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Urbin

2/12/2011 1:17:00 PM

I just saw the very first line in the patch 4.0.6 notes. I missed that on
earlier readings:

> Two new achievements have been added for earning exalted reputation with
> 45 and 50 factions respectively. The title <The Exalted> is now awarded
> for earning exalted reputation with 50 factions, up from 40.

I though that was at 45 up from 40 (I just dinged 40 exalted yesterday).
That would have put it in reach. Now I'll have to grind out another 10
factions (I only have 8 at revered currently), that will be painful.

Cheers
Urbin, devastated
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99 Answers

Catriona R

2/12/2011 1:45:00 PM

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On 12 Feb 2011 13:17:01 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>I just saw the very first line in the patch 4.0.6 notes. I missed that on
>earlier readings:
>
>> Two new achievements have been added for earning exalted reputation with
>> 45 and 50 factions respectively. The title <The Exalted> is now awarded
>> for earning exalted reputation with 50 factions, up from 40.
>
>I though that was at 45 up from 40 (I just dinged 40 exalted yesterday).
>That would have put it in reach. Now I'll have to grind out another 10
>factions (I only have 8 at revered currently), that will be painful.

Good news for you, is they're reverting it to 40, I believe - they
weren't able to let the people who already got it at 40 keep it, and
needless to say there was a lot of very angry people who lost their
titles, and seems the best solution they can do right now is revert it
to 40. Goodness knows how they thought they could just take it away
from people without them getting upset lol - didn't bother me much
since I can get it back easy enough, but for people who would need
several more, it'd be a pretty painful change!


"Recently we changed 'the Exalted' title to require 50 exalted titles
up from 40, which meant those that had achieved it were now asked to
get 10 more reputations to gain the title back. We felt this kept the
title as a difficult reward given the additional reputations
introduced with Cataclysm, and also avoided the problem of achievement
inflation as the game continues to grow, devaluing the reward.

We didn?t let people know beforehand that we were making this change.
A pretty cut and dry error on our part. We take full responsibility
for not communicating the change properly, and apologize for the
frustration it added to the situation. Unfortunately, that frustration
in some people?s cases went to an extreme. Over the past couple days
we?ve handed out innumerable suspensions to people who were unable to
stay within the forum code of conduct while posting about this change.
We of course understand passions can run hot, but some of the
violations were extreme enough to remove people?s posting privileges
permanently. It?s unfortunate because rational, calm, and constructive
posting is the type of feedback that?s taken, discussed, and can help
encourage real change. For those that were able to adhere to those
posting ideals, we truly thank you for your efforts in keeping your
cool.

We took your constructive posts and points, and after discussing the
change for quite a while with the designers, the decision has been
made to move ?the Exalted? title back to require 40 exalted
reputations. We?re going to attempt this change with a hotfix, but are
unsure at this time if it will be able to be applied through a hotfix.
It?s possible that a client patch will be required. (We?ll let you
know if it does.)

The 45 and 50 exalted reputation achievements will continue to exist,
but for the time being won?t provide anything beyond achievement
points. As some have questioned why the title isn?t grandfathered like
?the Loremaster? or ?the Explorer? titles, these function differently
mechanically. While their requirements have changed, the actual
achievement is the same. There?s no tech currently that allows us to
give a title for an achievement and then move that title to a
different achievement altogether and have people keep them. We are
however working on such a technology that will allow players to keep
items or titles associated with achievements even if we decide to
change that criteria. So, say if we eventually decide to move ?the
Exalted? title to an achievement which requires 60 reputations in the
next expansion (just as an example), players who already earned the
title at 40 reputations will get to keep the title when the criteria
changes. This technology would allow us to let players keep titles or
items they?ve already earned, while ensuring we don?t get stuck in a
position where we have to continually generate new rewards just so
those who earned them originally don?t lose them."
--
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Michael C

2/12/2011 2:07:00 PM

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>"Catriona R" wrote in message news:8rnh5iFhe3U1@mid.individual.net...
> Unfortunately, that frustration
>in some peopleâ??s cases went to an extreme. Over the past couple days
>weâ??ve handed out innumerable suspensions to people who were unable to
>stay within the forum code of conduct while posting about this change.

I thought that bit was hilarious.

Polarhound

2/12/2011 2:47:00 PM

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On 2/12/2011 9:06 AM, Michael C wrote:
>> "Catriona R" wrote in message news:8rnh5iFhe3U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Unfortunately, that frustration
>> in some peopleâ??s cases went to an extreme. Over the past couple days
>> weâ??ve handed out innumerable suspensions to people who were unable to
>> stay within the forum code of conduct while posting about this change.
>
> I thought that bit was hilarious.

They should of left it at 50, IMO.

They had previously stated that the achievement was meant to show that
someone had been doing the reps going back all the way.

Make it 50 now, then 55/60 at the next expansion, etc. Keep raising the
bar, and yes, pulling the title until people reach the updated plateau.

steve.kaye

2/12/2011 5:42:00 PM

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On 12/02/2011 14:47, Polarhound wrote:
> On 2/12/2011 9:06 AM, Michael C wrote:
>>> "Catriona R" wrote in message news:8rnh5iFhe3U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Unfortunately, that frustration
>>> in some peopleâ??s cases went to an extreme. Over the past couple days
>>> weâ??ve handed out innumerable suspensions to people who were unable to
>>> stay within the forum code of conduct while posting about this change.
>>
>> I thought that bit was hilarious.
>
> They should of left it at 50, IMO.
>
> They had previously stated that the achievement was meant to show that
> someone had been doing the reps going back all the way.
>
> Make it 50 now, then 55/60 at the next expansion, etc. Keep raising the
> bar, and yes, pulling the title until people reach the updated plateau.

I think that they should have done it like Loremaster. If you got the
title when it needed 40 reputations then you should have kept it when it
was raised to 50 (although they've said that they couldn't do that at
this time)

It would have been fine had people known that the goalpost would
regularly change and they'd have to continually work towards retaining
the title. Then they could have decided if they wanted to still put the
effort in or not with that knowledge.

I know that it's only a bit of text after your name but I really think
that it was unfair to take it off people after they did all the work to
earn it.

steve.kaye
--
Jelan, 85 Priest Clokk, 81 Druid Belugar, 76 Warrior
Kibbs, 83 Paladin Jengu, 81 Death Knight Mingan, 75 Shaman
Miho, 82 Rogue Jaille, 80 Warlock Yopp, 64 Hunter
[ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Aloola, 62 Mage

ToolPackinMama

2/12/2011 7:24:00 PM

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On 2/12/2011 9:06 AM, Michael C wrote:
>> "Catriona R" wrote in message news:8rnh5iFhe3U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Unfortunately, that frustration
>> in some peopleâ??s cases went to an extreme. Over the past couple days
>> weâ??ve handed out innumerable suspensions to people who were unable to
>> stay within the forum code of conduct while posting about this change.
>
> I thought that bit was hilarious.

They are a little too harsh with the ban hammer. I mean they do these
extremely infuriating things, and then punish loyal customers for acting
infuriated.

C J Campbell

2/12/2011 7:43:00 PM

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On 2011-02-12 11:24:08 -0800, ToolPackinMama said:

> On 2/12/2011 9:06 AM, Michael C wrote:
>>> "Catriona R" wrote in message news:8rnh5iFhe3U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Unfortunately, that frustration
>>> in some peopleâ??s cases went to an extreme. Over the past couple days
>>> weâ??ve handed out innumerable suspensions to people who were unable to
>>> stay within the forum code of conduct while posting about this change.
>>
>> I thought that bit was hilarious.
>
> They are a little too harsh with the ban hammer. I mean they do these
> extremely infuriating things, and then punish loyal customers for
> acting infuriated.

Maybe. Complaint is one thing. Abuse is quite another. Most people are
able to express displeasure without being abusive, making death
threats, and throwing tantrums. That said, perhaps some latitude should
be given for the fact that many of the banned posters were probably
children who didn't know any better. This is the way they talk in the
schoolyard, so they think it is normal.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Pete B

2/13/2011 1:25:00 AM

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In article <8rnifjFpu4U1@mid.individual.net>, juikpo@euy.neo says...
>
> >"Catriona R" wrote in message news:8rnh5iFhe3U1@mid.individual.net...
> > Unfortunately, that frustration
> >in some people?s cases went to an extreme. Over the past couple days
> >we?ve handed out innumerable suspensions to people who were unable to
> >stay within the forum code of conduct while posting about this change.
>
> I thought that bit was hilarious.

The little dictators running the place are very uptight.

Ashen Shugar

2/13/2011 2:05:00 AM

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On Feb 13, 6:42 am, C J Campbell
<christophercampbellremovet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-02-12 11:24:08 -0800, ToolPackinMama said:
>
> > On 2/12/2011 9:06 AM, Michael C wrote:
> >>> "Catriona R" wrote in messagenews:8rnh5iFhe3U1@mid.individual.net...
> >>> Unfortunately, that frustration
> >>> in some people’s cases went to an extreme. Over the past couple days
> >>> we’ve handed out innumerable suspensions to people who were unable to
> >>> stay within the forum code of conduct while posting about this change.
>
> >> I thought that bit was hilarious.
>
> > They are a little too harsh with the ban hammer.  I mean they do these
> > extremely infuriating things, and then punish loyal customers for
> > acting infuriated.
>
> Maybe. Complaint is one thing. Abuse is quite another. Most people are
> able to express displeasure without being abusive, making death
> threats, and throwing tantrums. That said, perhaps some latitude should
> be given for the fact that many of the banned posters were probably
> children who didn't know any better. This is the way they talk in the
> schoolyard, so they think it is normal.
>

Probably a good thing they learn now then, not to take their
schoolyard talk out into the real world. : )

Can hope they'd learn at least.
--
Ashen Shugar

Urbin

2/13/2011 11:53:00 AM

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 13:44:30 +0000, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On 12 Feb 2011 13:17:01 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >I just saw the very first line in the patch 4.0.6 notes. I missed that on
> >earlier readings:
> >
> >> Two new achievements have been added for earning exalted reputation with
> >> 45 and 50 factions respectively. The title <The Exalted> is now awarded
> >> for earning exalted reputation with 50 factions, up from 40.
> >
> >I though that was at 45 up from 40 (I just dinged 40 exalted yesterday).
> >That would have put it in reach. Now I'll have to grind out another 10
> >factions (I only have 8 at revered currently), that will be painful.
>
> Good news for you, is they're reverting it to 40, I believe - they
> weren't able to let the people who already got it at 40 keep it, and
> needless to say there was a lot of very angry people who lost their
> titles, and seems the best solution they can do right now is revert it
> to 40.

Ah, that is good news. I just hope that it will be awarded to me, too, as I
reached the 40 in the window when it was moved to 50 :-) Though from their
description below it seems they won't be able to tell the difference, lucky
me.

> Goodness knows how they thought they could just take it away from people
> without them getting upset

Yupp, that was either pretty thoughtless or totally naive.

[snip parts of the Blizz quote]

> We of course understand passions can run hot, but some of the
> violations were extreme enough to remove people?s posting privileges
> permanently. It?s unfortunate because rational, calm, and constructive
> posting is the type of feedback that?s taken, discussed, and can help
> encourage real change. For those that were able to adhere to those
> posting ideals, we truly thank you for your efforts in keeping your
> cool.

This should be a sticky post on every forum thread! And occasionally be
shown on the loading screen :-)

Cheers
Urbin
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Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (62), Rogue
Mymule (80), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (73), Shaman | Vargal (14), Warrior

Urbin

2/13/2011 11:55:00 AM

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:41:37 +0000, Steve Kaye wrote:
> On 12/02/2011 14:47, Polarhound wrote:
> > On 2/12/2011 9:06 AM, Michael C wrote:
> >>> "Catriona R" wrote in message news:8rnh5iFhe3U1@mid.individual.net...
> >>> Unfortunately, that frustration
> >>> in some peopleâ??s cases went to an extreme. Over the past couple days
> >>> weâ??ve handed out innumerable suspensions to people who were unable to
> >>> stay within the forum code of conduct while posting about this change.
> >>
> >> I thought that bit was hilarious.
> >
> > They should of left it at 50, IMO.
> >
> > They had previously stated that the achievement was meant to show that
> > someone had been doing the reps going back all the way.
> >
> > Make it 50 now, then 55/60 at the next expansion, etc. Keep raising the
> > bar, and yes, pulling the title until people reach the updated plateau.
>
> I think that they should have done it like Loremaster. If you got the
> title when it needed 40 reputations then you should have kept it when it
> was raised to 50 (although they've said that they couldn't do that at
> this time)

Yupp. And I guess that's what they would have done, were it technically
feasible.

Another alternative would be to leave "the exalted" at 40 and have "the
cataclysmically exalted" or some such at 50 as an additional title.

> I know that it's only a bit of text after your name but I really think
> that it was unfair to take it off people after they did all the work to
> earn it.

Absolutely. Especially after not even warning people that this would happen.
No surprise that many got upset.

Cheers
Urbin

--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (62), Rogue
Mymule (80), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (73), Shaman | Vargal (14), Warrior