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I Now Have Zero, Count 'Em, Zero Valor Points!

Orion Ryder

6/29/2011 12:38:00 PM

I must have missed the second memo.

I could swear that I initially saw that everything was going to be
converted to Valor Points.

Or is it that Valor Items become Justice Items and new higher item
level gear is now going to be for sale atr the Valor Vendor?

I'll have to text my wife and tell her to check out that possibility.

If that is what happened then where are the Justice Point items now?

This is what happens when you have young kids. Instead of reading
about all this stuff on the web you bring them to the pool.

Orion
13 Answers

Urbin

6/29/2011 2:28:00 PM

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 05:37:52 -0700 (PDT), Orion Ryder wrote:
> I must have missed the second memo.
>
> I could swear that I initially saw that everything was going to be
> converted to Valor Points.
>
> Or is it that Valor Items become Justice Items and new higher item
> level gear is now going to be for sale atr the Valor Vendor?
>
> I'll have to text my wife and tell her to check out that possibility.
>
> If that is what happened then where are the Justice Point items now?
>
> This is what happens when you have young kids. Instead of reading
> about all this stuff on the web you bring them to the pool.

I'm not patched yet but my assumption was:

- Old JP balance remains JP
- Old VP balance is converted to JP and added to JP balance
- Anything above 4000 JP is converted to gold

- Old VP items are moved to the JP vendor to be sold for JP
- New VP items are introduced on the VP vendor
- Old JP items may or may not remain on vendor (assuming if a former VP item
is now available for JP in a slot, that old JP item will be replaced and
if there is no VP item for a slot the former JP item would remain - this
is speculation on my part, though, especially as I don't know what the
slot distribution of VP items was; I know that HP and JP items
complemented each other nicely in some slots)

Cheers
Urbin

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John Gordon

6/29/2011 2:30:00 PM

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In <22b88c29-f163-4c8f-b464-0969b4941839@k16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> Orion Ryder <orionryder@hotmail.com> writes:

> I could swear that I initially saw that everything was going to be
> converted to Valor Points.

Valor was converted to Justice.

> Or is it that Valor Items become Justice Items and new higher item
> level gear is now going to be for sale atr the Valor Vendor?

Yes.

> If that is what happened then where are the Justice Point items now?

All the old Justice and Valor items are now on the Justice vendor and
cost Justice points, and the Valor vendor has new stuff.

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

Catriona R

6/29/2011 2:54:00 PM

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On 29 Jun 2011 14:28:28 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 05:37:52 -0700 (PDT), Orion Ryder wrote:
>> I must have missed the second memo.
>>
>> I could swear that I initially saw that everything was going to be
>> converted to Valor Points.
>>
>> Or is it that Valor Items become Justice Items and new higher item
>> level gear is now going to be for sale atr the Valor Vendor?
>>
>> I'll have to text my wife and tell her to check out that possibility.
>>
>> If that is what happened then where are the Justice Point items now?
>>
>> This is what happens when you have young kids. Instead of reading
>> about all this stuff on the web you bring them to the pool.
>
>I'm not patched yet but my assumption was:
>
>- Old JP balance remains JP
>- Old VP balance is converted to JP and added to JP balance
>- Anything above 4000 JP is converted to gold
>
>- Old VP items are moved to the JP vendor to be sold for JP
>- New VP items are introduced on the VP vendor
>- Old JP items may or may not remain on vendor (assuming if a former VP item
> is now available for JP in a slot, that old JP item will be replaced and
> if there is no VP item for a slot the former JP item would remain - this
> is speculation on my part, though, especially as I don't know what the
> slot distribution of VP items was; I know that HP and JP items
> complemented each other nicely in some slots)

Old Justice points items are all still on the vendor, just checked.
It's somewhat amusing to see a blue item for the same price as an epic
one for the same slot!
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ScratchMonkey

6/30/2011 4:32:00 PM

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Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote in news:970skkFtm8U1
@mid.individual.net:

> Old Justice points items are all still on the vendor, just checked.
> It's somewhat amusing to see a blue item for the same price as an epic
> one for the same slot!

I still don't understand why the conversion was one to one, instead of some
multiple of JP per VP.

And I don't see the point of the caps.

John Gordon

6/30/2011 5:36:00 PM

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In <Xns9F1460F388C63scratchmonkey@88.198.244.100> ScratchMonkey <ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> writes:

> Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote in news:970skkFtm8U1
> @mid.individual.net:

> And I don't see the point of the caps.

The weekly cap or the total amount cap?

The weekly cap is to slow down the rate at which people earn points, which
helps the content last longer and also helps prevent player burnout.

The total amount cap is to prevent people from being able to buy a whole
slew of gear all at once. I'm not sure exactly why this is bad, but I'm
sure there are good reasons.

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

ScratchMonkey

6/30/2011 5:45:00 PM

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John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> wrote in
news:iuic54$6g7$1@reader1.panix.com:

> The weekly cap is to slow down the rate at which people earn points,
> which helps the content last longer and also helps prevent player
> burnout.

In other words, to protect Blizzard's income. If people "burned out" (ie.
consumed all the content quickly) and moved on to other games, Blizzard
would lose its cash cow, at least for those who pay by the month and stop
playing when they've "used up" the content and wait for an expansion.

> The total amount cap is to prevent people from being able to buy a
> whole slew of gear all at once. I'm not sure exactly why this is bad,
> but I'm sure there are good reasons.

Yeah, that's the one I'm wondering about. It makes no sense to me.

John Gordon

6/30/2011 6:15:00 PM

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In <Xns9F146D5254786scratchmonkey@88.198.244.100> ScratchMonkey <ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> writes:

> > The total amount cap is to prevent people from being able to buy a
> > whole slew of gear all at once. I'm not sure exactly why this is bad,
> > but I'm sure there are good reasons.

> Yeah, that's the one I'm wondering about. It makes no sense to me.

It could just be another pacing mechanism. If there were no total JP
cap, some non-raiders could have bought every single ex-Valor item on
Tuesday and then they would have nothing to look forward to.

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

John Gordon

6/30/2011 10:04:00 PM

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In <Xns9F146D5254786scratchmonkey@88.198.244.100> ScratchMonkey <ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> writes:

> > The weekly cap is to slow down the rate at which people earn points,
> > which helps the content last longer and also helps prevent player
> > burnout.

> In other words, to protect Blizzard's income. If people "burned out" (ie.
> consumed all the content quickly) and moved on to other games, Blizzard

Burnout has nothing to do with clearing the content.

If there were no weekly limit on valor points, some players would feel
obligated to run dozens of heroics every week in addition to raiding, to
get as much valor as possible. This can lead to burnout. (For example,
back when TOC had four separate lockouts, some players felt they had to
run all four every week to stay "competitive".)

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

ASKF

7/1/2011 3:47:00 AM

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John Gordon ytrede sig i <iuirrr$1b$1@reader1.panix.com> med dette:

>In <Xns9F146D5254786scratchmonkey@88.198.244.100> ScratchMonkey <ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> writes:
>
>> > The weekly cap is to slow down the rate at which people earn points,
>> > which helps the content last longer and also helps prevent player
>> > burnout.
>
>> In other words, to protect Blizzard's income. If people "burned out" (ie.
>> consumed all the content quickly) and moved on to other games, Blizzard
>
>Burnout has nothing to do with clearing the content.
>
>If there were no weekly limit on valor points, some players would feel
>obligated to run dozens of heroics every week in addition to raiding, to
>get as much valor as possible. This can lead to burnout. (For example,
>back when TOC had four separate lockouts, some players felt they had to
>run all four every week to stay "competitive".)

The system they use now does lead to burnouts for some...

The major point is to slowdown progress for two reasons:
1) Dev need to keep up making new stuff
2) Vivendi want Blizz to increase profit

After Vivendi got hold of the majority of the stocks, you can if you
want ro analyse, find a clear change in the actions of Blizzard.

It was Vivendi who cansled Andromeda, Stargate SG-1, at the time their
sale of mineral water failed in Europe, so the company had to cut
potential losses, after they had cut losses for 3 years...
--
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"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus

Bert Hyman

7/23/2011 10:15:00 PM

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In news:4e2b2e66$0$2121$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net rfischer@sonic.net (Ray
Fischer) wrote:

> That coming from a moron who can't even add up budget numbers and who
> still believes in fairy tales.

Oh Mr. Fischer, you're such a card.

Stupid, but still pretty funny sometimes.

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