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A different way to heal BH

John Gordon

5/3/2011 4:02:00 PM

I got in a Baradin Hold run the other day on my holy priest, and the
other healer (who was a paladin) asked me to heal the whole raid while
he healed the tanks.

I was able to do it, and most of the dispels too, but i was completely
out of mana and cooldowns at the end.

Are paladins that bad at raid healing, or was he just being lazy?

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

4 Answers

S U N risr

5/3/2011 5:34:00 PM

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John Gordon wrote:
> I got in a Baradin Hold run the other day on my holy priest, and the
> other healer (who was a paladin) asked me to heal the whole raid while
> he healed the tanks.
>
> I was able to do it, and most of the dispels too, but i was completely
> out of mana and cooldowns at the end.
>
> Are paladins that bad at raid healing, or was he just being lazy?
>

I guess the answer would also depend on who was doing the despelling, or
most of it. Were you responsible for despelling the raid and he only
the tanks? Was it split evenly? I oom'ed healing that at the halfway
point the one time I went in there on my guild alt run, but I feel one
reason is I may have disproportionately been despelling, just clicking
away when anyone lit up. I didn't realize how much mana it uses.
Needless to say, we wiped and I switched with a dps and went kitty while
he went to his heal spec. so as not to hold up the raid. My toon may
have just barely been ready, but the player was really not ready, having
healed only 3 heroics at that point. :)

John Gordon

5/3/2011 5:53:00 PM

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In <ippe14$nk3$1@dont-email.me> IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> writes:

> > Are paladins that bad at raid healing, or was he just being lazy?

> I guess the answer would also depend on who was doing the despelling, or
> most of it. Were you responsible for despelling the raid and he only
> the tanks? Was it split evenly? I oom'ed healing that at the halfway

I looked at Skada afterward and it reported 20 dispels for me and none
for anyone else, so the other healer wasn't doing any. I think skada
ignores dispels from pets, though, so maybe the warlock was having his
imp dispel a few to help me out.

> reason is I may have disproportionately been despelling, just clicking
> away when anyone lit up. I didn't realize how much mana it uses.

Yeah, dispels are a real mana hog nowadays. And it will let you cast
dispel on a target that doesn't need it, wasting even more mana.

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

S U N risr

5/3/2011 6:18:00 PM

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John Gordon wrote:
> In <ippe14$nk3$1@dont-email.me> IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> writes:
>
>>> Are paladins that bad at raid healing, or was he just being lazy?
>
>> I guess the answer would also depend on who was doing the despelling, or
>> most of it. Were you responsible for despelling the raid and he only
>> the tanks? Was it split evenly? I oom'ed healing that at the halfway
>
> I looked at Skada afterward and it reported 20 dispels for me and none
> for anyone else, so the other healer wasn't doing any. I think skada
> ignores dispels from pets, though, so maybe the warlock was having his
> imp dispel a few to help me out.
>
>> reason is I may have disproportionately been despelling, just clicking
>> away when anyone lit up. I didn't realize how much mana it uses.
>
> Yeah, dispels are a real mana hog nowadays. And it will let you cast
> dispel on a target that doesn't need it, wasting even more mana.
>

20 despells are a way disproportionate amount for you IMO, especially if
the other guys is at 0. I don't care, who might be helping out. It's
in the other healers best interest to help you out, as if you oom, and
fail the raid fails, and he wipes as well. I guess this is why usually
the normal strat is to split the raid into two 5 mans instead of the way
you did it. The way you ran it, it was a lot a heals on him healing
both tanks, and a lot on you for the raid. A bit easier with your own 5
man group to worry about. Another reason for the 2-5man groups is the
two fire phases at 66 & 33%...Must have been fun trying to watch the
fire for yourself and watch out for 7 other players dancing all over the
room in and out of range...cudos to you! :)

He probably asked to do it that way because it was easier for him as a
pally heal, just tank healing. But to not despell to help out was BS in
my opinion. There should be no reason he could not have healed his own
5-man group in the normal way most people run it...Sound to me like he
was being lazy about it....just MHO....

neithskye

5/3/2011 8:40:00 PM

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On May 3, 12:02 pm, John Gordon <gor...@panix.com> wrote:

> Are paladins that bad at raid healing, or was he just being lazy?

Paladins arguably have the worst raid heals. We have two - Holy
Radiance and Light of Dawn. Holy Radiance has a hard cooldown of 30
seconds. Light of Dawn requires Holy Power to use, and heals for more
per charge of Holy Power (a one Holy Power charge LoD does virtually
nothing).

There are few ways to generate Holy Power, including casting a heal on
your Beaconed target (but not Holy Light) and casting Holy Shock. Holy
Shock has a six-second cooldown, so simply by casting that, you'd have
an 18-second "ramp up" time for a three Holy Power LoD. Naturally you
will be casting heals on your tank, but sometimes other people need
healing, and unless you are Holy Shocking them (six-second cooldown)
you are generating no Holy Power.

That said, BH is the ideal place for Holy Paladin "raid healing" in
that we are bunched up - HR has a radius and LoD requires people to be
in a cone in front of the Paladin.

I heal BH on my Paladin just fine. I generally heal this with my resto
Druid friend and I know he is helping my group with Wild Growths, but
there's nothing that says a Paladin can't still single target heal his/
her party back up to full just fine while waiting for more Holy Power
or for HR to come off CD.

My Druid friend kicks my *ss on the healing meters for this fight;
however, he also leaves all the dispelling to me, so I guess it all
balances out.

--
Jill