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LFR Dragon Soul....Starting to see more of this...

IYM

2/6/2012 2:59:00 PM

hmmm...Hope this isn't a trend that's starting.

My last two DS runs have been basically healed as 5 mans. I had two priests use
the nice 'insta-que' that healers enjoy to get into the raid, then dps.

In both cases, they were near the top in dps so it created a delema about
booting them. Do you boot your top dps? It's unfair to the remaining heals
to have to work harder because of it. We had near wipes and could have used
the 6th healer, but you need 3 people to even get a boot going and you don't
even get to type in a reason for the boot, so most people say 'no' as they see
he's a top dps. If and when we wipe, it'll be on the 'fail' healers. Only at
that point will someone probably listen, so yea they take a chance at a boot,
but most likely they get through it.

i get more than a little pissed off at them....esp if I'm healing one. What
happens if I get two of these clowns in? 4 man it? It's BS....Should be a way
to prevent it, but alas - I fear wipes and unpleasant runs will be the only way
to fix it....
21 Answers

Neil Cerutti

2/6/2012 3:13:00 PM

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On 2012-02-06, IYM <s> wrote:
> hmmm...Hope this isn't a trend that's starting.
>
> My last two DS runs have been basically healed as 5 mans. I had
> two priests use the nice 'insta-que' that healers enjoy to get
> into the raid, then dps.

It ought to be discussed immediately you notice, and kicks
administered right away. Queueing for one thing and then doing
something else is a kickable offense. It's a shame to lose a good
DPS, but if that's what they wanted to do, they can queue that
way.

--
Neil Cerutti

Catriona R

2/6/2012 3:14:00 PM

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:59:23 +0000 (UTC), IYM <s u n
risr@optonline.net> wrote:

>hmmm...Hope this isn't a trend that's starting.
>
>My last two DS runs have been basically healed as 5 mans. I had two priests use
>the nice 'insta-que' that healers enjoy to get into the raid, then dps.
>
>In both cases, they were near the top in dps so it created a delema about
>booting them. Do you boot your top dps? It's unfair to the remaining heals
>to have to work harder because of it. We had near wipes and could have used
>the 6th healer, but you need 3 people to even get a boot going and you don't
>even get to type in a reason for the boot, so most people say 'no' as they see
>he's a top dps. If and when we wipe, it'll be on the 'fail' healers. Only at
>that point will someone probably listen, so yea they take a chance at a boot,
>but most likely they get through it.
>
>i get more than a little pissed off at them....esp if I'm healing one. What
>happens if I get two of these clowns in? 4 man it? It's BS....Should be a way
>to prevent it, but alas - I fear wipes and unpleasant runs will be the only way
>to fix it....

Happened a couple of times for me as well, that or the 6th healer was
really shit, as in doing about 1/5th of the healing the other 5 were
doing - sometimes it's so bad I have trouble figuring out who healer
#6 actually is, by looking at the meters (DK/bear tanks can end up
pretty close on healing done to some of these "healers"). I only have
gear gainable via 5-mans/LFR so if I'm absolutely destroying someone
on the meters* then either they're afk or switched to dps; either way,
it's ok if there's still 5 competent healers but if we're down to 4
we're going to have a wipefest.

*(Yes, I know meters don't count for much with healing and don't treat
them like dps meters... but if there's 5 healers all done tons of
healing and 6th barely anywhere to be seen, number 6 isn't
contributing a lot ;-))

Not a lot you can do about it, especially when you don't even know who
the 6th healer is meant to be (maybe I should turn role icons on on
Grid, but 99% of the time they're just clutter, since I have tanks
displayed separately already) - it's also near impossible in LFR to
get out of combat long enough to initiate a kick; one run we had an
afk healer, who was obvious from the 1st boss (died from aoe, never
accepted battleres), but between "can't votekick while loot is being
rolled for" (being afk, he hadn't rolled!), and "can't votekick during
or shortly after combat", we didn't get rid of him till just before
the last boss, even though everyone knew he was afk, idiots wouldn't
wait long enough between pulls to let us get it over with.
--
EU-Draenor:
Sagart (85 Undead Priest) Tairbh (85 Tauren Druid)
Buinne (85 Troll Shaman) Eilnich (85 Blood Elf Warlock)
Ruire (85 Blood Elf Paladin) Balgair (85 Human Rogue)
Dubh (80 Orc Death Knight) Rosad (73 Human Warlock)

IYM

2/6/2012 3:59:00 PM

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Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:59:23 +0000 (UTC), IYM <s u n
>risr@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>hmmm...Hope this isn't a trend that's starting.
>>
>>My last two DS runs have been basically healed as 5 mans. I had two priests
>>use
>>the nice 'insta-que' that healers enjoy to get into the raid, then dps.
>>
>>In both cases, they were near the top in dps so it created a delema about
>>booting them. Do you boot your top dps? It's unfair to the remaining heals
>>to have to work harder because of it. We had near wipes and could have used
>>the 6th healer, but you need 3 people to even get a boot going and you don't
>>even get to type in a reason for the boot, so most people say 'no' as they
>>see
>>he's a top dps. If and when we wipe, it'll be on the 'fail' healers. Only
>>at
>>that point will someone probably listen, so yea they take a chance at a boot,
>>but most likely they get through it.
>>
>>i get more than a little pissed off at them....esp if I'm healing one. What
>>happens if I get two of these clowns in? 4 man it? It's BS....Should be a
>>way
>>to prevent it, but alas - I fear wipes and unpleasant runs will be the only
>>way
>>to fix it....
>
>Happened a couple of times for me as well, that or the 6th healer was
>really shit, as in doing about 1/5th of the healing the other 5 were
>doing - sometimes it's so bad I have trouble figuring out who healer
>#6 actually is, by looking at the meters (DK/bear tanks can end up
>pretty close on healing done to some of these "healers"). I only have
>gear gainable via 5-mans/LFR so if I'm absolutely destroying someone
>on the meters* then either they're afk or switched to dps; either way,
>it's ok if there's still 5 competent healers but if we're down to 4
>we're going to have a wipefest.
>
>*(Yes, I know meters don't count for much with healing and don't treat
>them like dps meters... but if there's 5 healers all done tons of
>healing and 6th barely anywhere to be seen, number 6 isn't
>contributing a lot ;-))
>
>Not a lot you can do about it, especially when you don't even know who
>the 6th healer is meant to be (maybe I should turn role icons on on
>Grid, but 99% of the time they're just clutter, since I have tanks
>displayed separately already)

Oh it's real easy (for me anyway)...I have recount on, as well as the built in
raid thingie expanded (left hand side) that shows names and roles ('+' for
heals)

I right click my recount and switch it to healing done. If I see # 6 doing
crap, I look to the built in raid thing to see who the 6 heals are supposed to
be. I then flip recount over to dps and see if that guy is so dps or is
afk....If I see 25k dps and see he's in as heals - I get pissed off...That
ain't right. Sure it's a bootable offense, but try to get 3 people to initiate
a boot when you can't even type in the reason...sucks...

Debbie

2/6/2012 4:38:00 PM

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"IYM" <s u n risr@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:part1of1.1.9GZp$iR6uubgCA@ue.ph...
> Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:59:23 +0000 (UTC), IYM <s u n
>>risr@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>hmmm...Hope this isn't a trend that's starting.
>>>
>>>My last two DS runs have been basically healed as 5 mans. I had two
>>>priests
>>>use
>>>the nice 'insta-que' that healers enjoy to get into the raid, then dps.
>>>
>>>In both cases, they were near the top in dps so it created a delema about
>>>booting them. Do you boot your top dps? It's unfair to the remaining
>>>heals
>>>to have to work harder because of it. We had near wipes and could have
>>>used
>>>the 6th healer, but you need 3 people to even get a boot going and you
>>>don't
>>>even get to type in a reason for the boot, so most people say 'no' as
>>>they
>>>see
>>>he's a top dps. If and when we wipe, it'll be on the 'fail' healers.
>>>Only
>>>at
>>>that point will someone probably listen, so yea they take a chance at a
>>>boot,
>>>but most likely they get through it.
>>>
>>>i get more than a little pissed off at them....esp if I'm healing one.
>>>What
>>>happens if I get two of these clowns in? 4 man it? It's BS....Should be
>>>a
>>>way
>>>to prevent it, but alas - I fear wipes and unpleasant runs will be the
>>>only
>>>way
>>>to fix it....
>>
>>Happened a couple of times for me as well, that or the 6th healer was
>>really shit, as in doing about 1/5th of the healing the other 5 were
>>doing - sometimes it's so bad I have trouble figuring out who healer
>>#6 actually is, by looking at the meters (DK/bear tanks can end up
>>pretty close on healing done to some of these "healers"). I only have
>>gear gainable via 5-mans/LFR so if I'm absolutely destroying someone
>>on the meters* then either they're afk or switched to dps; either way,
>>it's ok if there's still 5 competent healers but if we're down to 4
>>we're going to have a wipefest.
>>
>>*(Yes, I know meters don't count for much with healing and don't treat
>>them like dps meters... but if there's 5 healers all done tons of
>>healing and 6th barely anywhere to be seen, number 6 isn't
>>contributing a lot ;-))
>>
>>Not a lot you can do about it, especially when you don't even know who
>>the 6th healer is meant to be (maybe I should turn role icons on on
>>Grid, but 99% of the time they're just clutter, since I have tanks
>>displayed separately already)
>
> Oh it's real easy (for me anyway)...I have recount on, as well as the
> built in
> raid thingie expanded (left hand side) that shows names and roles ('+' for
> heals)
>
> I right click my recount and switch it to healing done. If I see # 6
> doing
> crap, I look to the built in raid thing to see who the 6 heals are
> supposed to
> be. I then flip recount over to dps and see if that guy is so dps or is
> afk....If I see 25k dps and see he's in as heals - I get pissed off...That
> ain't right. Sure it's a bootable offense, but try to get 3 people to
> initiate
> a boot when you can't even type in the reason...sucks...
>

What do you mean cant type the reason?

The problem is always the same in BG or dungeon that people don't care... it
would be enough if the healers said we wont heal till that person is booted
as we wont heal for him, that would solve it, if they want to continue
without healers they can carry on...
I usually do a lot of BG and same thing is with afkers that are specially a
problem in a 10 man BG where 2 afk means you are playing with 20% less
forces and even after typing 10 times people still dont report so I go join
the afkers and tell everyone if they are ok for earning honor for afkers
they can earn it for me as well as I won't try with ppl afk and the ones
that arent afk cant even be bothered to report.

IYM

2/6/2012 6:05:00 PM

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"Shammy" <none@nothing.com> wrote:
>"IYM" <s u n risr@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:part1of1.1.9GZp$iR6uubgCA@ue.ph...
>> Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:59:23 +0000 (UTC), IYM <s u n
>>>risr@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>

<snip>

>>>Not a lot you can do about it, especially when you don't even know who
>>>the 6th healer is meant to be (maybe I should turn role icons on on
>>>Grid, but 99% of the time they're just clutter, since I have tanks
>>>displayed separately already)
>>
>> Oh it's real easy (for me anyway)...I have recount on, as well as the
>> built in
>> raid thingie expanded (left hand side) that shows names and roles ('+' for
>> heals)
>>
>> I right click my recount and switch it to healing done. If I see # 6
>> doing
>> crap, I look to the built in raid thing to see who the 6 heals are
>> supposed to
>> be. I then flip recount over to dps and see if that guy is so dps or is
>> afk....If I see 25k dps and see he's in as heals - I get pissed off...That
>> ain't right. Sure it's a bootable offense, but try to get 3 people to
>> initiate
>> a boot when you can't even type in the reason...sucks...
>>
>
>What do you mean cant type the reason?

I'm not sure if it is a glitch or whatever, but if you right-click "vote to
kick", a reason to type in was/is not allowed like in 5-mans...It just goes
right away to "3 other people must agree to inititate a vote to kick" (or
something to the effect......I don't quite get it. Anytime I've seen someone
removed / booted, it's deiscussed in radi chat, like " kick so-and-so for AFK"
or "kick a, b & c for low dps" or the likes. If it does some up on my screen
for the chance to boot, it never has a reason in the space that it normally is
in for 5-mans....like I said, not sure what it up with it or not....

>
>The problem is always the same in BG or dungeon that people don't care... it
>would be enough if the healers said we wont heal till that person is booted
>as we wont heal for him, that would solve it, if they want to continue
>without healers they can carry on...
>I usually do a lot of BG and same thing is with afkers that are specially a
>problem in a 10 man BG where 2 afk means you are playing with 20% less
>forces and even after typing 10 times people still dont report so I go join
>the afkers and tell everyone if they are ok for earning honor for afkers
>they can earn it for me as well as I won't try with ppl afk and the ones
>that arent afk cant even be bothered to report.

IYM

2/6/2012 6:20:00 PM

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IYM <s u n risr@optonline.net> wrote:
>"Shammy" <none@nothing.com> wrote:
>>"IYM" <s u n risr@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:part1of1.1.9GZp$iR6uubgCA@ue.ph...
>>> Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:59:23 +0000 (UTC), IYM <s u n
>>>>risr@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>
><snip>
>
>>>>Not a lot you can do about it, especially when you don't even know who
>>>>the 6th healer is meant to be (maybe I should turn role icons on on
>>>>Grid, but 99% of the time they're just clutter, since I have tanks
>>>>displayed separately already)
>>>
>>> Oh it's real easy (for me anyway)...I have recount on, as well as the
>>> built in
>>> raid thingie expanded (left hand side) that shows names and roles ('+' for
>>> heals)
>>>
>>> I right click my recount and switch it to healing done. If I see # 6
>>> doing
>>> crap, I look to the built in raid thing to see who the 6 heals are
>>> supposed to
>>> be. I then flip recount over to dps and see if that guy is so dps or is
>>> afk....If I see 25k dps and see he's in as heals - I get pissed off...That
>>> ain't right. Sure it's a bootable offense, but try to get 3 people to
>>> initiate
>>> a boot when you can't even type in the reason...sucks...
>>>
>>
>>What do you mean cant type the reason?
>
>I'm not sure if it is a glitch or whatever, but if you right-click "vote to
>kick", a reason to type in was/is not allowed like in 5-mans...It just goes
>right away to "3 other people must agree to inititate a vote to kick" (or
>something to the effect......I don't quite get it. Anytime I've seen someone
>removed / booted, it's deiscussed in radi chat, like " kick so-and-so for
>AFK"
> or "kick a, b & c for low dps" or the likes. If it does some up on my screen
>for the chance to boot, it never has a reason in the space that it normally is
>in for 5-mans....like I said, not sure what it up with it or not....
>
>>
>>The problem is always the same in BG or dungeon that people don't care... it
>>would be enough if the healers said we wont heal till that person is booted
>>as we wont heal for him, that would solve it, if they want to continue
>>without healers they can carry on...
>>I usually do a lot of BG and same thing is with afkers that are specially a
>>problem in a 10 man BG where 2 afk means you are playing with 20% less
>>forces and even after typing 10 times people still dont report so I go join
>>the afkers and tell everyone if they are ok for earning honor for afkers
>>they can earn it for me as well as I won't try with ppl afk and the ones
>>that arent afk cant even be bothered to report.



BTW - Sorry everyone for my drunken style spelling and grammar....I'm trying
out a new newsreader and it doesn't seem to even have any proofing....Not sure
I like it, but I'm having problems with posting using Thunderbird....Newsgroup
Password and Usernames won't stick and it asks me to input them evertime.
Sometimes it won't let me post telling me my credentials are no good.....can't
find any solution other than dumping and reinstalling, and I didn't really feel
like it....lol Thsi new one (Usenet Explorer) is a little cumbersome and not
very friendly...but it works :)

John Gordon

2/6/2012 7:26:00 PM

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In <part1of1.1.6dhqGBjsr7cgeg@ue.ph> IYM <s u n risr@optonline.net> writes:

> >What do you mean cant type the reason?

> I'm not sure if it is a glitch or whatever, but if you right-click "vote
> to kick", a reason to type in was/is not allowed like in 5-mans...It just
> goes right away to "3 other people must agree to inititate a vote to kick"
> (or something to the effect......I don't quite get it.

That just means someone else has already voted to kick that person.

If you're the very first vote, you do get to type in a reason.

(Although in my opinion, being able to type in a reason isn't very useful.
Most people won't bother to verify it, so you could type just about
anything in the box.)

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

neithskye

2/8/2012 4:05:00 PM

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On Feb 6, 9:59 am, IYM <s u n r...@optonline.net> wrote:

> i get more than a little pissed off at them....esp if I'm healing one.  What
> happens if I get two of these clowns in?  4 man it?  It's BS....Should be a way
> to prevent it, but alas - I fear wipes and unpleasant runs will be the only way
> to fix it....

As all my 85s are healers, I agree that it is BS, but no more so than
having six healers and having three of them pulling 3-6K HPS.

I was in a run last week on my Priest, and we had two other Priests
who were supposed to be healing going Shadow.

It really bothers me when either that happens or you have half your
healers asleap at the wheel and I'm blowing CDs and healing my $&* off
to keep people alive, and I am doing 23-29% of the healing, followed
by 16%, then 12%, and decreasing from there.

And I swear to you that it is these people who get some sort of
stealth bonus to their loot roll. Last week, another Paladin and
myself basically two-healed the boat. Finally, for the first time, the
healing shield dropped. I've had zero luck with this shield in either
LFR or 10-man boat. Who won it against me and this other Paladin? The
Shaman pulling 3K HPS, who did 1/7 my healing. Of course.

Or another time my Druid lost a 50/50 roll for Ultraxion's boots to
another Druid who was later booted for poor healing . . .

Or my fave. Yesterday on Deathwing, there were two healers from the
same guild, plus a Shaman DPS. Two Maw of the Dragonlords dropped.
Guildie A (resto Shaman) rolled Need. Guildie B (Holy Priest pulling
6K HPS) rolled Need. Guildie C (DPS Shaman) rolled Need.

Guildie A won one; Guildie B the other. Someone then pointed out that
Guildie A already had a Maw equipped. Clearly he was rolling on it for
his other two guildies. But Guildie B won the other one. I guess the
DPS Shaman gets the other one, while my Druid -- the actual healer who
would have loved the proc from that mace -- loses out.

I understand that fair rolls are fair and all that, but it really
ticks me off when I did 22% of the healing done, followed by 16%, and
it's the slackers pulling 8% of the healing who seem to win
everything. If we all did 6K HPS we wouldn't have survived the fight
and you wouldn't have had the opportunity to roll for an item you
already had.

Meh, listen to me. But, yes, it ticks me off when I have to heal my
butt off, then someone who queued as a healer, but then DPSed, gets a
roll bonus on something that might help me . . . for healing.

--
Jill

Neil Cerutti

2/8/2012 4:31:00 PM

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On 2012-02-08, neithskye <jill_bookerGREENEGGSANDSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 6, 9:59?am, IYM <s u n r...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> i get more than a little pissed off at them....esp if I'm
>> healing one. ?What happens if I get two of these clowns in? ?4
>> man it? ?It's BS....Should be a way to prevent it, but alas -
>> I fear wipes and unpleasant runs will be the only way to fix
>> it....
>
> As all my 85s are healers, I agree that it is BS, but no more
> so than having six healers and having three of them pulling
> 3-6K HPS.

I have my own run-ins with healers in the low-level BG's.

A nicely geared and well-played healer is extremely hard to kill
in the lowest bracket, and sometimes in higher brackets depending
on the matchups. The key is, you have to have x amount of
interrupts and stuns in order to actually kill them.

This leads to many healers thinking they are Batman. This is fine
with me until they start pissing and moaning while soloing
(Rogues who care only about getting killing blows and avoiding
death can be just as bad).

I finally got fed up with a Shaman last night. I had tried to
explain to him that we really weren't playing badly, we were just
getting smoked due to bad matchups and poorer gear, i.e., "We
aren't farming mid. We are getting our asses kicked." He says,
"Speak for yourself. I only have three deaths."

I responded, "What good is a healer who keeps only himself
alive?"

I knew his phlegm would start flying, and it did. But it was
worth it.

> I understand that fair rolls are fair and all that, but it
> really ticks me off when I did 22% of the healing done,
> followed by 16%, and it's the slackers pulling 8% of the
> healing who seem to win everything. If we all did 6K HPS we
> wouldn't have survived the fight and you wouldn't have had the
> opportunity to roll for an item you already had.

It sucks to not get rewarded, but at least you have the meters
and success to prove to yourself that all the effort is paying
off for the team.

--
Neil Cerutti

IYM

2/8/2012 5:27:00 PM

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neithskye <jill_bookerGREENEGGSANDSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 6, 9:59 am, IYM <s u n r...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> i get more than a little pissed off at them....esp if I'm healing one.  What
>> happens if I get two of these clowns in?  4 man it?  It's BS....Should be a
>>way
>> to prevent it, but alas - I fear wipes and unpleasant runs will be the only
>>way
>> to fix it....
>
>As all my 85s are healers, I agree that it is BS, but no more so than
>having six healers and having three of them pulling 3-6K HPS.

Yea, your right - kinda the same - but if someone is pulling that low (enough
to garner attention from me) I look to see if they are doing dps. If the are
not, I start keeping an eye on them to see if they are just afk, or standing
around. If they are trying, then maybe they are doing the opposite of my
greifers, which I guess can be just as bad. Maybe they are dps who can que as
healers and who didn't feel like waiting in a que, but are maybe trying to heal
thinking they are flying under the radar by not appearing on dps meters?
dunno...
>
>I was in a run last week on my Priest, and we had two other Priests
>who were supposed to be healing going Shadow.

Yup - Sorry to say, I've found priests to be the biggest offenders....Pally's
and druids not so much....


>And I swear to you that it is these people who get some sort of
>stealth bonus to their loot roll. Last week, another Paladin and
>myself basically two-healed the boat. Finally, for the first time, the
>healing shield dropped. I've had zero luck with this shield in either
>LFR or 10-man boat. Who won it against me and this other Paladin? The
>Shaman pulling 3K HPS, who did 1/7 my healing. Of course.
>
>Or another time my Druid lost a 50/50 roll for Ultraxion's boots to
>another Druid who was later booted for poor healing . . .

Frustrating....I hear you. But that's the whole LFR, not just heals. When I
que as dps on my mage and DK, I'm usually in the 1-3 spots overall in dps and
damage done. It always looks like the lower dps get 'secret' better chances on
thier rolls you don't know about. I wouldn't give it a second thought, except
on my rogue, I'm usually pulling 7-10th in damage and dps. Guess who gets the
most drops and is decked out in LFR gear? Makes you go hmmmm......

>
>Or my fave. Yesterday on Deathwing, there were two healers from the
>same guild, plus a Shaman DPS. Two Maw of the Dragonlords dropped.
>Guildie A (resto Shaman) rolled Need. Guildie B (Holy Priest pulling
>6K HPS) rolled Need. Guildie C (DPS Shaman) rolled Need.
>
>Guildie A won one; Guildie B the other. Someone then pointed out that
>Guildie A already had a Maw equipped. Clearly he was rolling on it for
>his other two guildies. But Guildie B won the other one. I guess the
>DPS Shaman gets the other one, while my Druid -- the actual healer who
>would have loved the proc from that mace -- loses out.

errr - I'm guilty of rolling on items I already have.
1) I roll for leverage...I roll and win hands I already have. I hold on to
them and watch who gets the shoulders I need on another boss. I offer that guy
the hands and maybe a trinket I won for the shoulders, and a trade happens. If
from my realm, I'll sweeten the deal with some gold. If I get to the end of
the final boss and no one wants to trade, I give them away to someone....
2) I do indeed roll on items I have (if eligible) if running with guildies and
a guildie needs them. We are on vent, and they say they need that, I'll roll
and give it to them if I get it. I consider that a benefit of running with
friends. If no one needs it, I'll pass on it.

>
>I understand that fair rolls are fair and all that, but it really
>ticks me off when I did 22% of the healing done, followed by 16%, and
>it's the slackers pulling 8% of the healing who seem to win
>everything. If we all did 6K HPS we wouldn't have survived the fight
>and you wouldn't have had the opportunity to roll for an item you
>already had.
>
>Meh, listen to me. But, yes, it ticks me off when I have to heal my
>butt off, then someone who queued as a healer, but then DPSed, gets a
>roll bonus on something that might help me . . . for healing.

Yea - That sucks....and most of the time they don't need it, or are trying to
build a heal set at your expense....Gee, thanks.