[lnkForumImage]
TotalShareware - Download Free Software
Usa Forum
 Home | Login | Register | Search 


 

Forums >

alt.games.warcraft

Resto Shaman healing update

Urbin

6/9/2011 10:53:00 AM

Hi everyone

It's been a while since my resto shaman turned 85. I've been healing normal
dungeons with him since then and have been working on various reps. I'm
exalted with TB (got the mace, still 60 marks shy of the 359 trinket), I've
got Guardians of Hyjal at Revered (no need to go further) and am about 6k
shy of exalting Earthen Ring (for the 359 feet). I managed to buy the 359
pants, chest and off hand from the AH for <3k each and have an average
iLvl of XXX, just a few points away from being eligibly for ZG and ZA.

I have healed BH10 twice, the first time went very smoothly, nobody died.
The second time I put the group together and our first attempt was a wipe.
The second healer (druid) didn't seem to be able to keep up and it seemed to
me that I was the only one decursing. When the druid went offline we kicked
him, the priest changed spec and we found another dps druid and took the
boss down on the next attempt, but even then three people died and I was
practically hovering at OOM during the last 20% of the fight.

There are a few things about raid healing I was wondering: in BH10 the
groups split up left and right. I assumed that I would heal and dispell my
group, the other healer would handle his group. However, every once in a
while i saw druid HOTs on my group members and I had to help out healing and
dispelling both groups.

What is the usual healing setup in raids? A healer per group healing his
group? A tank healer and a dps healer? Something else? Different for each
fight? Are only healers supposed to dispel or can I expect DPS chars to
dispell as well?

I have little trouble healing the normal 85 pugs, but haven't dared do a
heroic yet. In normals, interstingly enough large trash pulls are usually
harder on me than boss fights. According to my gear I am eligibly to do
heroics, but haven't dared yet. After my two attempts at healing BH10, would
I need to expect 85 heroics to be harder or easier in comparison?

In any case, my resto shammy is outgearing my hunter main considerably.
Urbin is mostly sitting in Sholazaar getting a stack of Aged Yolk every
three days, no mount drop in over a month now :-(

Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (65), Rogue
Mymule (83), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (85), Shaman | Vargal (41), Warrior
9 Answers

Urbin

6/9/2011 10:55:00 AM

0

On 9 Jun 2011 10:53:10 GMT, Urbin wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> It's been a while since my resto shaman turned 85. I've been healing normal
> dungeons with him since then and have been working on various reps. I'm
> exalted with TB (got the mace, still 60 marks shy of the 359 trinket), I've
> got Guardians of Hyjal at Revered (no need to go further) and am about 6k
> shy of exalting Earthen Ring (for the 359 feet). I managed to buy the 359
> pants, chest and off hand from the AH for <3k each and have an average
> iLvl of XXX, just a few points away from being eligibly for ZG and ZA.

XXX = 343, I had to look it up and forgot to do that befor hitting "post" :)

> I have healed BH10 twice, the first time went very smoothly, nobody died.
> The second time I put the group together and our first attempt was a wipe.
> The second healer (druid) didn't seem to be able to keep up and it seemed to
> me that I was the only one decursing. When the druid went offline we kicked
> him, the priest changed spec and we found another dps druid and took the
> boss down on the next attempt, but even then three people died and I was
> practically hovering at OOM during the last 20% of the fight.
>
> There are a few things about raid healing I was wondering: in BH10 the
> groups split up left and right. I assumed that I would heal and dispell my
> group, the other healer would handle his group. However, every once in a
> while i saw druid HOTs on my group members and I had to help out healing and
> dispelling both groups.
>
> What is the usual healing setup in raids? A healer per group healing his
> group? A tank healer and a dps healer? Something else? Different for each
> fight? Are only healers supposed to dispel or can I expect DPS chars to
> dispell as well?
>
> I have little trouble healing the normal 85 pugs, but haven't dared do a
> heroic yet. In normals, interstingly enough large trash pulls are usually
> harder on me than boss fights. According to my gear I am eligibly to do
> heroics, but haven't dared yet. After my two attempts at healing BH10, would
> I need to expect 85 heroics to be harder or easier in comparison?
>
> In any case, my resto shammy is outgearing my hunter main considerably.
> Urbin is mostly sitting in Sholazaar getting a stack of Aged Yolk every
> three days, no mount drop in over a month now :-(

Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (65), Rogue
Mymule (83), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (85), Shaman | Vargal (41), Warrior

S U N risr

6/9/2011 11:30:00 AM

0

Urbin wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> It's been a while since my resto shaman turned 85. I've been healing normal
> dungeons with him since then and have been working on various reps. I'm
> exalted with TB (got the mace, still 60 marks shy of the 359 trinket), I've
> got Guardians of Hyjal at Revered (no need to go further) and am about 6k
> shy of exalting Earthen Ring (for the 359 feet). I managed to buy the 359
> pants, chest and off hand from the AH for <3k each and have an average
> iLvl of XXX, just a few points away from being eligibly for ZG and ZA.
>
> I have healed BH10 twice, the first time went very smoothly, nobody died.
> The second time I put the group together and our first attempt was a wipe.
> The second healer (druid) didn't seem to be able to keep up and it seemed to
> me that I was the only one decursing. When the druid went offline we kicked
> him, the priest changed spec and we found another dps druid and took the
> boss down on the next attempt, but even then three people died and I was
> practically hovering at OOM during the last 20% of the fight.
>
> There are a few things about raid healing I was wondering: in BH10 the
> groups split up left and right. I assumed that I would heal and dispell my
> group, the other healer would handle his group. However, every once in a
> while i saw druid HOTs on my group members and I had to help out healing and
> dispelling both groups.
>
> What is the usual healing setup in raids? A healer per group healing his
> group? A tank healer and a dps healer? Something else? Different for each
> fight? Are only healers supposed to dispel or can I expect DPS chars to
> dispell as well?
>
> I have little trouble healing the normal 85 pugs, but haven't dared do a
> heroic yet. In normals, interstingly enough large trash pulls are usually
> harder on me than boss fights. According to my gear I am eligibly to do
> heroics, but haven't dared yet. After my two attempts at healing BH10, would
> I need to expect 85 heroics to be harder or easier in comparison?
>
> In any case, my resto shammy is outgearing my hunter main considerably.
> Urbin is mostly sitting in Sholazaar getting a stack of Aged Yolk every
> three days, no mount drop in over a month now :-(
>
> Cheers
> Urbin


You sound exactly like me on my restro druid...Roughly same ilevel, and
I wont set foot in a pug heroic, unless with my guild, so it's slow.
And yes, I too find the trash mobs harder to heal than the bosses. The
main thing I find now is tanks are back in the wrath mindset on both
regs and heroics, and all cc'ing on trash went out the window. Only
certain pulls I see getting cc'd, so that makes it harder on heals. I'm
just running regular pugs as there is still jp gear (one or two pc) I
can use, so if it takes me a while to get it, so be it.

TBH, though - I haven't touched my resto in a month. I've been playing
my rogue instead with my mage.

Mark (newsgroups)

6/9/2011 12:49:00 PM

0

On 09/06/2011 12:29, IYM wrote:
> Urbin wrote:
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> It's been a while since my resto shaman turned 85. I've been healing
>> normal
>> dungeons with him since then and have been working on various reps. I'm
>> exalted with TB (got the mace, still 60 marks shy of the 359 trinket),
>> I've
>> got Guardians of Hyjal at Revered (no need to go further) and am about 6k
>> shy of exalting Earthen Ring (for the 359 feet). I managed to buy the 359
>> pants, chest and off hand from the AH for <3k each and have an average
>> iLvl of XXX, just a few points away from being eligibly for ZG and ZA.
>>
>> I have healed BH10 twice, the first time went very smoothly, nobody died.
>> The second time I put the group together and our first attempt was a
>> wipe.
>> The second healer (druid) didn't seem to be able to keep up and it
>> seemed to
>> me that I was the only one decursing. When the druid went offline we
>> kicked
>> him, the priest changed spec and we found another dps druid and took the
>> boss down on the next attempt, but even then three people died and I was
>> practically hovering at OOM during the last 20% of the fight.
>>
>> There are a few things about raid healing I was wondering: in BH10 the
>> groups split up left and right. I assumed that I would heal and
>> dispell my
>> group, the other healer would handle his group. However, every once in a
>> while i saw druid HOTs on my group members and I had to help out
>> healing and
>> dispelling both groups.
>>
>> What is the usual healing setup in raids? A healer per group healing his
>> group? A tank healer and a dps healer? Something else? Different for each
>> fight? Are only healers supposed to dispel or can I expect DPS chars to
>> dispell as well?
>>
>> I have little trouble healing the normal 85 pugs, but haven't dared do a
>> heroic yet. In normals, interstingly enough large trash pulls are usually
>> harder on me than boss fights. According to my gear I am eligibly to do
>> heroics, but haven't dared yet. After my two attempts at healing BH10,
>> would
>> I need to expect 85 heroics to be harder or easier in comparison?
>>
>> In any case, my resto shammy is outgearing my hunter main considerably.
>> Urbin is mostly sitting in Sholazaar getting a stack of Aged Yolk every
>> three days, no mount drop in over a month now :-(
>>
>> Cheers
>> Urbin
>
>
> You sound exactly like me on my restro druid...Roughly same ilevel, and
> I wont set foot in a pug heroic, unless with my guild, so it's slow. And
> yes, I too find the trash mobs harder to heal than the bosses. The main
> thing I find now is tanks are back in the wrath mindset on both regs and
> heroics, and all cc'ing on trash went out the window. Only certain pulls
> I see getting cc'd, so that makes it harder on heals. I'm just running
> regular pugs as there is still jp gear (one or two pc) I can use, so if
> it takes me a while to get it, so be it.
>
> TBH, though - I haven't touched my resto in a month. I've been playing
> my rogue instead with my mage.

Wow, you guys are more timid than me and I thought I was thin skinned
and reluctant to PUG. I don't play anymore so I don't know what it's
like now, but for some time before I quit (a few months ago) I very
seldom failed to complete a heroic in PUGs (through LFD). Maybe once
every few days I'd get a truly bad group, and this was doing several per
dail.

At the start of people gearing up and getting used to Cataclysm model,
yes it was very tough, and I have many stories of 4sshat groups blaming
me for their failings, in normals and heroics, but as time went on
either I just got the luckiest streak ever over the course of several
months, or people learned to play. Of course I geared up, but I would
guess my gear was worse than your current gear when things smoothed out.
So you are more than geared to do heroics, *AND* you get the 15% LFD
buff if you queue alone. You need to know some tricks in certain fights,
and when to use special cooldowns, which mobs to dispel, etc, but this
can be learned by reading up on them. Pick a heroic, read up on it
properly, and queue for that one alone so you know what to expect. As a
healer you won't have to wait terribly long to get in.

Really, just go for it, and report back please :-)

(All of this was on EU, I have no idea how US is)

John Gordon

6/9/2011 2:35:00 PM

0

In <slrniv19gm.7j1.urbin@stinky-local.trash.net> Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> writes:

> What is the usual healing setup in raids? A healer per group healing his
> group? A tank healer and a dps healer? Something else? Different for each
> fight? Are only healers supposed to dispel or can I expect DPS chars to
> dispell as well?

For Baradin Hold the usual setup is each healer heals and dispels their
own group, perhaps helping the other healer on dispels if all three dots
land on the other group.

For other raids the usual setup is a dedicated tank healer and a dedicated
raid healer, with the third healing position dictated by the particular
fight. Some fights need two tank healers, some need two raid healers.

> After my two attempts at healing BH10, would I need to expect 85 heroics
> to be harder or easier in comparison?

Generally easier, although a lot is up to your group mates -- avoiding
damage, moving out of fire, interrupting high-damage mob abilities, etc.
A poor group can be a nightmare to heal.

You definitely have the gear to heal heroics. Give it a try!

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

Urbin

6/9/2011 5:16:00 PM

0

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:49:11 +0100, Mark (newsgroups) wrote:
> On 09/06/2011 12:29, IYM wrote:
> > Urbin wrote:
> >> Hi everyone
> >>
> >> I have little trouble healing the normal 85 pugs, but haven't dared do
> >> a heroic yet. In normals, interstingly enough large trash pulls are
> >> usually harder on me than boss fights. According to my gear I am
> >> eligibly to do heroics, but haven't dared yet. After my two attempts at
> >> healing BH10, would I need to expect 85 heroics to be harder or easier
> >> in comparison?
> >
> > You sound exactly like me on my restro druid...Roughly same ilevel, and
> > I wont set foot in a pug heroic, unless with my guild, so it's slow. And
> > yes, I too find the trash mobs harder to heal than the bosses. The main
> > thing I find now is tanks are back in the wrath mindset on both regs and
> > heroics, and all cc'ing on trash went out the window. Only certain pulls
> > I see getting cc'd, so that makes it harder on heals. I'm just running
> > regular pugs as there is still jp gear (one or two pc) I can use, so if
> > it takes me a while to get it, so be it.
>
> Wow, you guys are more timid than me and I thought I was thin skinned
> and reluctant to PUG.

It's not so much being think skinned but rather a lack of confidence in my
healing prowess. I wouldn't want to be the reason for a pug failing...

Actually, the normal groups I've had pretty much fit in with what I have
seen levelling from 15 to 85 (most of it done in /lfg groups) and that means
they were decent groups with polite and friendly players.

> I don't play anymore so I don't know what it's like now, but for some
> time before I quit (a few months ago) I very seldom failed to complete a
> heroic in PUGs (through LFD). Maybe once every few days I'd get a truly
> bad group, and this was doing several per dail.

That is good to know. I've done a few heroics using /lfg (maybe 5 or 6) with
Urbin as DD but with my limited play time, by the time the queue was up I'd
rarely still have time to spend another hour in a dungeon, so I rarely
queued. But those few I did, usually went well with nice groups.

> Really, just go for it, and report back please :-)

I'll probably do this once I finished my TB and Wildhammer grind. I don't
think I'll bother with Therazane for the shoulder enchant. I don't mind the
daily grind so much but questing through the full zone just to open it up is
more than I'm willing to do.

> (All of this was on EU, I have no idea how US is)

EU, here, too.

Cheers
Urbin

--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (65), Rogue
Mymule (83), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (85), Shaman | Vargal (41), Warrior

Urbin

6/9/2011 5:38:00 PM

0

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:34:34 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon wrote:
> In <slrniv19gm.7j1.urbin@stinky-local.trash.net> Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
> > What is the usual healing setup in raids? A healer per group healing his
> > group? A tank healer and a dps healer? Something else? Different for each
> > fight? Are only healers supposed to dispel or can I expect DPS chars to
> > dispell as well?
>
> For Baradin Hold the usual setup is each healer heals and dispels their
> own group, perhaps helping the other healer on dispels if all three dots
> land on the other group.
>
> For other raids the usual setup is a dedicated tank healer and a dedicated
> raid healer, with the third healing position dictated by the particular
> fight. Some fights need two tank healers, some need two raid healers.

Thanks, that pretty much confirms what I had thought, but my co-healers
performance in BH last night made me think maybe I had things wrong...

> > After my two attempts at healing BH10, would I need to expect 85 heroics
> > to be harder or easier in comparison?
>
> Generally easier, although a lot is up to your group mates -- avoiding
> damage, moving out of fire, interrupting high-damage mob abilities, etc.
> A poor group can be a nightmare to heal.
>
> You definitely have the gear to heal heroics. Give it a try!

Thanks, I'll do that. I'll finish my rep grind (and running a few normals
while doing that should get me some more marks of justice and honour to
upgrade some 333 pieces to 346 and 352). Then I'll give it a go.

Cheers
Urbin

--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (65), Rogue
Mymule (83), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (85), Shaman | Vargal (41), Warrior

neithskye

6/10/2011 3:10:00 PM

0

On Jun 9, 6:53 am, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> There are a few things about raid healing I was wondering: in BH10 the
> groups split up left and right. I assumed that I would heal and dispell my
> group, the other healer would handle his group. However, every once in a
> while i saw druid HOTs on my group members and I had to help out healing and
> dispelling both groups.

Which HoTs? Wild Growth, for example, is a "smart" heal, and
prioritizes the raid members with lowest health. If that member was in
your group, s/he would get the Wild Growth HoT.

> What is the usual healing setup in raids? A healer per group healing his
> group? A tank healer and a dps healer? Something else? Different for each
> fight? Are only healers supposed to dispel or can I expect DPS chars to
> dispell as well?

IIRC, classes that have a dispel had the magic portion of it removed
in Cata, so Ret Paladins, for example, can now only dispel poisons and
diseases. The ability to dispel magic is now a talent deep in the
healer tree for each healing class, and some healers do not pick up
that talent (for example, if they always raid with another healer who
is the dedicated dispeller).

Consuming Darkness is a magic debuff, not a curse. If that Druid there
had not picked up Nature's Cure, he would not have been able to dispel
the debuff.

Healing setup in raids varies, but anything goes really in BH. As a
Holy Paladin, technically I'm a tank healer, but I can raid heal my
party just fine with Holy Radiance since we are all clumped up. Or if
raid healing on my Druid, I can still keep Lifebloom up on the tank.

It's just important in BH to discuss the dispel arrangement with the
other healer beforehand since any dispel mechanic is *such* a mana hog
(and will still "process" and deduct mana even if there is nothing to
dispel).

For a "starter" raid, it's quite hard on the healers, not because of
the healing, but because of the dispelling. I've had runs where I've
been the only dispeller. 30 dispels X 3,000 mana/dispel = Yikes City.
I can handle that now, but when my Paladin, Priest and Druid first hit
85, that was very, very rough.

--
Jill

Urbin

6/10/2011 3:22:00 PM

0

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:09:44 -0700 (PDT), neithskye wrote:
> On Jun 9, 6:53=A0am, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > There are a few things about raid healing I was wondering: in BH10 the
> > groups split up left and right. I assumed that I would heal and dispell
> > my group, the other healer would handle his group. However, every once
> > in a while i saw druid HOTs on my group members and I had to help out
> > healing and dispelling both groups.
>
> Which HoTs? Wild Growth, for example, is a "smart" heal, and prioritizes
> the raid members with lowest health. If that member was in your group,
> s/he would get the Wild Growth HoT.

Ah, that makes sense.

> > What is the usual healing setup in raids? A healer per group healing his
> > group? A tank healer and a dps healer? Something else? Different for each
> > fight? Are only healers supposed to dispel or can I expect DPS chars to
> > dispell as well?
>
> IIRC, classes that have a dispel had the magic portion of it removed
> in Cata, so Ret Paladins, for example, can now only dispel poisons and
> diseases. The ability to dispel magic is now a talent deep in the
> healer tree for each healing class, and some healers do not pick up
> that talent (for example, if they always raid with another healer who
> is the dedicated dispeller).

Ah, thanks for pointing this out. I hadn't realised that was true for all
classes. It certainly is true for my shaman, my Cleans Spirit only removes
magic when specced resto.

> Consuming Darkness is a magic debuff, not a curse. If that Druid there
> had not picked up Nature's Cure, he would not have been able to dispel
> the debuff.

Ok, so he was either badly specced or lazy :-)

> It's just important in BH to discuss the dispel arrangement with the
> other healer beforehand since any dispel mechanic is *such* a mana hog
> (and will still "process" and deduct mana even if there is nothing to
> dispel).

I should have probably whispered the other healer then. Several people
(including me) posted to /ra to give dispell priority.

> For a "starter" raid, it's quite hard on the healers, not because of
> the healing, but because of the dispelling. I've had runs where I've
> been the only dispeller. 30 dispels X 3,000 mana/dispel =3D Yikes City.
> I can handle that now, but when my Paladin, Priest and Druid first hit
> 85, that was very, very rough.

Actually, once I had realised the other healer didn't dispel, it wasn't all
that bad.

Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (65), Rogue
Mymule (83), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (85), Shaman | Vargal (41), Warrior

steve.kaye

6/10/2011 6:30:00 PM

0

On 10/06/2011 16:21, Urbin wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:09:44 -0700 (PDT), neithskye wrote:
>> IIRC, classes that have a dispel had the magic portion of it removed
>> in Cata, so Ret Paladins, for example, can now only dispel poisons and
>> diseases. The ability to dispel magic is now a talent deep in the
>> healer tree for each healing class, and some healers do not pick up
>> that talent (for example, if they always raid with another healer who
>> is the dedicated dispeller).
>
> Ah, thanks for pointing this out. I hadn't realised that was true for all
> classes. It certainly is true for my shaman, my Cleans Spirit only removes
> magic when specced resto.

Warlocks can still dispel magic with the Imp spell Singe Magic on a 6
second cooldown.

Non healing priests can still dispel magic from themselves.

steve.kaye
--
Jelan, 85 Priest Clokk, 81 Druid Belugar, 76 Warrior
Kibbs, 83 Paladin Jengu, 81 Death Knight Mingan, 76 Shaman
Miho, 82 Rogue Jaille, 80 Warlock Aloola, 65 Mage
[ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Yopp, 64 Hunter