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6/7/2012 12:17:00 PM

Is it just me, or have the groups for LFR gotten reeeaallly bad?

Over the last month or so the quality of players going through there
have just tanked...at least for me. For example, I tried 3 times
(instances) last night to take my mage through and the groups couldn't
get past the first 2 bosses (second half) (total of 7 wipes). The night
before was 2 instances (5 wipes before I left) Lots of bitching and the
same mistakes being made over and over. It's almost like all the
raiders and good people who know how to play finished taking all their
alts through (or stopped playing, or are on MoP beta and Diablo) and you
get what's left. Used to be the rare exception that you got a horrible
group that couldn't finish. Now it's becoming the norm, and finding a
group that knows what they are doing is a gem.

I'm only running my mage through for a chance at the stave on the final
fight. I've had horrible luck. Running this every week for 6 months
and I can't get it. I come in 2nd place 80% of the time on the roll and
lost last week's (when I got through 4 wipes) to a feral kitty....(Gee -
thanks Bliz for letting feral druids roll with bonus for intellect gear BTW)

I'm finding the same thing on heroic dungeons (not twilight - those
aren't so bad....yet) I'm taking fresh 85 hunter through and it's
really crazy on how bad either people have gotten, or that these are all
the people who were afraid to do it for the last year or something and
are coming out of the woodwork.... I dunno...I'm only playing around
with the hunter because I'm starting to get bored on WoW...Maybe tonight
I'll try one of my horde toons to see if the grass is greener on the
other side... Or maybe I just will kick back and start watching Airwolf
(one of my favorite shows from when I was a teen) that I just found
was on Netflix and take some time off from the game...I've already
reduced significantly my play time, what's a little more?

Sorry for just venting....

12 Answers

Catriona R

6/7/2012 12:21:00 PM

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 08:17:10 -0400, IYM <"S U N riser"@optonline.net>
wrote:

>Is it just me, or have the groups for LFR gotten reeeaallly bad?
>
>Over the last month or so the quality of players going through there
>have just tanked...at least for me. For example, I tried 3 times
>(instances) last night to take my mage through and the groups couldn't
>get past the first 2 bosses (second half) (total of 7 wipes). The night
>before was 2 instances (5 wipes before I left) Lots of bitching and the
>same mistakes being made over and over. It's almost like all the
>raiders and good people who know how to play finished taking all their
>alts through (or stopped playing, or are on MoP beta and Diablo) and you
>get what's left. Used to be the rare exception that you got a horrible
>group that couldn't finish. Now it's becoming the norm, and finding a
>group that knows what they are doing is a gem.

I'd imagine a lot of good players are indeed on MoP or Diablo, I know
I've not played on live for over a month now, other than to post
auctions and I imagine I'm not alone - too many competing things to
take time away!

>I'm only running my mage through for a chance at the stave on the final
>fight. I've had horrible luck. Running this every week for 6 months
>and I can't get it. I come in 2nd place 80% of the time on the roll and
>lost last week's (when I got through 4 wipes) to a feral kitty....(Gee -
>thanks Bliz for letting feral druids roll with bonus for intellect gear BTW)

That sucks :-( Thankfully the rolling system will be entirely
different in MoP for LFR, which should solve that problem at least.
And I can sympathise a lot, ran End Time loads of times for my healer
shoulders for my priest, the one time they dropped, a mage outrolled
me (*cough*SPIRIT*cough* *sigh*). I got the tier ones from LFR in the
end!
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S U N risr

6/7/2012 12:45:00 PM

On 6/7/2012 8:21 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 08:17:10 -0400, IYM<"S U N riser"@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Is it j
>
> That sucks :-( Thankfully the rolling system will be entirely
> different in MoP for LFR, which should solve that problem at least.
> And I can sympathise a lot, ran End Time loads of times for my healer
> shoulders for my priest, the one time they dropped, a mage outrolled
> me (*cough*SPIRIT*cough* *sigh*). I got the tier ones from LFR in the
> end!

I can *almost* accept the mage rolling on spirit shoulders if they are
far better than what he has. At least they have intellect and they can
have the spirit reforged into something more useful. Not right if the
healer needs them, but to block him from needing them? no.

Just as I can grudgingly accept healers rolling on dps intellect gear
when there is healer specific gear that drops - as they can use it on
their heal spec if it's better than what they have in slot, and can be
reforged.

I *cannot* however, under any terms accept a feral kitty druid getting a
+ roll bonus on intellect gear. Roll, yes - if no one else wants it,
but + roll bonus....no freakin' way....unacceptable.

Catriona R

6/7/2012 1:00:00 PM

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 08:45:28 -0400, IYM <"S U N riser"@optonline.net>
wrote:

>On 6/7/2012 8:21 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 08:17:10 -0400, IYM<"S U N riser"@optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it j
>>
>> That sucks :-( Thankfully the rolling system will be entirely
>> different in MoP for LFR, which should solve that problem at least.
>> And I can sympathise a lot, ran End Time loads of times for my healer
>> shoulders for my priest, the one time they dropped, a mage outrolled
>> me (*cough*SPIRIT*cough* *sigh*). I got the tier ones from LFR in the
>> end!
>
>
>I can *almost* accept the mage rolling on spirit shoulders if they are
>far better than what he has. At least they have intellect and they can
>have the spirit reforged into something more useful. Not right if the
>healer needs them, but to block him from needing them? no.
>
>Just as I can grudgingly accept healers rolling on dps intellect gear
>when there is healer specific gear that drops - as they can use it on
>their heal spec if it's better than what they have in slot, and can be
>reforged.

True, it's just annoying as hell for the healer who's stuck using pvp
shoulders for the next 2 months :-P It's the ONE slot I can't get
anything for from justice or even valor points so my only options are
a 346 blue, pvp shoulders, End Time drop shoulders or T13 shoulders
(which I eventually got, thank goodness)

>I *cannot* however, under any terms accept a feral kitty druid getting a
>+ roll bonus on intellect gear. Roll, yes - if no one else wants it,
>but + roll bonus....no freakin' way....unacceptable.

That's down to a glitch in the way the bonus was implemented, in that
it took role and not spec into consideration. Feral kitty is dps,
boomkin is dps, they're one and the same in the eyes of the (work in
progress) system, so spellpower staff has to let dps druid get a bonus
or else there's a lot of pissed off boomkins out there.

Blizz did say in the beginning that they know it's not right, but it
was the best they could do in the time available, and it will be fixed
for MoP (so I'd assume with 5.0, which usually goes out a few weeks
before the expansion release based on past expansions)

I know it doesn't make it any better for you and I'd be fuming as well
but it's a lot better than just using the regular need-greed system
and having every group have massive arguments after every boss when
every item is a freeforall! I'll be happy when it's fixed too though,
believe me :-)
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SF

6/7/2012 1:07:00 PM

Op 7-6-2012 14:17, IYM schreef:
> Is it just me, or have the groups for LFR gotten reeeaallly bad?
>
> I'm finding the same thing on heroic dungeons (not twilight - those
> aren't so bad....yet)

On my server its also the twilight that suck now. Sometimes you get
lucky but often its just leave or die. People ding 85 and go to heroic
without gearing in normal dungeons first and as soon as they get 1 or 2
pieces from heroic they'll be in the twilight dungeons, failing....
I had to leave lots of LFR lately cause we kept wiping. The other day we
even wiped on trash :(

SF

petertrei

6/7/2012 1:44:00 PM

On Jun 7, 9:06 am, SF <S...@iets.nl> wrote:
> Op 7-6-2012 14:17, IYM schreef:
>
> > Is it just me, or have the groups for LFR gotten reeeaallly bad?
>
> > I'm finding the same thing on heroic dungeons (not twilight - those
> > aren't so bad....yet)
>
> On my server its also the twilight that suck now. Sometimes you get
> lucky but often its just leave or die. People ding 85 and go to heroic
> without gearing in normal dungeons first and as soon as they get 1 or 2
> pieces from heroic they'll be in the twilight dungeons, failing....
> I had to leave lots of LFR lately cause we kept wiping. The other day we
> even wiped on trash :(

At the moment, my toon is pretty well pimped out. The only thing I'm
trying to get is the caster shield from the boat event.

LFR has gotten so bad that I tend to quit as soon as that event is
done (yes, that makes it worse for the others).

pt

Matthew

6/7/2012 4:01:00 PM

"IYM" <"S U N riser"@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:jqq5q1$tb$1@dont-email.me...
> Is it just me, or have the groups for LFR gotten reeeaallly bad?
>
> Over the last month or so the quality of players going through there have
> just tanked...at least for me. For example, I tried 3 times (instances)
> last night to take my mage through and the groups couldn't get past the
> first 2 bosses (second half) (total of 7 wipes). The night before was 2
> instances (5 wipes before I left) Lots of bitching and the same mistakes
> being made over and over. It's almost like all the raiders and good
> people who know how to play finished taking all their alts through (or
> stopped playing, or are on MoP beta and Diablo) and you get what's left.
> Used to be the rare exception that you got a horrible group that couldn't
> finish. Now it's becoming the norm, and finding a group that knows what
> they are doing is a gem.
>
> I'm only running my mage through for a chance at the stave on the final
> fight. I've had horrible luck. Running this every week for 6 months and
> I can't get it. I come in 2nd place 80% of the time on the roll and lost
> last week's (when I got through 4 wipes) to a feral kitty....(Gee - thanks
> Bliz for letting feral druids roll with bonus for intellect gear BTW)
>
> I'm finding the same thing on heroic dungeons (not twilight - those aren't
> so bad....yet) I'm taking fresh 85 hunter through and it's really crazy
> on how bad either people have gotten, or that these are all the people who
> were afraid to do it for the last year or something and are coming out of
> the woodwork.... I dunno...I'm only playing around with the hunter because
> I'm starting to get bored on WoW...Maybe tonight I'll try one of my horde
> toons to see if the grass is greener on the other side... Or maybe I just
> will kick back and start watching Airwolf (one of my favorite shows from
> when I was a teen) that I just found was on Netflix and take some time off
> from the game...I've already reduced significantly my play time, what's a
> little more?
>
> Sorry for just venting....

They have been terrible lately. I also have been having a bug where the
Loot says I am ineligible to roll on it and it is my first time in there.
Blizzards response we are looking into it. Pissed me off last night for my
shammy the agility trinket rolled everyone either passed or greeded I
would have been the only need

S U N risr

6/7/2012 4:02:00 PM

On 6/7/2012 9:44 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On Jun 7, 9:06 am, SF<S...@iets.nl> wrote:
>> Op 7-6-2012 14:17, IYM schreef:
>>
>>> Is it just me, or have the groups for LFR gotten reeeaallly bad?
>>
>>> I'm finding the same thing on heroic dungeons (not twilight - those
>>> aren't so bad....yet)
>>
>> On my server its also the twilight that suck now. Sometimes you get
>> lucky but often its just leave or die. People ding 85 and go to heroic
>> without gearing in normal dungeons first and as soon as they get 1 or 2
>> pieces from heroic they'll be in the twilight dungeons, failing....
>> I had to leave lots of LFR lately cause we kept wiping. The other day we
>> even wiped on trash :(
>
> At the moment, my toon is pretty well pimped out. The only thing I'm
> trying to get is the caster shield from the boat event.
>
> LFR has gotten so bad that I tend to quit as soon as that event is
> done (yes, that makes it worse for the others).
>
> pt

OK - good to see at least it's not me...Well, bad I should say.

The classic of all time for me was last week however. I come in and am
happy as it's 3 of 4. Woot...just have the last boss to do. Bones
everywhere....Bunch of people from one guild. Someone new coming in
asks "how many wipes?" The reply was "six". 6?!? Thought they were
just kidding.
It starts and this after the first platform this mage from that guild
starts screaming my toons name and the other 2 mages that came in with
me to stop AoE... No Arcane explosion!! I said "you can AoE except
the blisterings on the 4th platform" He starts screaming about single
targeting all the bloods and I say "the hell you say - worry about
yourself" The tanks don't know what they are doing and use up all the
b'rezes before we even get to the 4th platform. The mage is still
yelling....Both tanks go down on the big tenticle and we wipe before
even switch to the claw or hemorages come up. The mage starts screaming
that it's all the 3 new mages fault for AoE'ing and to kick all of us. I
say "says the fail arcane mage doing 11K" I was doing 70K. I never get
like that and am usually quiet and never speak unless spoken too, so it
takes quite a lot to get me riled up....And sure enough I start watching
as he has his guildies vote kick the other 2 mages and say "one
more"....I find myself in SW. My guildes who were with me, (the two top
healers) give them a mouthful and leave group. I was so ticked. I
never have gotten booted before....ever. I had to laugh after a few
minutes though....What are you going to do? :) I know they can't have
finished doing what they were doing. Funny thing, he wasn't screaming
at all the other classes AoE'ing the bloods....lol What a marooon.... :)

However, wasted 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back....

k

6/8/2012 2:14:00 AM

SF

6/8/2012 8:59:00 AM

Op 8-6-2012 4:14, k schreef:
>

>
> I did DS a week or so back on my main arcane mage.. second on damage and
> dps and afterwards eyeballed recount and was shocked to see a mage
> barely above the healers - I saw his main DPS spell was arcane blast,
> but his main damage spell was the hundreds of blizzards he cast ! third
> highest damage was off fire orb ...
>
> I'd already left group otherwise I might have given him some pointers
> but honestly, how can someone make it into raids and be only managing 5k
> dps??

Perhaps someone told the mage to go arcane while he or she was used to
frost? Ik know that you can put my (holy) priest in all the gear in the
world, but as shadowpriest I suck. There's just some classes you can
play better then others. I left my warlock to gather dust, I rather rdps
with hunter or mage.

SF

Yesterday on horde the lfr wiped so man times on madness that I lost
count. But I'm glad to have stuck to it, cause I won the one-handed
sword that I wanted for my dual wield frost dk :)

S U N risr

6/8/2012 11:36:00 AM

On 6/7/2012 10:14 PM, k wrote:
>
> "IYM" <"S U N riser"@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:jqq5q1$tb$1@dont-email.me...
>> Is it just me, or have the groups for LFR gotten reeeaallly bad?
>>
>> Over the last month or so the quality of players going through there
>> have just tanked...at least for me.
>
> I did DS a week or so back on my main arcane mage.. second on damage and
> dps and afterwards eyeballed recount and was shocked to see a mage
> barely above the healers - I saw his main DPS spell was arcane blast,
> but his main damage spell was the hundreds of blizzards he cast ! third
> highest damage was off fire orb ...
>
> I'd already left group otherwise I might have given him some pointers
> but honestly, how can someone make it into raids and be only managing 5k
> dps??

"cause with the LFR, the system just looks to see if you have the
minimum gear to get in, not if you can actually play your toon or how
much damage you can do. It ass-u-me s that in order to have gotten that
gear you would have had to run dungeons and actually known how to play it.

Funny thing is I was going to ask how an arcane mage geared well enough
to get into LFR (372 i-level) does 5K until I re-read what you wrote.
Blizzard and flame orbs, eh? That's a new one on me. I almost think
that even if you set up a beach umbrella, cast mirror images and sat
down to sun yourself, you could do more than that (on a short fight anyway)

Last night the groups were so bad, as they started to wipe on the 3rd
(yes third) platform because the tanks could not get the trade-off and
used up all the battle rez's by then, I walked over to the edge and
switched to my fishing pole and tried to catch something in all that
turbulent water....nothing. Not even allowed to cast... :)

After we came back in (6th wipe so far in all 4 boss encounters) most of
the group left, leaving only 9 dps and 2 healers. So I had to wait 10
minutes for replacements who finally were decent and one shotted it.
Time from entering fresh run to kill on last boss: 2hrs, 10 min. I
was doing all 4 bosses in 30-40 minutes a month ago....

......and after all that...my f-ing stave doesn't even drop for a chance
to roll for something. Why do I play this game again? lol :)

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