/12/2012 1:01:00 PM

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:54:47 -0700 (PDT), Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>I actually find that running DS in LFR has gotten harder.
>
>At the start, the only people running LFR might have been undergeared,
>but they were generally pretty experienced. It was hard, but doable.
>
>After a 2-3 months, the same experienced players were running LFR DS,
>but they'd gotten better geared. It was a cakewalk.
>
>Now, the experienced players are fully geared up, from both drops and
>valor gear. DS provides nothing worth getting, so they've dropped out.
>The players now in LFR are mostly newer to it, and not as experienced
>(no offense). Its gotten harder again, with a lot more wipes due to
>people not knowing what they're doing.

I'm inclined to agree, I hadn't run it for some weeks but the runs I
did this week, we had a *lot* more deaths and even wipes than when I
was running a few months back.

Although I suspect there's also a bunch of lazy players who expect to
be carried now, too, since I should not be a country mile ahead of
other healers when I'm having my very first attempt at a whole new way
of healing... I'm doing my learning in LFR with the thought that *I*
could be carried if I screw up, yet I'm still one of those doing the
carrying, even while screwing up frequently... :-/

Urbin

9/12/2012 9:16:00 PM

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:26:26 -0400, =?UTF-8?B?xKrFuM+6?= wrote:
>
> And to be honest, your coming to the party late :)

Oh, absolutely. And my comment was not meant as a complaint, it was more a
humorous statement about what you so nicely summed up in your post. The fact
the me - the absolute non-raider - can just reactivate his account after a
14 month hiatus and after three nights of random heroics kill the final boss
of the expansion is a cool thing (I get to see the culmination of the
expansion (I never managed that for Vanilla (saw them later), BC (still
haven't seen all of those raids), Wrath (never saw the Lich King, let alone
slain him))) and at the same time a strange thing.

> As Catronia said, you can get by if most of the raid knows what they are
> doing to make up for the people who don't.

Absolutely. I did 26k dps, there was only one other person doing worse (19k
dps), the next up the chain did some 42k and the best did 69k . There
probably still is no way for 25 people at my level to take him down.
Basically I was just there for the raid, not really contributing.

> You also came in on the last boss. That's like calling a mystery movie
> "anti-climatic" because you you came into the theater and sat down just
> as the detective made his deduction that "The butler did it".

Actually, I wasn't complaining about finding out that the butler did it
right after I walked into the cinema. I was just saying that I wasn't
planning on going to see the movie 17 more times :-)

> You have seven bosses prior to DW you missed...
>
> Since it's a real joke of a walk-thru now (esp since the patch), you
> ought to start at the beginning, listen and enjoy the dialog and
> cinematic cut scenes for the first time without feeling like you 'have'
> to 'esc' out of them.... :)

Oh, I absolutely plan to do that. Me choosing the second raid over the first
was ignorance; landing in a raid that was 3/4 throuhg the instance was
chance. I am looking forward to seeing both raids in full once (will I be
able to listen to the cut scenes without making the rest of the raid wait?
If they continue, will I be able to catch up with them?)

> And if you wanted the excitement of killing him, you should have seen it
> 10 months ago when nobody was uber geared and you couldn't over
> compensate for players not knowing....

Oh, that would be horror to me. Back when my guild was active (and even then
we were never a raiding guild), we occasionally tried our hand at the odd
raid (we had Naxx down at some point but never got far in Ulduar) and it was
fine every once in a while but I would not have enjoyed having to do this
the hard way over and over again. Raiding is just not my thing.

The anti-climax I was referring to was more the fact that I thought once
Deathwing was dead there might be a little cut scene or some outro or
something, but it was just "He's dead, here's your bag of 25g, and within 5
seconds everyone had left the raid". I understand why, but it still makes
the whole thing seem much less than epic :-)

Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (75), Mage | Greeta (65), Rogue
Mymule (85), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (81), Priest | Taalas (85), Shaman | Vargal (42), Warrior