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steve.kaye

2/27/2012 11:20:00 AM

I've been plagued with poor broadband since shortly after moving into
my new house 6 years ago.

It started out fine but suddenly went flaky and I often lost my
connection and had to re-connect. BT fixed that by making it so that
I could only get broadband on my master socket and they gave me a long
cable to run upstairs to my office. I drilled a hole in the ceiling
of my gym into my living room so that the router would be on the right
floor without going up the stairs.

The living room is at the front of the house but the office is at the
back of the house so I needed to bridge that gap. I didn't want to
run a cable because I'd have to lift carpets and floorboards to hide
it because the distance is too large to go round the edge of the
rooms. I decided to use power line networking to do that. It worked
great.

Four years later, I quit WoW because I'm fed up of the random lag
spikes that make it so that I feel that I am too much of a liability
to heal in heroic instances or tank in normal instances and that's
what I want to do. The lag spikes don't happen in other online games
that I have played including Rift and Starcraft 2. I then move on to
Xbox games and finally back to WoW when a friend signs up the for the
annual pass.

I still have the lag spikes. It's very frustrating because I always
have a sub 100ms ping which usually hovers around 50ms. For this
reason I conclude that it isn't network lag so I get a new computer.
It seemed to improve the situation a little but it didn't go away
completely.

Last week I decided that it still wasn't good enough to run the
instances that I wanted to run so I had another look at my network.

The cable between the modem/router and my wall socket is very long -
10 feet or more and I'd read that it should be as short as possible. I
get an adapter and plug it into the main socket downstairs and use the
power line network to connect it to my PC.

It's significantly worse! The only thing that I have done is decrease
the length of the cable to the wall and increase the distance that the
power line network needs to go.

Well, it looks like I have finally found the problem! I moved the
router back upstairs and used a long ethernet cable instead of the
power line network. I've been playing like this for almost a week now
and there's no sniff of a lag spike!

The thing that really confused me is that my ping values are always
low and that it is much worse in instances even though my ping value
doesn't increase in instances. That really made me think that the
problem wasn't with the network. Another red herring was that other
games didn't suffer from the problem but I didn't run instances in the
other MMOs.

My wife's not happy about the network cable running across the house
though. :) I guess that I'll have to buy some flat cable that I can
run under the carpet where we can't see it. :)

steve.kaye
--
Jelan, 85 Priest Mingan, 85 Shaman Jaille, 80 Warlock
Kibbs, 85 Paladin Clokk, 81 Druid Belugar, 76 Warrior
Miho, 85 Rogue Jengu, 81 Death Knight Yopp, 73 Hunter
[ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Aloola, 70 Mage
2 Answers

Matthew

2/27/2012 3:19:00 PM

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Steve I have a question for you I am not sure if you answered it over the
years. I am only a lurker here with a few posts.
Have you ever had a what we call in the US a Speed tech or a tech in general
come to your house and let them test for the pole to the house from the
house to the modem to see where the problem is. I had a huge lag problem 2
years ago . I had one of the cable companies tech come out and it was the
connectors had gone bad plus they had to put a trap on the out side of the
house to improve the signal. Since then no spikes


"Steve Kaye" <nospam@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f7mmk7ldfbf4vluh5m9h4ia4de91iun2vu@4ax.com...
> I've been plagued with poor broadband since shortly after moving into
> my new house 6 years ago.
>
> It started out fine but suddenly went flaky and I often lost my
> connection and had to re-connect. BT fixed that by making it so that
> I could only get broadband on my master socket and they gave me a long
> cable to run upstairs to my office. I drilled a hole in the ceiling
> of my gym into my living room so that the router would be on the right
> floor without going up the stairs.
>
> The living room is at the front of the house but the office is at the
> back of the house so I needed to bridge that gap. I didn't want to
> run a cable because I'd have to lift carpets and floorboards to hide
> it because the distance is too large to go round the edge of the
> rooms. I decided to use power line networking to do that. It worked
> great.
>
> Four years later, I quit WoW because I'm fed up of the random lag
> spikes that make it so that I feel that I am too much of a liability
> to heal in heroic instances or tank in normal instances and that's
> what I want to do. The lag spikes don't happen in other online games
> that I have played including Rift and Starcraft 2. I then move on to
> Xbox games and finally back to WoW when a friend signs up the for the
> annual pass.
>
> I still have the lag spikes. It's very frustrating because I always
> have a sub 100ms ping which usually hovers around 50ms. For this
> reason I conclude that it isn't network lag so I get a new computer.
> It seemed to improve the situation a little but it didn't go away
> completely.
>
> Last week I decided that it still wasn't good enough to run the
> instances that I wanted to run so I had another look at my network.
>
> The cable between the modem/router and my wall socket is very long -
> 10 feet or more and I'd read that it should be as short as possible. I
> get an adapter and plug it into the main socket downstairs and use the
> power line network to connect it to my PC.
>
> It's significantly worse! The only thing that I have done is decrease
> the length of the cable to the wall and increase the distance that the
> power line network needs to go.
>
> Well, it looks like I have finally found the problem! I moved the
> router back upstairs and used a long ethernet cable instead of the
> power line network. I've been playing like this for almost a week now
> and there's no sniff of a lag spike!
>
> The thing that really confused me is that my ping values are always
> low and that it is much worse in instances even though my ping value
> doesn't increase in instances. That really made me think that the
> problem wasn't with the network. Another red herring was that other
> games didn't suffer from the problem but I didn't run instances in the
> other MMOs.
>
> My wife's not happy about the network cable running across the house
> though. :) I guess that I'll have to buy some flat cable that I can
> run under the carpet where we can't see it. :)
>
> steve.kaye
> --
> Jelan, 85 Priest Mingan, 85 Shaman Jaille, 80 Warlock
> Kibbs, 85 Paladin Clokk, 81 Druid Belugar, 76 Warrior
> Miho, 85 Rogue Jengu, 81 Death Knight Yopp, 73 Hunter
> [ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Aloola, 70 Mage


steve.kaye

2/28/2012 7:59:00 AM

0

On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:18:32 -0500, "Matthew"
<iamacatslaveand@proudtoserve.com> wrote:

>"Steve Kaye" <nospam@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:f7mmk7ldfbf4vluh5m9h4ia4de91iun2vu@4ax.com...
>> I've been plagued with poor broadband since shortly after moving into
>> my new house 6 years ago.
>>
>> It started out fine but suddenly went flaky and I often lost my
>> connection and had to re-connect. BT fixed that by making it so that
>> I could only get broadband on my master socket and they gave me a long
>> cable to run upstairs to my office. I drilled a hole in the ceiling
>> of my gym into my living room so that the router would be on the right
>> floor without going up the stairs.
>>
>> The living room is at the front of the house but the office is at the
>> back of the house so I needed to bridge that gap. I didn't want to
>> run a cable because I'd have to lift carpets and floorboards to hide
>> it because the distance is too large to go round the edge of the
>> rooms. I decided to use power line networking to do that. It worked
>> great.
>>
>> Four years later, I quit WoW because I'm fed up of the random lag
>> spikes that make it so that I feel that I am too much of a liability
>> to heal in heroic instances or tank in normal instances and that's
>> what I want to do. The lag spikes don't happen in other online games
>> that I have played including Rift and Starcraft 2. I then move on to
>> Xbox games and finally back to WoW when a friend signs up the for the
>> annual pass.
>>
>> I still have the lag spikes. It's very frustrating because I always
>> have a sub 100ms ping which usually hovers around 50ms. For this
>> reason I conclude that it isn't network lag so I get a new computer.
>> It seemed to improve the situation a little but it didn't go away
>> completely.
>>
>> Last week I decided that it still wasn't good enough to run the
>> instances that I wanted to run so I had another look at my network.
>>
>> The cable between the modem/router and my wall socket is very long -
>> 10 feet or more and I'd read that it should be as short as possible. I
>> get an adapter and plug it into the main socket downstairs and use the
>> power line network to connect it to my PC.
>>
>> It's significantly worse! The only thing that I have done is decrease
>> the length of the cable to the wall and increase the distance that the
>> power line network needs to go.
>>
>> Well, it looks like I have finally found the problem! I moved the
>> router back upstairs and used a long ethernet cable instead of the
>> power line network. I've been playing like this for almost a week now
>> and there's no sniff of a lag spike!
>>
>> The thing that really confused me is that my ping values are always
>> low and that it is much worse in instances even though my ping value
>> doesn't increase in instances. That really made me think that the
>> problem wasn't with the network. Another red herring was that other
>> games didn't suffer from the problem but I didn't run instances in the
>> other MMOs.
>>
>> My wife's not happy about the network cable running across the house
>> though. :) I guess that I'll have to buy some flat cable that I can
>> run under the carpet where we can't see it. :)
>>
>> steve.kaye
>
>Steve I have a question for you I am not sure if you answered it over the
>years. I am only a lurker here with a few posts.
>Have you ever had a what we call in the US a Speed tech or a tech in general
>come to your house and let them test for the pole to the house from the
>house to the modem to see where the problem is. I had a huge lag problem 2
>years ago . I had one of the cable companies tech come out and it was the
>connectors had gone bad plus they had to put a trap on the out side of the
>house to improve the signal. Since then no spikes
>

The root of my problem is that I am too far away from the exchange and
there are no broadband providers that can supply my house with fibre
optic broadband. When my house was built the cable company of the
area (a company called ntl) was struggling for money and that, we
believe, resulted in them not cabling the estate. So no nice and fast
cable broadband for me - just crappy ADSL.

I've not specifically had a speed tech check it out but the guys from
BT came early on and determined that my signal strength was too low
for a reliable connection (because I am too far away from the nearest
exchange). One thing that can affect your signal strength is your
internal telephone wiring so they disconnected it from my broadband
link - hence the reason why I can only get broadband on the one
telephone socket and I also don't need ADSL filters on the other
sockets. This raised my signal strength enough so that I could play
without getting disconnected - the rest of the story is down below.

Disclaimer: That was an account of my understanding of what happened.
Some technical details may be wrong. :P

I ran another three instances last night - Grim Batol as healer on my
Priest and The Stonecore and Blackrock Caverns as tank on my Paladin
(normal - for training purposes :P) - it was all fine with no lag so
I'm pretty certain that my issues are fixed for now.

steve.kaye
--
Jelan, 85 Priest Mingan, 85 Shaman Jaille, 80 Warlock
Kibbs, 85 Paladin Clokk, 82 Druid Belugar, 76 Warrior
Miho, 85 Rogue Jengu, 81 Death Knight Yopp, 73 Hunter
[ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Aloola, 70 Mage