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petertrei

4/2/2012 8:30:00 PM

Since I now have little other use for Justice Points, I'm starting to
convert them to HP to use to build a PvP set. I'm bored, but don't
want to make the commitment that being a good tank would require.

My toon is Vamoose (Misha-US), who is currently Holy (main spec) and
Ret, both PvE.

What's the best route for gearing him up? I've only really done BGs in
BC and Wrath, and a few arena matches (which kind of put me off). My
current plan is to do pug BGs for practice and HP as well as continue
converting JP->HP to buy gear, until I think I won't be an utter
liability to a 'just for fun' guild arena team. I can also buy some
BoE items - this toon is relatively rich.

Would a pally do better as dps or heals? Do I need a respec, and if
so, is there an addon that can let me switch between more than two
specs easily (albeit expensively)?

I can also convert Valor to Conquest points, but for the next few
months, VPs are reserved for the PvE Ret spec.

pt
23 Answers

John Gordon

4/2/2012 8:57:00 PM

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In <2508740f-23cb-4606-872f-7b37d5ef96b0@j14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

> What's the best route for gearing him up? I've only really done BGs in
> BC and Wrath, and a few arena matches (which kind of put me off). My

The first random BG you win each day earns 100 CP. Each win after that
earns 50 CP (even though the queue screen does not mention it.)

After doing this for a while you'll be able to buy a good set of honor
gear and a few conquest pieces.

> Would a pally do better as dps or heals? Do I need a respec, and if
> so, is there an addon that can let me switch between more than two
> specs easily (albeit expensively)?

In my opinion, it's easier to play arenas as a healer than as dps.
And yes, you'll need a respec.

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

ald

4/3/2012 4:38:00 AM

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On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:57:14 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon
<gordon@panix.com> wrote:

>In <2508740f-23cb-4606-872f-7b37d5ef96b0@j14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> What's the best route for gearing him up? I've only really done BGs in
>> BC and Wrath, and a few arena matches (which kind of put me off). My
>
>The first random BG you win each day earns 100 CP. Each win after that
>earns 50 CP (even though the queue screen does not mention it.)
>
>After doing this for a while you'll be able to buy a good set of honor
>gear and a few conquest pieces.
>
>> Would a pally do better as dps or heals? Do I need a respec, and if
>> so, is there an addon that can let me switch between more than two
>> specs easily (albeit expensively)?
>
>In my opinion, it's easier to play arenas as a healer than as dps.
>And yes, you'll need a respec.

Agree with all of the above, except *maybe* the easier part (I don't
know, I've only done Arenas as heals), but wanted to add a mention of
the best HP source in the game, Tol Barad. An attacking win (with
towers, don't get me started on those, please ;-P) can easily get you
1K HP, with the weekly quest.

And I believe there is/was an addon that will remember specs for you
prior to changing, but I don't remember a name. For that I use the
old-fashioned addon, pen and paper, but I don't respec much ;-)

And, as I mentioned in a thread that popped up again today, Pally
healers can be *awesome*. By far my most favorite healing class to
play (I'm only PvP, on all toons, basically), they lack the mobility
of other healers for the better part, but Plate more than makes up for
it ;-)

--
ald
reply via email to ald_007_1999 at yahoo dot com

steve.kaye

4/3/2012 6:54:00 AM

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On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 00:38:04 -0400, ald <103175.3500@compuserve.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:57:14 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon
><gordon@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>In <2508740f-23cb-4606-872f-7b37d5ef96b0@j14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> What's the best route for gearing him up? I've only really done BGs in
>>> BC and Wrath, and a few arena matches (which kind of put me off). My
>>
>>The first random BG you win each day earns 100 CP. Each win after that
>>earns 50 CP (even though the queue screen does not mention it.)
>>
>>After doing this for a while you'll be able to buy a good set of honor
>>gear and a few conquest pieces.
>>
>>> Would a pally do better as dps or heals? Do I need a respec, and if
>>> so, is there an addon that can let me switch between more than two
>>> specs easily (albeit expensively)?
>>
>And I believe there is/was an addon that will remember specs for you
>prior to changing, but I don't remember a name. For that I use the
>old-fashioned addon, pen and paper, but I don't respec much ;-)

I used an addon called Talented. It worked well but took too long to
recover from the UI changes in Cata so I haven't used it since Wrath
(I don't need it because I don't swap specs as much as I used to).
Curse has it down as 4.1 compatible and it was last updated at the
start of January so it looks like it is still alive and kicking.

http://www.curse.com/addons/wo...


steve.kaye
--
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petertrei

4/3/2012 12:21:00 PM

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On Apr 3, 2:53 am, Steve Kaye <nos...@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 00:38:04 -0400, ald <103175.3...@compuserve.com>
> wrote:
>
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> >On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:57:14 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon
> ><gor...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >>In <2508740f-23cb-4606-872f-7b37d5ef9...@j14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >>> What's the best route for gearing him up? I've only really done BGs in
> >>> BC and Wrath, and a few arena matches (which kind of put me off). My
>
> >>The first random BG you win each day earns 100 CP.  Each win after that
> >>earns 50 CP (even though the queue screen does not mention it.)
>
> >>After doing this for a while you'll be able to buy a good set of honor
> >>gear and a few conquest pieces.
>
> >>> Would a pally do better as dps or heals? Do I need a respec, and if
> >>> so, is there an addon that can let me switch between more than two
> >>> specs easily (albeit expensively)?
>
> >And I believe there is/was an addon that will remember specs for you
> >prior to changing, but I don't remember a name. For that I use the
> >old-fashioned addon, pen and paper, but I don't respec much ;-)
>
> I used an addon called Talented.  It worked well but took too long to
> recover from the UI changes in Cata so I haven't used it since Wrath
> (I don't need it because I don't swap specs as much as I used to).
> Curse has it down as 4.1 compatible and it was last updated at the
> start of January so it looks like it is still alive and kicking.
>
> http://www.curse.com/addons/wo...

Thanks for all the advice. Is there a good site that discusses PvP
tactics for various roles and classes? I use Elitist Jerks and Icy
Veins for PvE.

I want to respec in and out of PvP since I have no intention of giving
up my PvE roles. 50g is pocket change for this toon.

I'll certainly look at TB - now that I think about it, I did TB quite
a bit when Cata first came out, to grind that rep and get items -
haven't bothered since. Frankly, it was a mess, with no good strategy
on the Alliance side; we got pwned on a regular basis. At the moment,
the only reason I have to go there is herbing.

pt

deathsabyss

4/3/2012 3:38:00 PM

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I think it was Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> that wrote
something like...

>Thanks for all the advice. Is there a good site that discusses PvP
>tactics for various roles and classes? I use Elitist Jerks and Icy
>Veins for PvE.
>
>I want to respec in and out of PvP since I have no intention of giving
>up my PvE roles. 50g is pocket change for this toon.
>
>I'll certainly look at TB - now that I think about it, I did TB quite
>a bit when Cata first came out, to grind that rep and get items -
>haven't bothered since. Frankly, it was a mess, with no good strategy
>on the Alliance side; we got pwned on a regular basis. At the moment,
>the only reason I have to go there is herbing.
>
>pt

I'm not sure about Pallies, but my priest seems to do well enough for
random battle grounds and Tol Barad with just his normal pve holy
spec. I suspect that for a just for fun Arena group it'd be fine too,
until you decided you wanted to try and push further up in the
rankings.
It would be more important to understand what's going on in the
different battle grounds or at least what *should* be going on than
changing your spec to get 1 or 2 pvp orientated talents.

Since my priest is also a tailor, I was able to make the pvp gear to
get started in random BG's and there'd be a heap of gear with
resilience you could get from a black smith I'm sure, to cover any
spots you haven't filled with honor converted from JP gear.

And don't forget if you're human, don't get the trinket with the stun
removal, as it shares a cooldown with the human racial that does the
same thing. ; )


As for Tol Barad, it can be a bit of fun. Though it can also be a bit
boring depending on when you go there. When there's only like 4 of
you in there it's a bit quiet. But then you can have entertaining
moments like when Ald and I, a pally and a priest healer, where
fighting with something like a warrior and a boomkin in a constant
battle for something like 10 minutes straight before more people
arrived.



Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!

ting

4/3/2012 7:10:00 PM

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On Apr 3, 8:20 am, Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to respec in and out of PvP since I have no intention of giving
> up my PvE roles. 50g is pocket change for this toon.

I would tell you to spec PvP healing, even for PvE.

You'll be just fine healing in PvE, assuming that you are not on a
server-first type guild. I did that on my druid back in Burning
Crusades and have never looked back.

The trade off of using a PvP healing spec in PvE is just mana regen.
As in, you'll regen less than normal. But in practice, all that really
means is that you need to use your mana regen cooldowns more often.

In the world of endless mana (which is what happens to nearly all
raiding healers), it means that you might have to pop a mana regen
cooldown once or twice during a boss fight, instead of zero times. And
that's for progression. Farm bosses will still be snooze fests,
without a single regen cooldown used.

And once you start 3v3 arenas, where mana disappears in a blink,
managing your mana in PvE becomes trivially easy.

Finally, there is only one site for PvP: ArenaJunkies.com.

The best way to get a spec is to use the arenajunkies rankings page to
sort by 3v3 arena paladin teams, and look up the healers on the
armory. That will give you the most up to date specs, more up to date
than any forum posting on the subject. A winning spec will proliferate
for weeks among the top players before a single word is written about
it.
--
// T.Hsu

ting

4/4/2012 7:28:00 AM

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On Apr 2, 4:57 pm, John Gordon <gor...@panix.com> wrote:
> The first random BG you win each day earns 100 CP.  Each win after that
> earns 50 CP (even though the queue screen does not mention it.)

Arenas and rated battlegrounds will earn you conquest points much
faster than that. You only need 10 wins total to hit the conquest
point cap when playing in arenas and 3-6 wins for rated battlegrounds.

The math works out *great* for high rated players, but even for low
rated players, it works out to 130 CP/win for arenas and 300 CP/win
for rated BGs. Yes, the conquest points per win ratio for rated
battlegrounds is that good, and it gets even better as your rating
goes up.
--
// T.Hsu

petertrei

4/4/2012 3:47:00 PM

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On Apr 4, 3:27 am, Ting Hsu <t...@thsu.org> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 4:57 pm, John Gordon <gor...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> > The first random BG you win each day earns 100 CP.  Each win after that
> > earns 50 CP (even though the queue screen does not mention it.)
>
> Arenas and rated battlegrounds will earn you conquest points much
> faster than that. You only need 10 wins total to hit the conquest
> point cap when playing in arenas and 3-6 wins for rated battlegrounds.
>
> The math works out *great* for high rated players, but even for low
> rated players, it works out to 130 CP/win for arenas and 300 CP/win
> for rated BGs. Yes, the conquest points per win ratio for rated
> battlegrounds is that good, and it gets even better as your rating
> goes up.

I'm going to be starting pug BGs soon - just need to get the 2 piece
bonus on HP gear.
You can convert Valor points to CP 1:1, so that's another source of up
to 1000/week.

pt

John Gordon

4/5/2012 2:26:00 PM

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In <b400383b-231e-4a00-b823-e27abde2e1ee@b14g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Ting Hsu <ting@thsu.org> writes:

> On Apr 2, 4:57=A0pm, John Gordon <gor...@panix.com> wrote:
> > The first random BG you win each day earns 100 CP. =A0Each win after that
> > earns 50 CP (even though the queue screen does not mention it.)

> Arenas and rated battlegrounds will earn you conquest points much
> faster than that. You only need 10 wins total to hit the conquest
> point cap when playing in arenas and 3-6 wins for rated battlegrounds.

Of course the downside to arenas and rated BGs is that you get nothing
if you lose. It's not so bad in arenas as each match usually takes only
a few minutes. But a rated BG can easily take up to an hour, counting
queue time.

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

John Gordon

4/5/2012 2:27:00 PM

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In <b22fbd9b-a9df-4234-82f3-39e2c59367b3@h5g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

> You can convert Valor points to CP 1:1, so that's another source of up
> to 1000/week.

Can you cap CPs in BGs/arenas and then convert VP on top of that?

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"