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GC on Mists Stat Changes

Margrim

3/5/2012 9:14:00 PM

Well, I haven't seen this discussed so figured I would pass it along.

Ghostcrawler posted this late last week and it sounds like a big
"press" tour on Mists will be coming up later this month so we are
likely to get some more information then.

I have read through this post a couple of times, and honestly it all
sounds like pretty good stuff to me! Can anyone see any potential
concerns with any of this I may be overlooking?

I play a 50 / 50 mix of PVE / PVP so I am really looking forward to
see what shakes out with the new PVP model and the base defense stat
as well.

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Our recent talent calculator changes led to some players asking
questions about how character and item stats were changing, because
some spell and talent tooltips suggest that changes are coming. We
compiled this list to attempt to explain more of what’s coming in
Mists of Pandaria. First of all, please note that we actually aren’t
making many stat changes compared to the ones we made in Cataclysm
(“armor penetration -- gone!”). Second, the stuff below can get a
little technical. If you’re not into the subtle nuance of gear
itemization, then don’t worry about it -- you don’t need to be to
enjoy the expansion -- but we know there are plenty of you who enjoy
some nuts and bolts talk, so here we go.

SPELL RESISTANCE
Spell resistance is gone. There are no buffs that improve it and there
shouldn’t be much, if any, spell resist gear left. We always thought
the system was hard to understand and we weren’t getting much gameplay
out of it. Now taking a step back, we can imagine how to develop a
game where you’d want various forms of resist gear for certain
situations and opponents. Resist gear could potentially be
interesting, but it isn’t currently in World of Warcraft -- the game
has just been moving away from that sort of thing for years.
In the absence of spell resistance, there is no need for spell
penetration on gear, so we’ll remove it as well.

HIT AND EXPERTISE
We still think having stats that can be capped is a good game design.
Rather than focusing solely on stacking your best stat, you have to
decide how valuable it is to hit your target before you go back to
stacking your best stat. However, we are making some changes.
Hit and spell hit will no longer be separate stats. The hit stat
negates melee miss and spell miss.

Expertise will negate dodge and spell miss, then parry.

Expertise will be listed as a percentage, just like hit, instead of
having an intermediary stat.

We are normalizing hit with expertise, so that 1% of each stat will
require the same amount of rating.

We are normalizing melee and spell hit, so that spell hit is equal to
miss plus dodge.

Against an equal level creature: 6% spell miss, 3% melee miss, 3%
dodge, 3% parry (from the front only), 3% block (from the front only).
Against a +1 level creature: 9% spell miss, 4.5% melee miss, 4.5%
dodge, 4.5% parry (from the front only), 4.5% Block (from the front
only).

Against a +2 level creature: 12% spell miss, 6% melee miss, 6% dodge,
6% parry (from the front only), 6% Block (from the front only).
Against a +3/boss level creature: 15% spell miss, 7.5% melee miss,
7.5% dodge, 7.5% parry (from the front only), 7.5% block (from the
front only).

Ranged attacks will be able to be dodged. Hunters will benefit from
expertise and will have it on their gear, which will also allow
hunters and Enhancement shaman to share gear more easily.

Block
The chance to block will be handled by a separate combat roll for each
attack that is not avoided. In other words, we first determine if an
attack misses, or is dodged or parried. If it is not, then the attack
has a chance to be blocked.

This gives block a consistent value, regardless of avoidance.

Currently block becomes more valuable the more you have.

Block will also have diminishing returns, much like dodge and parry.
This doesn’t mean that the value of block will go down as you get more
block. It means that it won’t go up by as much when you get more
block.

We don’t expect Protection warriors or paladins to get “block capped”
other than during temporary effects, such as mastery procs on
trinkets. Block tanks will be balanced around this change. Our intent
is to make playing block tanks more fun, not to nerf them.

Also notice how Shield Block and Shield of the Righteous have changed
in Mists.

Criticals
All spells and abilities will crit for double damage, baseline. There
are a few exceptions where crits can get larger, but the default is x
2.0 for everyone.

This means that Enhancement shaman spells and rogue poisons will crit
for double damage. Rogue poisons will also use the melee hit chance.

Resilience
We are renaming this stat to “Defense (PvP)” or possibly “PvP
Defense.” All players will have 30% base Defense, the same way all
characters have some base Stamina.

PvP gear will have Defense on it, as well as a new stat, “Power
(PvP).” Power increases the damage you do to other players as well as
the healing you do to other players in PvP situations.

If you have a lot of Power, you’ll do more damage to other players,
but they likely have Defense as well. If you fight players in lots of
PvE gear, they’ll take more damage. Likewise, a player in PvE gear
won’t have enough Power to effectively penetrate your Defense.

The names PvP Power and PvP Defense may not be final, but we’re
leaning towards going with stat names that are obviously PvP-related,
rather than “fluffier” names that might not be as easy to grasp. We
want it to be clear to players that neither Power nor Defense have any
relevance when fighting creatures, such as in dungeons or raids.

PvP gear will be lower in item level than PvE gear of an equivalent
tier, however the Power and Defense stats will make sure that PvP gear
is more powerful in PvP (both offensively and defensively) than PvE
gear. In our budgeting system, the PvP stats will be free rather than
causing other stats, such as Strength or haste, to be smaller as a
result of including Power or Defense.

The goal of this change is to make it easier for a PvP player to
participate in PvE, or for a PvE player to get started in PvP.
Currently, we feel it is too large a barrier to go from one to the
other, and the result has been that we see more and more players
choosing to focus exclusively on only PvP or PvE. In earlier
expansions, it was more feasible to use PvE gear in Arenas or
Battlegrounds until you acquired the more useful PvP gear. The same
was true of being able to use your PvP gear in a dungeon or raid until
you acquired something better. In Cataclysm, stepping into PvP with no
PvP gear would result in a player being so ineffective that it was
difficult to even make progress towards acquiring PvP gear.

For the higher-end of PvP or PvE (say Gladiators or heroic raiders),
we believe those players will still gravitate towards the dedicated
PvP or PvE gear. It is the players who are working towards those two
end games that will benefit more from some cross over.

That’s a lot of information, and it probably sounds more set-in-stone
than it really is. We’ll continue to iterate as players poke holes in
our ideas, tell us what is working out and what isn’t, and finally get
to experience it first hand in beta.

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Regards,

Margrim
Alterac Mountains (US)
1 Answer

Blackheart

3/6/2012 4:25:00 AM

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On Mar 5, 4:14 pm, Margrim <evil.marg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I haven't seen this discussed so figured I would pass it along.
>
> Ghostcrawler posted this late last week and it sounds like a big
> "press" tour on Mists will be coming up later this month so we are
> likely to get some more information then.

all told, I'm not particularly impressed by anything Ghostcrawler has
ever had to say. At best, he comes across as if he doesn't actually
understand the game that he is lead designer for.

At worst? He's the dullest tool in the company shed. But you can't
expect too much when you get a C team lead designer to head up the D
team developers.