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Mark (newsgroups)

2/16/2011 9:41:00 PM

Update on priests. Mana cost of PW:S going up *again*.

|Since the release of patch 4.0.6, we?ve been keeping an eye on healers
|and how they are performing and are currently in the process of making
|some additional adjustments.
|
|Priests
|
|The cost of Power Word: Shield is being increased by 33%. While we
|wanted Discipline priests to be able to utilize this spell more often
|and with better results, we also did not want it to be the main spell
|(and often the only spell) used while in groups. We don?t find this to
|be a particularly compelling playstyle and have found that it
|encourages players to avoid using other spells such as Penance. We
|believe that using a shield in a tight moment is totally appropriate,
|but we don?t want it to be incredibly efficient to do so with more
|frequency than that.
|
|We realize that by making Power Word: Shield slightly more expensive
|for Discipline priests to cast that it might cause Holy priests to
|avoid using it. To that end, we are adding mana savings into the Body
|and Soul talent. The tooltip will not reflect this change until a
|future patch, however. Ideally, Holy priests should not notice much of
|a change to the Power Word: Shield costs.

So, previously I was concerned that the increase in shield cost and
sheild absorb would stop my efficient use of Rapture procs. It has to
some extent done this with shields absorbing a lot more. True, I don't
really have mana issues in heroics anymore so I can't say it's a big
deal for me, but what about new priests. They now have to pay 5100 mana
for the shield, a massive increase in cost since the release of
Cataclysm. Are Blizzard looking at the impact of these changes to entry
level gear priests? What am I saying, of course they're not. They're
just making this stuff up as they go along as evidenced by fixes to
fixes to fixes to fixes to fixes.
118 Answers

Catriona R

2/16/2011 9:49:00 PM

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:40:40 +0000, "Mark (newsgroups)"
<marknewsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Update on priests. Mana cost of PW:S going up *again*.
>
>|Since the release of patch 4.0.6, we?ve been keeping an eye on healers
>|and how they are performing and are currently in the process of making
>|some additional adjustments.
>|
>|Priests
>|
>|The cost of Power Word: Shield is being increased by 33%. While we
>|wanted Discipline priests to be able to utilize this spell more often
>|and with better results, we also did not want it to be the main spell
>|(and often the only spell) used while in groups. We don?t find this to
>|be a particularly compelling playstyle and have found that it
>|encourages players to avoid using other spells such as Penance. We
>|believe that using a shield in a tight moment is totally appropriate,
>|but we don?t want it to be incredibly efficient to do so with more
>|frequency than that.
>|
>|We realize that by making Power Word: Shield slightly more expensive
>|for Discipline priests to cast that it might cause Holy priests to
>|avoid using it. To that end, we are adding mana savings into the Body
>|and Soul talent. The tooltip will not reflect this change until a
>|future patch, however. Ideally, Holy priests should not notice much of
>|a change to the Power Word: Shield costs.
>
>So, previously I was concerned that the increase in shield cost and
>sheild absorb would stop my efficient use of Rapture procs. It has to
>some extent done this with shields absorbing a lot more. True, I don't
>really have mana issues in heroics anymore so I can't say it's a big
>deal for me, but what about new priests. They now have to pay 5100 mana
>for the shield, a massive increase in cost since the release of
>Cataclysm. Are Blizzard looking at the impact of these changes to entry
>level gear priests? What am I saying, of course they're not. They're
>just making this stuff up as they go along as evidenced by fixes to
>fixes to fixes to fixes to fixes.

But if it absorbs more it's much the same efficiency, so I can't see
the problem? Just learn to not spam it, you *are* supposed to use more
than one spell, after all. Granted I've never healed 5-mans as Disc
but I doubt I'd constantly shield anyway, it seems more suited to
keeping up on the tank, and maybe occasionally using on others. Which
I doubt is hurt by the increased cost, when it also absorbs much more
(and heals more via the glyph), since as long as you aren't spamming
it on people who don't need it, the extra absorb will make it worth
the extra mana.
--
EU-Draenor:
Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (85 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

John Gordon

2/16/2011 10:05:00 PM

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In <8s2v2hFksrU1@mid.individual.net> Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> writes:


> >|The cost of Power Word: Shield is being increased by 33%. While we

> But if it absorbs more it's much the same efficiency, so I can't see

I don't see any mention of it absorbing more.

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

steve.kaye

2/16/2011 10:13:00 PM

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On 16/02/2011 21:40, Mark (newsgroups) wrote:
> Update on priests. Mana cost of PW:S going up *again*.
>
> |Since the release of patch 4.0.6, we?ve been keeping an eye on healers
> |and how they are performing and are currently in the process of making
> |some additional adjustments.
> |
> |Priests
> |
> |The cost of Power Word: Shield is being increased by 33%. While we
> |wanted Discipline priests to be able to utilize this spell more often
> |and with better results, we also did not want it to be the main spell
> |(and often the only spell) used while in groups. We don?t find this to
> |be a particularly compelling playstyle and have found that it
> |encourages players to avoid using other spells such as Penance. We
> |believe that using a shield in a tight moment is totally appropriate,
> |but we don?t want it to be incredibly efficient to do so with more
> |frequency than that.
> |
> |We realize that by making Power Word: Shield slightly more expensive
> |for Discipline priests to cast that it might cause Holy priests to
> |avoid using it. To that end, we are adding mana savings into the Body
> |and Soul talent. The tooltip will not reflect this change until a
> |future patch, however. Ideally, Holy priests should not notice much of
> |a change to the Power Word: Shield costs.
>
> So, previously I was concerned that the increase in shield cost and
> sheild absorb would stop my efficient use of Rapture procs. It has to
> some extent done this with shields absorbing a lot more. True, I don't
> really have mana issues in heroics anymore so I can't say it's a big
> deal for me, but what about new priests. They now have to pay 5100 mana
> for the shield, a massive increase in cost since the release of
> Cataclysm. Are Blizzard looking at the impact of these changes to entry
> level gear priests? What am I saying, of course they're not. They're
> just making this stuff up as they go along as evidenced by fixes to
> fixes to fixes to fixes to fixes.

So, the spec that focuses on PW:Shield improvements and has the
description: "Uses magic to *shield* allies from taking damage as well
as heal their wounds" now has more expensive shields than the other
healing spec?

They have more than a dozen talent points that can be spent to increase
the power and utility of the spell, four of which increase the frequency
with which you can cast it. Looks like those 4 could be better spent
elsewhere at least.

I'm glad that my healing spec is Holy. It seems to be a bit more stable
at least.

steve.kaye
--
Jelan, 85 Priest Clokk, 81 Druid Belugar, 76 Warrior
Kibbs, 83 Paladin Jengu, 81 Death Knight Mingan, 75 Shaman
Miho, 82 Rogue Jaille, 80 Warlock Aloola, 65 Mage
[ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Yopp, 64 Hunter

Shiflet

2/16/2011 10:44:00 PM

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"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8s2v2hFksrU1@mid.individual.net...

> But if it absorbs more it's much the same efficiency,

Uhh, except it doesn't absorb more. They increased the absorb AND the mana
cost last time. Now they're increasing the mana cost AGAIN, but not the
amount it absorbs.


Catriona R

2/16/2011 11:00:00 PM

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:04:42 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon
<gordon@panix.com> wrote:

>In <8s2v2hFksrU1@mid.individual.net> Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> writes:
>
>
>> >|The cost of Power Word: Shield is being increased by 33%. While we
>
>> But if it absorbs more it's much the same efficiency, so I can't see
>
>I don't see any mention of it absorbing more.

Patch 4.0.6 patchnotes. It absorbs far more (basically just over
double the original amount) compared with before the patch, which was
only a week ago.
--
EU-Draenor:
Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (85 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

Shiflet

2/16/2011 11:01:00 PM

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"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8s337hFgifU1@mid.individual.net...

> Patch 4.0.6 patchnotes. It absorbs far more (basically just over
> double the original amount) compared with before the patch, which was
> only a week ago.

Yes, but the increased the mana cost when they did that, as well. Now
they're increasing it AGAIN, which means, NOT the same efficiency as it was.


Catriona R

2/16/2011 11:02:00 PM

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:43:39 -0600, "Shiflet" <rshiflet@charter.net>
wrote:

>"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:8s2v2hFksrU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>> But if it absorbs more it's much the same efficiency,
>
>Uhh, except it doesn't absorb more. They increased the absorb AND the mana
>cost last time. Now they're increasing the mana cost AGAIN, but not the
>amount it absorbs.

Yes, so it absorbs more than before the patch. Mark was complaining
about it being hard on priests who are gearing up, compared with
before the patch, and I disagree. It now absorbs more than double what
it did before the patch, and I'm pretty sure the mana increase has not
taken it to double the original cost. So... what's the problemt here?
--
EU-Draenor:
Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (85 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

Shiflet

2/16/2011 11:04:00 PM

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"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8s33biFgifU2@mid.individual.net...

> Yes, so it absorbs more than before the patch.

It already absorbed more than it did before the patch, and the mana cost was
increased to make up for that. Now the cost is being increased, again, yet
it absorbs the same as it does now. How is that the "same efficiency" as it
is now to you?

> Mark was complaining
> about it being hard on priests who are gearing up, compared with
> before the patch, and I disagree. It now absorbs more than double what
> it did before the patch, and I'm pretty sure the mana increase has not
> taken it to double the original cost.

It was already expensive before the patch, to the point that despite being
Disc's main thing, it was something they had to limit using. Now, it's gonna
cost like 7k mana a cast.


John Gordon

2/16/2011 11:13:00 PM

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In <8s337hFgifU1@mid.individual.net> Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> writes:

> >> >|The cost of Power Word: Shield is being increased by 33%. While we
> >
> >> But if it absorbs more it's much the same efficiency, so I can't see
> >
> >I don't see any mention of it absorbing more.

> Patch 4.0.6 patchnotes. It absorbs far more (basically just over
> double the original amount) compared with before the patch, which was
> only a week ago.

Patch 4.0.6 increased both the mana cost and the absorption amount.

It's my understanding that there is a post-patch hotfix which increases
the mana cost by 33% as quoted above, and does not increase the absorption
amount.

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

Shiflet

2/16/2011 11:16:00 PM

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"John Gordon" <gordon@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ijhll9$eg8$1@reader1.panix.com...

> It's my understanding that there is a post-patch hotfix which increases
> the mana cost by 33% as quoted above, and does not increase the absorption
> amount.

Correct.