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Ninja farmers on the upswing?

petertrei

2/21/2011 6:10:00 PM

Maybe its just that I do a lot more herbing than I used to (Volatile
Life -> V. Air transmute is my main money maker right now), but I
think I've seen a big upswing in ninja farmers.

There are a lot of nodes that have a mob close enough that you can't
harvest the node without aggroing the mob. Quite often my main will
fly down, engage the mob while standing up top of the node, and then
have another player immediately swoop down and harvest the node while
my character is in combat.

Needless to say, this is extremely annoying.

Anyone else want to confirm that this is happening? I have no easy
solution - perhaps the first appropriate gatherer to get within 1 yd
of a node has sole rights to it for 1 minute as long as they stay
within 5 yds, or something like that.

I doubt it will ever happen though.

pt
45 Answers

Neil Cerutti

2/21/2011 6:36:00 PM

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On 2011-02-21, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe its just that I do a lot more herbing than I used to
> (Volatile Life -> V. Air transmute is my main money maker right
> now), but I think I've seen a big upswing in ninja farmers.
>
> There are a lot of nodes that have a mob close enough that you
> can't harvest the node without aggroing the mob. Quite often my
> main will fly down, engage the mob while standing up top of the
> node, and then have another player immediately swoop down and
> harvest the node while my character is in combat.
>
> Needless to say, this is extremely annoying.

Stun or mez. Gather. Depart.

--
Neil Cerutti

petertrei

2/21/2011 6:50:00 PM

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On Feb 21, 1:36 pm, Neil Cerutti <ne...@norwich.edu> wrote:
> On 2011-02-21, Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe its just that I do a lot more herbing than I used to
> > (Volatile Life -> V. Air transmute is my main money maker right
> > now), but I think I've seen a big upswing in ninja farmers.
>
> > There are a lot of nodes that have a mob close enough that you
> > can't harvest the node without aggroing the mob. Quite often my
> > main will fly down, engage the mob while standing up top of the
> > node, and then have another player immediately swoop down and
> > harvest the node while my character is in combat.
>
> > Needless to say, this is extremely annoying.
>
> Stun or mez. Gather. Depart.

Not all of us are on PvP servers, and if the ninja doesn't flag, you
can't touch them.

pt

John Gordon

2/21/2011 6:54:00 PM

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In <8f1bfc89-0ea4-49ee-834f-2329eac0537f@y35g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

> > Stun or mez. Gather. Depart.

> Not all of us are on PvP servers, and if the ninja doesn't flag, you
> can't touch them.

Stun/fear the mob, not the ninja.

--
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gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

Neil Cerutti

2/21/2011 6:56:00 PM

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On 2011-02-21, John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> wrote:
> In <8f1bfc89-0ea4-49ee-834f-2329eac0537f@y35g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> > Stun or mez. Gather. Depart.
>
>> Not all of us are on PvP servers, and if the ninja doesn't flag, you
>> can't touch them.
>
> Stun/fear the mob, not the ninja.

Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm only assuming that every class
eventually gets enough mez to pull this off, though. My level 35
Priest would have to use Psychic Scream, which is definitely not
ideal.

--
Neil Cerutti

petertrei

2/21/2011 7:09:00 PM

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On Feb 21, 1:56 pm, Neil Cerutti <ne...@norwich.edu> wrote:
> On 2011-02-21, John Gordon <gor...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> > In <8f1bfc89-0ea4-49ee-834f-2329eac05...@y35g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >> > Stun or mez. Gather. Depart.
>
> >> Not all of us are on PvP servers, and if the ninja doesn't flag, you
> >> can't touch them.
>
> > Stun/fear the mob, not the ninja.
>
> Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm only assuming that every class
> eventually gets enough mez to pull this off, though. My level 35
> Priest would have to use Psychic Scream, which is definitely not
> ideal.

That's a good point - my main is a Holy Pally, and until very recently
didn't have much in the way of a CC spell. Since the last patch
though, things are better. I'll do that in future.

I wonder why the ninjas aren't doing the same? I've seen this mainly
in Cata zones, so it isn't like they're low level.

pt

Neil Cerutti

2/21/2011 7:23:00 PM

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On 2011-02-21, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 1:56?pm, Neil Cerutti <ne...@norwich.edu> wrote:
>> Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm only assuming that every class
>> eventually gets enough mez to pull this off, though. My level
>> 35 Priest would have to use Psychic Scream, which is
>> definitely not ideal.
>
> That's a good point - my main is a Holy Pally, and until very
> recently didn't have much in the way of a CC spell. Since the
> last patch though, things are better. I'll do that in future.
>
> I wonder why the ninjas aren't doing the same? I've seen this
> mainly in Cata zones, so it isn't like they're low level.

It's strange, but I think it just doesn't occur to people. I saw
this tip first from The Greedy Goblin, who has political reasons
for suggesting that node-ownership is a social illusion that gets
in the way of thinking up this way of avoiding ninjas.

Perhaps for the average node ninja, if he or she exists, the
perception of besting a hapless farmer is the motivation, not the
mats.

--
Neil Cerutti

Urbin

2/21/2011 7:32:00 PM

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:09:59 -0800 (PST), Cryptoengineer wrote:
> Maybe its just that I do a lot more herbing than I used to (Volatile
> Life -> V. Air transmute is my main money maker right now), but I
> think I've seen a big upswing in ninja farmers.
>
> There are a lot of nodes that have a mob close enough that you can't
> harvest the node without aggroing the mob. Quite often my main will
> fly down, engage the mob while standing up top of the node, and then
> have another player immediately swoop down and harvest the node while
> my character is in combat.

Luckily as a hunter this is a non issue. I land, dismount, send pet to mob,
pick the herb, then kill the mob. Warlocks should be able to do this as
well. I don't know if other (non-permanent) pets can do this as well
(shamans, priests, death knights, mages -> did I forget any?). Other classes
might get away with stuns, roots, etc...

> Needless to say, this is extremely annoying.

That it is.

> Anyone else want to confirm that this is happening?

I've not seen much of it. If I see someone fighting a mob near a herb I move
on. I've seen the occasional "fight" for arriving at the same node
near-simultaneously but no outright ninja gathering.

Cheers
Urbin
--
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Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (62), Rogue
Mymule (80), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (73), Shaman | Vargal (14), Warrior

steve.kaye

2/21/2011 7:46:00 PM

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On 21/02/2011 19:09, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On Feb 21, 1:56 pm, Neil Cerutti<ne...@norwich.edu> wrote:
>> On 2011-02-21, John Gordon<gor...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In<8f1bfc89-0ea4-49ee-834f-2329eac05...@y35g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Cryptoengineer<petert...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>>> Stun or mez. Gather. Depart.
>>
>>>> Not all of us are on PvP servers, and if the ninja doesn't flag, you
>>>> can't touch them.
>>
>>> Stun/fear the mob, not the ninja.
>>
>> Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm only assuming that every class
>> eventually gets enough mez to pull this off, though. My level 35
>> Priest would have to use Psychic Scream, which is definitely not
>> ideal.
>
> That's a good point - my main is a Holy Pally, and until very recently
> didn't have much in the way of a CC spell. Since the last patch
> though, things are better. I'll do that in future.
>
> I wonder why the ninjas aren't doing the same? I've seen this mainly
> in Cata zones, so it isn't like they're low level.

Aren't doing what? CCing the mob? The mob is already CCd as far as
they are concerned - you're acting as their off-tank.

steve.kaye
--
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Kibbs, 83 Paladin Jengu, 81 Death Knight Mingan, 75 Shaman
Miho, 82 Rogue Jaille, 80 Warlock Aloola, 65 Mage
[ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Yopp, 64 Hunter

evanmac69

2/21/2011 8:27:00 PM

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Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:09:59 -0800 (PST), Cryptoengineer wrote:
> > Maybe its just that I do a lot more herbing than I used to (Volatile
> > Life -> V. Air transmute is my main money maker right now), but I
> > think I've seen a big upswing in ninja farmers.
> >
> > There are a lot of nodes that have a mob close enough that you can't
> > harvest the node without aggroing the mob. Quite often my main will
> > fly down, engage the mob while standing up top of the node, and then
> > have another player immediately swoop down and harvest the node while
> > my character is in combat.
>
> Luckily as a hunter this is a non issue. I land, dismount, send pet to mob,
> pick the herb, then kill the mob. Warlocks should be able to do this as
> well. I don't know if other (non-permanent) pets can do this as well
> (shamans, priests, death knights, mages -> did I forget any?). Other classes
> might get away with stuns, roots, etc...
>
> > Needless to say, this is extremely annoying.
>
> That it is.
>
> > Anyone else want to confirm that this is happening?
>
> I've not seen much of it. If I see someone fighting a mob near a herb I move
> on. I've seen the occasional "fight" for arriving at the same node
> near-simultaneously but no outright ninja gathering.

I think that is a kind of bot, scripted to do this:

1 go near a node
2 is there a mob?
if yes goto 3
else goto 4
3 is the mob engaged in fight?
if yes goto 4
else goto 6
4 mine the node
5 wait until node respawn then start from 2
6 wait until the mob is engaged then goto 4

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petertrei

2/21/2011 8:59:00 PM

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On Feb 21, 2:46 pm, Steve Kaye <nos...@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
> On 21/02/2011 19:09, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 1:56 pm, Neil Cerutti<ne...@norwich.edu>  wrote:
> >> On 2011-02-21, John Gordon<gor...@panix.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> In<8f1bfc89-0ea4-49ee-834f-2329eac05...@y35g2000prc.googlegroups.com>  Cryptoengineer<petert...@gmail.com>  writes:
>
> >>>>> Stun or mez. Gather. Depart.
>
> >>>> Not all of us are on PvP servers, and if the ninja doesn't flag, you
> >>>> can't touch them.
>
> >>> Stun/fear the mob, not the ninja.
>
> >> Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm only assuming that every class
> >> eventually gets enough mez to pull this off, though. My level 35
> >> Priest would have to use Psychic Scream, which is definitely not
> >> ideal.
>
> > That's a good point - my main is a Holy Pally, and until very recently
> > didn't have much in the way of a CC spell. Since the last patch
> > though, things are better. I'll do that in future.
>
> > I wonder why the ninjas aren't doing the same? I've seen this mainly
> > in Cata zones, so it isn't like they're low level.
>
> Aren't doing what?  CCing the mob?  The mob is already CCd as far as
> they are concerned - you're acting as their off-tank.

Sure, once I've engaged it. But they had to wait around for a hapless
honest farmer to turn up first. It would be faster and more efficient
to cc the mob themselves. It never occured to me to cc, since for such
a long time my Holy Pally didn't have sh*t for CC.

At the current version of the game, is there any class/build that
doesn't have a single mob CC long enough to loot a node (5 seconds??)
and take off (1.5)?

pt