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Fvert

10/24/2011 1:10:00 AM

Most of my higher level toons had done it from previous years. For some
reason my lvl 85 DK was missing a lot of the Hallow's End achivements,
including extinguishing a village fire. Like many have said for Horde,
there were never enough to complete it at Razor Hill and Brill. While
outside Stormwind to do Wickerman and throw pumpkins on heads of the
ally races I still needed I was hovering over the village there and got
credit with out dousing a single flame while the Allies did it. Just
glad to have it done.


Brian
8 Answers

neithskye

10/24/2011 1:33:00 PM

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On Oct 23, 9:09 pm, Fvert <fv...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Most of my higher level toons had done it from previous years. For some
> reason my lvl 85 DK was missing a lot of the Hallow's End achivements,
> including extinguishing a village fire. Like many have said for Horde,
> there were never enough to complete it at Razor Hill and Brill. While
> outside Stormwind to do Wickerman and throw pumpkins on heads of the
> ally races I still needed I was hovering over the village there and got
> credit with out dousing a single flame while the Allies did it. Just
> glad to have it done.

Lol, that's funny. Although . . . Stormwind has this daily? That's
kinda weird considering that for Horde it's "surburban" towns; we
don't have the fires directly in Orgrimmar or Undercity.

Anyway, in the other thread Catriona had a wonderful suggestion. Try
the Blood Elf starting area. The fires are so close to the bucket that
you never have to run very far. My 85 Warrior and two level 10s did
this over the weekend.

If you get there right as it starts (i.e., before the fires can spread
too far) I'm almost certain you could solo this.

It seems in Brill and Razor Hill that the event starts almost
immediately (perhaps if you've failed). I wonder what the start times
are for Falconwind. Nothing happened for a long time. I eventually
left to visit candy buckets in the surrounding towns, then came flying
back when I heard the HH.

Maybe it's every half hour if successful, but almost immediately after
a failed attempt.

--
Jill

S U N risr

10/24/2011 2:12:00 PM

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On 10/24/2011 9:33 AM, neithskye wrote:
> On Oct 23, 9:09 pm, Fvert<fv...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Most of my higher level toons had done it from previous years. For some
>> reason my lvl 85 DK was missing a lot of the Hallow's End achivements,
>> including extinguishing a village fire. Like many have said for Horde,
>> there were never enough to complete it at Razor Hill and Brill. While
>> outside Stormwind to do Wickerman and throw pumpkins on heads of the
>> ally races I still needed I was hovering over the village there and got
>> credit with out dousing a single flame while the Allies did it. Just
>> glad to have it done.
>
> Lol, that's funny. Although . . . Stormwind has this daily? That's
> kinda weird considering that for Horde it's "surburban" towns; we
> don't have the fires directly in Orgrimmar or Undercity.

Nah - The Wickerman is right outside SW cities gates, but the fires you
fight are in Goldshire. The only quest for the Horde inside SW city is
the same one the Alliance have in Undercity for throwing stinkbombs...


>
> Anyway, in the other thread Catriona had a wonderful suggestion. Try
> the Blood Elf starting area. The fires are so close to the bucket that
> you never have to run very far. My 85 Warrior and two level 10s did
> this over the weekend.

As I mentioned to you, I checked out Goldsire and it seems hit or miss
as far as players participating. I did manage yesterday to do it 3
times in a row with no problem. I will say that putting the fires out
in Goldshire is a LOT easier than the Horde have it in Razor Hill. The
Well is placed very close, and only 2 buildings are on fire (Inn and
Blacksmith). I can pick up a water bucket and only run 2 steps to throw
it on the Blacksmith shop...So it sounds the same as the Ally in
Goldshire... I'm sure if I checked out the other ones for the Ally side,
I'll find one that's a lot more difficult...

>
> If you get there right as it starts (i.e., before the fires can spread
> too far) I'm almost certain you could solo this.
>
> It seems in Brill and Razor Hill that the event starts almost
> immediately (perhaps if you've failed). I wonder what the start times
> are for Falconwind. Nothing happened for a long time. I eventually
> left to visit candy buckets in the surrounding towns, then came flying
> back when I heard the HH.
>
> Maybe it's every half hour if successful, but almost immediately after
> a failed attempt.

It's seems fast for a successful attempt as well...I had just finished
it on one toon, at the same time my que for the HH instance came up, so
I wasn't able to turn in the quest. I went in ran that quick and when
I came out the bucket was still there so I quick turned it in, got the
achieve and was checking out my loot when it started again... Perhaps if
they made it scheduled for every half hour no matter if it was
successful or not, maybe more people would participate at once...Seems
to be a ton of people in Goldshire dueling, hanging out and not
participating while the HH is burning down the town while some are doing
it. Seems kinda silly watching two duels at once in the center of town
and guys running through the duel with water buckets... :)

BTW - OT -

I was on my Lowbie priest Saturday night running some dungeons. I come
out and decided to level my enchanting a bit.....So I'm standing in Org
at the AH in the Tauren area and am about the walk away when I look and
literally standing right next to me is this Pally in some nice epic gear
with a name I recognized....Was about to /wave when she takes a few
steps backwards and fades out...So I snooped where this player
disappeared to real quick.....

So I hope you had a good group on your Blackrock Caverns run than you've
had recently!! lmao :)

Catriona R

10/24/2011 2:12:00 PM

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On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:33:22 -0700 (PDT), neithskye
<jill_bookerGREENEGGSANDSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 23, 9:09 pm, Fvert <fv...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Most of my higher level toons had done it from previous years. For some
>> reason my lvl 85 DK was missing a lot of the Hallow's End achivements,
>> including extinguishing a village fire. Like many have said for Horde,
>> there were never enough to complete it at Razor Hill and Brill. While
>> outside Stormwind to do Wickerman and throw pumpkins on heads of the
>> ally races I still needed I was hovering over the village there and got
>> credit with out dousing a single flame while the Allies did it. Just
>> glad to have it done.
>
>Lol, that's funny. Although . . . Stormwind has this daily? That's
>kinda weird considering that for Horde it's "surburban" towns; we
>don't have the fires directly in Orgrimmar or Undercity.

It's at Goldshire, which is very close to SW :-)

>Anyway, in the other thread Catriona had a wonderful suggestion. Try
>the Blood Elf starting area. The fires are so close to the bucket that
>you never have to run very far. My 85 Warrior and two level 10s did
>this over the weekend.
>
>If you get there right as it starts (i.e., before the fires can spread
>too far) I'm almost certain you could solo this.

Nice, glad it worked for you! I got mine done at Razor Hill
eventually, was lucky that there was a load of people hanging around
who actually helped out at the time, phew! Also got it done in
Goldshire on my human warlock, arrived at the right moment and
completed pretty easily, lucky to be there at a busy time I think. For
lower pop servers it must be a headache, good that some towns are a
bit easier!

>It seems in Brill and Razor Hill that the event starts almost
>immediately (perhaps if you've failed). I wonder what the start times
>are for Falconwind. Nothing happened for a long time. I eventually
>left to visit candy buckets in the surrounding towns, then came flying
>back when I heard the HH.
>
>Maybe it's every half hour if successful, but almost immediately after
>a failed attempt.

It starts as soon as someone takes the quest for it (assuming it's not
already in progress), so if you fail, just drop it ansd retake for
another try.
--
EU-Draenor:
Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (85 Tauren Druid)
Buinne (85 Troll Shaman)
Eilnich (85 Blood Elf Warlock)
Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

neithskye

10/25/2011 3:53:00 PM

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On Oct 24, 10:12 am, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:

> BTW - OT -
>
> I was on my Lowbie priest Saturday night running some dungeons.  I come
> out and decided to level my enchanting a bit.....So I'm standing in Org
> at the AH in the Tauren area

All of my characters have the Valley of Wisdom as their hearth, so
that is where you'll likely find me.

> and am about the walk away when I look and
> literally standing right next to me is this Pally in some nice epic gear
> with a name I recognized....Was about to /wave when she takes a few
> steps backwards and fades out...

Which sounds so weird considering that my Paladin is male. :-)

> So I hope you had a good group on your Blackrock Caverns run than you've
> had recently!!  lmao  :)

Well, not likely.

I genuinely enjoy healing, such as Heroics. But I would say that
starting about, mmm, seven or eight weeks ago, the quality of the
players in Heroics has just nosedived.

I try not to be one of those one of those snooty Defender of a
Shattered World types, I don't wear my title in Heroics and even
bought that haunted locket thing that turns you into a Night Elf to
hide my gear. But, I mean, for example, in a Throne of the Tides run
last week I had a ret paladin in intellect and agility gear who would
do nothing a whole fight, then at the last second throw a few Hammer
of Wraths. He did 1,300 DPS, according to Recount.

People can't down the adds in Grim Batol. People can't kill the adds
in the first boss in Stonecore, so I take more damage than the tank
and eventually die. People can't understand the beams at Corla in BRC.
In a few Heroic runs I've done, my Holy Paladin has been the top
interruptor.

I can have a decent run, but the second I see a healer CTA -- which I
see very, very rarely -- and the second my screen loads and I see BRC
in particular I know I ain't getting my satchel. I'm not sure what's
so hard about stepping out of a beam. I do it while healing. But
lately it seems to be beyond people.

--
Jill

S U N risr

10/25/2011 6:16:00 PM

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On 10/25/2011 11:52 AM, neithskye wrote:
> On Oct 24, 10:12 am, IYM<"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:

> All of my characters have the Valley of Wisdom as their hearth, so
> that is where you'll likely find me.
>
>> and am about the walk away when I look and
>> literally standing right next to me is this Pally in some nice epic gear
>> with a name I recognized....Was about to /wave when she takes a few
>> steps backwards and fades out...
>
> Which sounds so weird considering that my Paladin is male. :-)

Yea - well, as soon as I recognize a name, and I know *something* about
the person behind the keyboard, for whatever reason I associate the
person, not the toon. Both my main human mage and (main Horde side)
lock are are female. My RL male friend plays only female toons...
Whenever I see anyone in my guild, no matter what toon they are playing
I always associate them in one way....Sorry to insult your Paladin's
"male-hood"...Was going to say "manhood" but that's doesn't quite
work... lol :)

>
>> So I hope you had a good group on your Blackrock Caverns run than you've
>> had recently!! lmao :)
>
> Well, not likely.

Sorry! :(

>
> I genuinely enjoy healing, such as Heroics. But I would say that
> starting about, mmm, seven or eight weeks ago, the quality of the
> players in Heroics has just nosedived.

hmm - ok...well that makes a little more sense. I think I wrote here in
a nice way that my guildies and I were kinda asking each other with one
raised eyebrow "is it us or do the Horde kinda suck? Maybe they are
mostly just PvP'ers"...Glad to see we we're not imagining it NOR was it
apparently always like that...Don't know what it is then...

>
> I try not to be one of those one of those snooty Defender of a
> Shattered World types, I don't wear my title in Heroics and even
> bought that haunted locket thing that turns you into a Night Elf to
> hide my gear. But, I mean, for example, in a Throne of the Tides run
> last week I had a ret paladin in intellect and agility gear who would
> do nothing a whole fight, then at the last second throw a few Hammer
> of Wraths. He did 1,300 DPS, according to Recount.

> People can't down the adds in Grim Batol. People can't kill the adds
> in the first boss in Stonecore, so I take more damage than the tank
> and eventually die. People can't understand the beams at Corla in BRC.
> In a few Heroic runs I've done, my Holy Paladin has been the top
> interruptor.

TBH, I probably don't play my lock to it's potential dps output, but
even I average about 11-14K in heroics. Rule #1 for any dps: Cause
damage, don't take it - If the latter is happening, stop the former and
fix it. screw your numbers...

>
> I can have a decent run, but the second I see a healer CTA -- which I
> see very, very rarely -- and the second my screen loads and I see BRC
> in particular I know I ain't getting my satchel. I'm not sure what's
> so hard about stepping out of a beam. I do it while healing. But
> lately it seems to be beyond people.

Don't know whats happened lately then.... I know back when cata first
came out and I was in BRC the first time or two, I had a problem with
the beams as well, but as it turns out this kinda accidental due to my
carbonite mapping add-on. The default mini-map is replaced by a minimap
you can move anywhere you want, however I keep it in the same upper
right corner, and I unfortunately had it up a little too high and the
stack indicator was underneath my map. I could get out of the beam fine
as DBM indicated the 80 stacks, however I had no way to know when they
dropped off. People kept telling me it was there and I was blind, but I
couldn't see it. It is the only time in the 2 years playing I was ever
booted from a group...Didn't even feel like playing for 2 days after
that. Kinda breathed a sigh when I figured it out with the help of
guildies on a guild run of it....

Maybe it could be that less skilled players (and I'm not being snooty
either) who never did the instances before as they found them too
difficult are finally queing up for them thinking either they are going
to get carried, that it's nerfed, or that they now have 365 quest gear
from the fireland dailies so maybe they have the thought that the gear
makes up for some mistakes? dunno... I've been startled a couple times
on this side by someone who said it was their first time there - "what's
the strategy on this boss?" Most times a simple explanation goes well
and they perform decent, but other times...oof.

>
> --
> Jill

Sorry - you sound bummed :(

....I was actually just making a light hearted comment about running into
you. You sound like I did with the game when my raid team up and left
the rest of us all dressed up in our finest with nowhere to go....lol.
Our answer was to create a small guild on the other side and see if
the grass was any greener and try some different roles we never got
around to, and having some fun doing it...Don't know if you've tried
bumming around on the ally side for a change of pace...

neithskye

10/25/2011 7:43:00 PM

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On Oct 25, 2:15 pm, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:

> Yea - well, as soon as I recognize a name, and I know *something* about
> the person behind the keyboard, for whatever reason I associate the
> person, not the toon.  Both my main human mage and (main Horde side)
> lock are are female.  My RL male friend plays only female toons...
> Whenever I see anyone in my guild, no matter what toon they are playing
> I always associate them in one way....Sorry to insult your Paladin's
> "male-hood"...Was going to say "manhood" but that's doesn't quite
> work...  lol   :)

Sorry! Was just teasing you!

I am one of the few raiding females we have in my guild. Everyone
knows my toons and knows my gender. So in Vent and raid chat, my
toons, like my male Paladin and male Tauren resto Druid, get called
"she" and "her" a lot. Sometimes we bring in PuGs or, more likely,
friends of guildies into our raids. I imagine they must get confused,
when discussing healing strategies and such, to hear things in Vent
like, "She'll take the stacks first" . . . when three male healers are
standing around.

> hmm - ok...well that makes a little more sense.  I think I wrote here in
> a nice way that my guildies and I were kinda asking each other with one
> raised eyebrow "is it us or do the Horde kinda suck?  Maybe they are
> mostly just PvP'ers"...Glad to see we we're not imagining it NOR was it
> apparently always like that...Don't know what it is then...

No, you are not imagining it, and, no, it was not always this way. I
used to be able to sleep my way through Heroics. Every run was a good
one. Then seriously, like overnight, it got awful.

I think it boils down to two things: 1) Serious raiders probably have
nothing left to purchase with VPs so have dropped out of the queues;
2) The patch where you could purchase former VP gear with JPs.

People really do seem to think that better gear means you can ignore
mechanics. I have to admit that I purchased that haunted locket thing
to hide my gear because I was getting pretty sick of people just
charging into things after hearing, "Yay, a geared healer". I should
not have to be doing 19,500 HPS (which I have sometimes, according to
Recount) in a normal Heroic, because you want to be an idiot.

One time -- again in BRC -- after Karsh, the tank charged in and
pulled the two-pack of the Earth Rumbler things (the ones who cast
meteor), as well as a trash pack (borers, fire elementals). Recount
showed that he went from 100% health to dead in something like 2.63
seconds. I have nice gear, but I'm not sure what you expect me to do
at that point.

> ...I was actually just making a light hearted comment about running into
> you.  You sound like I did with the game when my raid team up and left
> the rest of us all dressed up in our finest with nowhere to go....lol.

Yeah, lol, sorry, I shouldn't have dumped that at your feet. "All
dressed up and nowhere to go" is about an apt a description as they
come. There are 705 people in my guild . . . and there were seven
people on last night.

When raids weren't happening, I really enjoyed healing Heroics, even
when I am VP-capped for the week. It's nice helping people get
gear . . . but lately it's been not so fun.

--
Jill

usenet

10/26/2011 8:21:00 AM

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IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:

> On 10/25/2011 11:52 AM, neithskye wrote:

> >
> > I genuinely enjoy healing, such as Heroics. But I would say that
> > starting about, mmm, seven or eight weeks ago, the quality of the
> > players in Heroics has just nosedived.
>
> hmm - ok...well that makes a little more sense. I think I wrote here in
> a nice way that my guildies and I were kinda asking each other with one
> raised eyebrow "is it us or do the Horde kinda suck? Maybe they are
> mostly just PvP'ers"...Glad to see we we're not imagining it NOR was it
> apparently always like that...Don't know what it is then...
>

I'm pretty much a PvP'er, but don't tar us all with the same brush ;)

>
>
> Maybe it could be that less skilled players (and I'm not being snooty
> either) who never did the instances before as they found them too
> difficult are finally queing up for them thinking either they are going
> to get carried, that it's nerfed, or that they now have 365 quest gear
> from the fireland dailies so maybe they have the thought that the gear
> makes up for some mistakes? dunno... I've been startled a couple times
> on this side by someone who said it was their first time there - "what's
> the strategy on this boss?" Most times a simple explanation goes well
> and they perform decent, but other times...oof.
>

I haven't set foot in a Heroic yet, as my only L85 is a hunter, and I
don't like instancing as a DPS, but I like to think I'm a fast learner.
I'll never be top of the tree dps wise, and make a few mistakes, but I
only make those mistakes once. Something I don't understand about a lot
of players is their inability to learn?
PvP is actually worse than PvE in that respect in my limited experience,
some BGs are an exercise in frustration...

Are heroics really such a huge step up from normal instances?

T.

S U N risr

10/26/2011 11:39:00 AM

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On 10/26/2011 4:21 AM, Trooper wrote:
> IYM<"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/2011 11:52 AM, neithskye wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I genuinely enjoy healing, such as Heroics. But I would say that
>>> starting about, mmm, seven or eight weeks ago, the quality of the
>>> players in Heroics has just nosedived.
>>
>> hmm - ok...well that makes a little more sense. I think I wrote here in
>> a nice way that my guildies and I were kinda asking each other with one
>> raised eyebrow "is it us or do the Horde kinda suck? Maybe they are
>> mostly just PvP'ers"...Glad to see we we're not imagining it NOR was it
>> apparently always like that...Don't know what it is then...
>>
>
> I'm pretty much a PvP'er, but don't tar us all with the same brush ;)
>
>>
>>
>> Maybe it could be that less skilled players (and I'm not being snooty
>> either) who never did the instances before as they found them too
>> difficult are finally queing up for them thinking either they are going
>> to get carried, that it's nerfed, or that they now have 365 quest gear
>> from the fireland dailies so maybe they have the thought that the gear
>> makes up for some mistakes? dunno... I've been startled a couple times
>> on this side by someone who said it was their first time there - "what's
>> the strategy on this boss?" Most times a simple explanation goes well
>> and they perform decent, but other times...oof.
>>
>
> I haven't set foot in a Heroic yet, as my only L85 is a hunter, and I
> don't like instancing as a DPS, but I like to think I'm a fast learner.
> I'll never be top of the tree dps wise, and make a few mistakes, but I
> only make those mistakes once. Something I don't understand about a lot
> of players is their inability to learn?
> PvP is actually worse than PvE in that respect in my limited experience,
> some BGs are an exercise in frustration...
>
> Are heroics really such a huge step up from normal instances?
>
> T.

From Normal to Heroics? No - Not so much...Just extra abilities on
bosses, extra life, adds, etc. If you go back and read what neithskye
said, it was that for some reason, something has happened in the past
couple of months where the quality of the people running the dungeons
suddenly nosedived on the Horde side on the realm we play on. This was
just before I started running the 85 dungeons on the horde side. I've
been running them on the Ally side for 10 months. So our Ally guild
members that are playing around on the Horde side now had just been
wondering if the Horde side on my realm was more PvP focused than PvP,
because the...kinda aren't so hot. I've faced the Horde in Tol Barrad
and they are good PvP'ers regarding strategy and working together but
since cata, the Alliance wins just as much - It's pretty balanced on who
has control - *nothing* like back in wrath with Wintergrasp.

I agree with your assessment of BG's - I don't play them at all anymore,
(except TB) - Frustration galore I can imagine...