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Wow the most unoptimized game ever...

Debbie

3/6/2012 12:18:00 PM

I'm running wow on medium settings on my PC and everything is ok untill I
come in a main city at peek hours or I have a big fight in BG/raid when my
fps drops around 10 FPS. With this same setup when I'm alone I have 90
FPS... but this is a multiplayer game and you are never alone.... My PC is a
q6600 @ 3 GHz quad core with 6 GB ram and geforce 550 ti.
I recently bought a new graphics card that is at least 3 times faster than
my old one was and my gain was 10% more FPS.

Yesterday I copied wow to an external drive and took it to a friend who has
just put together a brand new pc last week, it's an AMD 8 core processor, 8
GB ddr3, ati radeon 6870 2 GB ram.
It's a great PC that runs Battlefield 3 (a new game with amazing graphics
and huge open spaces) at 50 fps on ultra settings.

So first I tried wow in orgrimmar on ultra and I barely had 25 fps, then I
joined isle of conquest BG and there was a fight of not more than 15 vs 15
and when spells started to be cast fps dropped to 12 fps... I checked the
processor load and like 1 core was almost on full another 1 was at 50% and
all the rest wasnt even utilized... and that is the 64 bit wow... the 32 bit
one works even worse.

I really can't find what could be the bottleneck in this setup.

Even when I put same settings on the new pc from what I use on my 5 year old
PC I get like 10 fps imporvement at most.

As far as I can tell there is no PC currently on the market that can run wow
above 25 fps on ultra in all conditions (25 man raid or big fights in 40 man
BG).
Is it normal that a game that was made in 2004 can't run smoothly on a brand
new top of the line PC?

13 Answers

SF

3/6/2012 12:38:00 PM

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Op 6-3-2012 13:17, Shammy schreef:
>
> Is it normal that a game that was made in 2004 can't run smoothly on a
> brand new top of the line PC?

Try playing age of conan, 10x worse
SF

Catriona R

3/6/2012 12:58:00 PM

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On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:37:36 +0100, SF <SF@iets.nl> wrote:

>Op 6-3-2012 13:17, Shammy schreef:
>>
>> Is it normal that a game that was made in 2004 can't run smoothly on a
>> brand new top of the line PC?
>
>Try playing age of conan, 10x worse

Or Planetside - it's funny how a game actually runs *worse* the better
a computer you use for it, but that one managed it, somehow :-P

As for WoW being made in 2004, well. The backbone was, sure, but how
much has been added on top of that in the last 7 years or so? I'd say
there's probably not very much left that's still present from 2004
without being modified in some way since! Also everything added more
recently has higher quality textures so takes up more resources, and
I'd imagine layering new stuff on top of old stuff doesn't do much for
efficiency in the coding (I'm sure every now and then I hear of weird
bugs caused by changing something you'd expect to be totally unrelated
- but many years of additions and changes and many different people
working on it is likely to cause that)
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evanmac69

3/6/2012 1:41:00 PM

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Shammy <none@nothing.com> wrote:

> Yesterday I copied wow to an external drive and took it to a friend who has
> just put together a brand new pc last week, it's an AMD 8 core processor, 8
> GB ddr3, ati radeon 6870 2 GB ram.

I had similar issue with a macbook pro 15" (early 2011) with lion 10.7.3
and... 4 GiB RAM and orgrimmar was a pain in the ass, not to mention
battleground and/or instance with more than 5 ppl

I just upgraded RAM to 8 GiB and... BAM! everything went smoothy :D

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S U N risr

3/6/2012 4:37:00 PM

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On 3/6/2012 7:17 AM, Shammy wrote:
> I'm running wow on medium settings on my PC and everything is ok untill
> I come in a main city at peek hours or I have a big fight in BG/raid
> when my fps drops around 10 FPS. With this same setup when I'm alone I
> have 90 FPS... but this is a multiplayer game and you are never
> alone.... My PC is a q6600 @ 3 GHz quad core with 6 GB ram and geforce
> 550 ti.
> I recently bought a new graphics card that is at least 3 times faster
> than my old one was and my gain was 10% more FPS.
>
> Yesterday I copied wow to an external drive and took it to a friend who
> has just put together a brand new pc last week, it's an AMD 8 core
> processor, 8 GB ddr3, ati radeon 6870 2 GB ram.
> It's a great PC that runs Battlefield 3 (a new game with amazing
> graphics and huge open spaces) at 50 fps on ultra settings.
>
> So first I tried wow in orgrimmar on ultra and I barely had 25 fps, then
> I joined isle of conquest BG and there was a fight of not more than 15
> vs 15 and when spells started to be cast fps dropped to 12 fps... I
> checked the processor load and like 1 core was almost on full another 1
> was at 50% and all the rest wasnt even utilized... and that is the 64
> bit wow... the 32 bit one works even worse.
>
> I really can't find what could be the bottleneck in this setup.
>
> Even when I put same settings on the new pc from what I use on my 5 year
> old PC I get like 10 fps imporvement at most.
>
> As far as I can tell there is no PC currently on the market that can run
> wow above 25 fps on ultra in all conditions (25 man raid or big fights
> in 40 man BG).
> Is it normal that a game that was made in 2004 can't run smoothly on a
> brand new top of the line PC?

I dunno - mines close and it's over a year old...I run WoW on full ultra
(except sunbeam shafts which are on medium for some reason - Not sure
when I did that but I haven't changed it since setting up) I get 40-50
regularly in SW and Org during all times. I get standard about 30 in
LFR 25 man DS, however I will say that when all crap breaks loose on
certain bosses, it sometimes drops to just over 20ish. Funny, that it
seems to be the second boss of the first half that puts the most strain
on my frame rates (when he casts something and everything starts getting
dark and everyone is taking damage)

Maybe it's something with a bottleneck of the data getting back and
forth from the server(s) to your PC that could be it? Probably not, but
I'm no PC expert. My latency 95% of the time sits around 50, and even
the one time there was an issue and it jumped all the way up to 450,
frame rates were smooth... Don't know what it could be - Like I said, my
systems 1-1/2 years old. I copied my relevant data below off my PC...

Intel Core i7-870 (8MB cache, 2.93GHz)
8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM @ 1333MHz - 4DIMMS
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5
1 TB - 7200RPM SATA 3.0 Gb/s 16MB Cache
running 64Bit Win 7

Debbie

3/6/2012 8:30:00 PM

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"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9rmfurF99nU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:37:36 +0100, SF <SF@iets.nl> wrote:
>
>>Op 6-3-2012 13:17, Shammy schreef:
>>>
>>> Is it normal that a game that was made in 2004 can't run smoothly on a
>>> brand new top of the line PC?
>>
>>Try playing age of conan, 10x worse
>
> Or Planetside - it's funny how a game actually runs *worse* the better
> a computer you use for it, but that one managed it, somehow :-P
>
> As for WoW being made in 2004, well. The backbone was, sure, but how
> much has been added on top of that in the last 7 years or so? I'd say
> there's probably not very much left that's still present from 2004
> without being modified in some way since! Also everything added more
> recently has higher quality textures so takes up more resources, and
> I'd imagine layering new stuff on top of old stuff doesn't do much for
> efficiency in the coding (I'm sure every now and then I hear of weird
> bugs caused by changing something you'd expect to be totally unrelated
> - but many years of additions and changes and many different people
> working on it is likely to cause that)
> --

Well I look it another way... they had 7 years to optimize it better.

Debbie

3/6/2012 8:33:00 PM

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"EvanMac" <evanmac69@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Shammy <none@nothing.com> wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I copied wow to an external drive and took it to a friend who
>> has
>> just put together a brand new pc last week, it's an AMD 8 core processor,
>> 8
>> GB ddr3, ati radeon 6870 2 GB ram.
>
> I had similar issue with a macbook pro 15" (early 2011) with lion 10.7.3
> and... 4 GiB RAM and orgrimmar was a pain in the ass, not to mention
> battleground and/or instance with more than 5 ppl
>
> I just upgraded RAM to 8 GiB and... BAM! everything went smoothy :D
>

The problem is I tested it on a brand new PC with 8 GB DDR3. Fresh windows
install, all brand new drivers etc

evanmac69

3/6/2012 9:20:00 PM

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Shammy <none@nothing.com> wrote:

> The problem is I tested it on a brand new PC with 8 GB DDR3. Fresh windows
> install, all brand new drivers etc

I don't know enough windows and pc to give some advice, but, with a
64-bit OS (like windows 7, I think) more ram means immediate speedup,
because of software architecture


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evanmac69

3/6/2012 9:20:00 PM

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IYM <"S U N riser"@optonline.net> wrote:

> Intel Core i7-870 (8MB cache, 2.93GHz)
> 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM @ 1333MHz - 4DIMMS
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5
> 1 TB - 7200RPM SATA 3.0 Gb/s 16MB Cache
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> running 64Bit Win 7
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

aside the cpu, alot of fast ram and fast hd, with a 64-bit OS, are the
keys :D


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John Gordon

3/6/2012 9:32:00 PM

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In <jj5sa9$qrv$1@sunce.iskon.hr> "Shammy" <none@nothing.com> writes:


> The problem is I tested it on a brand new PC with 8 GB DDR3. Fresh windows
> install, all brand new drivers etc

I run Wow just fine on an older PC with 4 GB RAM (Intel Core 2 Duo, circa
2007.) I'm sure many others also run Wow just fine on similar hardware.

I'm no PC expert, but I would think your problems are caused by something
other than wow being "unoptimized".

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Polarhound

3/6/2012 11:05:00 PM

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1. WoW does not use multiple cores. The 64 bit client is for increased
and improved memory addressing, not multicore support.

2. AMD processors are also subpar to Intel for the game as well by a
large margin. The best processor for the money for WoW (or almost
anything else given the performance differences) is the i5 2500k. Even
8-core AMD chips do not even manage to surpass the old E-series dual cores.

3. ATI video cards, the 5xxx and 6xxx series in particular have a bad
habit of throttling back to 2D speeds even in a 3D environment. This
happens mostly, but not exclusively, in a multi-monitor environment.
Software tools must be used to manually override the throttling. NV
cards do it as well, but the 6xxx series is bugged in that it will slow
the whole card to 2D speeds if ANY of the screens are in a 2D environment.

To fix this problem on ATI cards, install MSI Afterburner, open the
config file in Notepad and change the "Unofficial Overclocking" setting
from 0 to 1. You can then manually adjust the individual clock profiles
to lock them into non-throttled speeds.