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Tigers and Helicopters, Cata and Wrath?

John Gordon

1/26/2011 4:51:00 PM

Last night while waiting at the doctor's office I browsed through an issue
of Time magazine and read an interesting article about "Tiger" mothers.

A "Tiger" mother is one who places heavy demands on her children: excellent
grades at school, long hours practicing piano/violin/etc, strict
discipline, little or no "wasteful" activities (such as video games!),
and so on.

A "Tiger" mother may appear too harsh, but there is evidence that such an
upbringing can result in a child who is capable, resourceful,
self-confident, a hard worker, and generally in good shape for success as
an adult.

Another parenting style mentioned in the article was the "Helicopter"
parent who constantly hovers around their child, whisking away any
potential hardship or conflict, pampering the child, and generally making
the child's life as easy and smooth as possible.

Such a parent is seen as loving and nurturing, but it can also result in
a child who is lazy, lacking in self-confidence, unmotivated, and generally
"spoiled" and not positioned well for adult life.

Being the Wow player that I am, I saw some parallels to the Wrath and
Cataclysm expansions. Wrath was like a Helicopter: very easy heroic 5-man
dungeons, easily available epics, 30% zone buff in ICC, faceroll Naxx,
etc.

Cataclysm is more like a Tiger: hard heroics, harder raids, scarce epics.

Maybe Cataclysm is Blizzard's way of trying to be a "better parent"?

Just a random thought on a boring Wednesday morning.

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

41 Answers

Da 4 Horsemen.

1/26/2011 6:54:00 PM

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On Jan 26, 8:50 am, John Gordon <gor...@panix.com> wrote:
> Last night while waiting at the doctor's office I browsed through an issue
> of Time magazine and read an interesting article about "Tiger" mothers.
>
> A "Tiger" mother is one who places heavy demands on her children: excellent
> grades at school, long hours practicing piano/violin/etc, strict
> discipline, little or no "wasteful" activities (such as video games!),
> and so on.
>
> A "Tiger" mother may appear too harsh, but there is evidence that such an
> upbringing can result in a child who is capable, resourceful,
> self-confident, a hard worker, and generally in good shape for success as
> an adult.
>
> Another parenting style mentioned in the article was the "Helicopter"
> parent who constantly hovers around their child, whisking away any
> potential hardship or conflict, pampering the child, and generally making
> the child's life as easy and smooth as possible.
>
> Such a parent is seen as loving and nurturing, but it can also result in
> a child who is lazy, lacking in self-confidence, unmotivated, and generally
> "spoiled" and not positioned well for adult life.
>
> Being the Wow player that I am, I saw some parallels to the Wrath and
> Cataclysm expansions.  Wrath was like a Helicopter: very easy heroic 5-man
> dungeons, easily available epics, 30% zone buff in ICC, faceroll Naxx,
> etc.
>
> Cataclysm is more like a Tiger: hard heroics, harder raids, scarce epics.
>
> Maybe Cataclysm is Blizzard's way of trying to be a "better parent"?
>
> Just a random thought on a boring Wednesday morning.
>
> --
> John Gordon                   A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
> gor...@panix.com              B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
>                                 -- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

Or it could be a third parenting style; where they beat their children
like a red headed step child. I would call this the "Ike Turner "
parenting style.

Lewis

1/27/2011 8:49:00 AM

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In message <ihpjd8$jhr$1@reader1.panix.com>
John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> wrote:
> Last night while waiting at the doctor's office I browsed through an issue
> of Time magazine and read an interesting article about "Tiger" mothers.

> A "Tiger" mother is one who places heavy demands on her children: excellent
> grades at school, long hours practicing piano/violin/etc, strict
> discipline, little or no "wasteful" activities (such as video games!),
> and so on.

Is this some PC-ism for Chinese Mothers?

> A "Tiger" mother may appear too harsh, but there is evidence that such an
> upbringing can result in a child who is capable, resourceful,
> self-confident, a hard worker, and generally in good shape for success as
> an adult.

I read Amy Chua's piece in the Wall Street Journal (?) with a great deal
of interest.

> Another parenting style mentioned in the article was the "Helicopter"
> parent who constantly hovers around their child, whisking away any
> potential hardship or conflict, pampering the child, and generally making
> the child's life as easy and smooth as possible.

Ah yes, that term has been around for awhile.

> Maybe Cataclysm is Blizzard's way of trying to be a "better parent"?

In same ways they succeed, in others they are still failing miserably. I
point to my friends now level 85 mule who has completed less than 20
non-seasonal quests and has an iLevel of 80, and that only because he
was forced to spend some honor after reaching honor cap, at level 83 his
ilevel was 9.

a level 84 priest with no talent spec, no non-random pvp content done,
and only having done 2-4 random battlegrounds a day since 4.0.1 has
gained over 50 levels.

--
Man is born free, but is everywhere in chains.

PhilHibbs

1/27/2011 11:43:00 AM

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Cataclysm was "helicopter" during levelling, and suddenly switches to
"tiger" at 85 - levelling is insultingly easy and fast, heroics are a
really really hard (which is good!)

Hoofu, 85 tauren shaman, Argent Dawn (EU)

steve.kaye

1/27/2011 12:10:00 PM

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:43:17 -0800 (PST), "Hoofu&Oggie"
<snarks@gmail.com> wrote:

>Cataclysm was "helicopter" during levelling, and suddenly switches to
>"tiger" at 85 - levelling is insultingly easy and fast, heroics are a
>really really hard (which is good!)

I don't entirely agree with your leveling assessment. It was very
quick and it was quite easy but it wasn't anywhere near as easy as
WotLK leveling.

steve.kaye
--
Jelan, 85 Priest Clokk, 81 Druid Belugar, 76 Warrior
Kibbs, 83 Paladin Jengu, 81 Death Knight Mingan, 74 Shaman
Miho, 82 Rogue Jaille, 80 Warlock Yopp, 64 Hunter
[ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Aloola, 62 Mage

Urbin

1/27/2011 12:45:00 PM

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:09:35 +0000, Steve Kaye wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:43:17 -0800 (PST), "Hoofu&Oggie"
> <snarks@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Cataclysm was "helicopter" during levelling, and suddenly switches to
> >"tiger" at 85 - levelling is insultingly easy and fast, heroics are a
> >really really hard (which is good!)
>
> I don't entirely agree with your leveling assessment. It was very
> quick and it was quite easy but it wasn't anywhere near as easy as
> WotLK leveling.

I found it much easier due to the fact that there was not *one* single quest
that required a group to complete.

Cheers
Urbin

--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE) | Juran (65), Druid
Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (62), Rogue
Mymule (80), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (73), Shaman | Vargal (14), Warrior

steve.kaye

1/27/2011 12:52:00 PM

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On 27 Jan 2011 12:44:43 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:09:35 +0000, Steve Kaye wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:43:17 -0800 (PST), "Hoofu&Oggie"
>> <snarks@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Cataclysm was "helicopter" during levelling, and suddenly switches to
>> >"tiger" at 85 - levelling is insultingly easy and fast, heroics are a
>> >really really hard (which is good!)
>>
>> I don't entirely agree with your leveling assessment. It was very
>> quick and it was quite easy but it wasn't anywhere near as easy as
>> WotLK leveling.
>
>I found it much easier due to the fact that there was not *one* single quest
>that required a group to complete.

But none of the group quests in Wrath were mandatory for leveling so
they can be excluded from the comparison IMO.

(They may have been mandatory for you and your goals but they weren't
for leveling purposes)

steve.kaye
--
Jelan, 85 Priest Clokk, 81 Druid Belugar, 76 Warrior
Kibbs, 83 Paladin Jengu, 81 Death Knight Mingan, 74 Shaman
Miho, 82 Rogue Jaille, 80 Warlock Yopp, 64 Hunter
[ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Aloola, 62 Mage

S U N risr

1/27/2011 12:58:00 PM

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Urbin wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:09:35 +0000, Steve Kaye wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:43:17 -0800 (PST), "Hoofu&Oggie"
>> <snarks@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cataclysm was "helicopter" during levelling, and suddenly switches to
>>> "tiger" at 85 - levelling is insultingly easy and fast, heroics are a
>>> really really hard (which is good!)
>> I don't entirely agree with your leveling assessment. It was very
>> quick and it was quite easy but it wasn't anywhere near as easy as
>> WotLK leveling.
>
> I found it much easier due to the fact that there was not *one* single quest
> that required a group to complete.
>
> Cheers
> Urbin
>

There was *one* off the top of my head....In the Twighlight Highlands,
there is a group quest in the arena thing...forgot name. Gives out nice
starting weapons (stave at least - "The Very Manly Staff") that will
carry you through instances...

steve.kaye

1/27/2011 12:59:00 PM

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:57:46 -0500, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net>
wrote:

>Urbin wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:09:35 +0000, Steve Kaye wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:43:17 -0800 (PST), "Hoofu&Oggie"
>>> <snarks@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cataclysm was "helicopter" during levelling, and suddenly switches to
>>>> "tiger" at 85 - levelling is insultingly easy and fast, heroics are a
>>>> really really hard (which is good!)
>>> I don't entirely agree with your leveling assessment. It was very
>>> quick and it was quite easy but it wasn't anywhere near as easy as
>>> WotLK leveling.
>>
>> I found it much easier due to the fact that there was not *one* single quest
>> that required a group to complete.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Urbin
>>
>
>There was *one* off the top of my head....In the Twighlight Highlands,
>there is a group quest in the arena thing...forgot name. Gives out nice
>starting weapons (stave at least - "The Very Manly Staff") that will
>carry you through instances...

The Crucible of Carnage - it also gives a nice 1h mace with spirit on
for mace wielding healers (all of them I think)

steve.kaye
--
Jelan, 85 Priest Clokk, 81 Druid Belugar, 76 Warrior
Kibbs, 83 Paladin Jengu, 81 Death Knight Mingan, 74 Shaman
Miho, 82 Rogue Jaille, 80 Warlock Yopp, 64 Hunter
[ Ravenholdt-EU (Horde) ] Aloola, 62 Mage

Neil Cerutti

1/27/2011 1:04:00 PM

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On 2011-01-27, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:09:35 +0000, Steve Kaye wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:43:17 -0800 (PST), "Hoofu&Oggie"
>> <snarks@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Cataclysm was "helicopter" during levelling, and suddenly
>> >switches to "tiger" at 85 - levelling is insultingly easy and
>> >fast, heroics are a really really hard (which is good!)
>>
>> I don't entirely agree with your leveling assessment. It was
>> very quick and it was quite easy but it wasn't anywhere near
>> as easy as WotLK leveling.
>
> I found it much easier due to the fact that there was not *one*
> single quest that required a group to complete.

There's a fun disconnect in the BC areas. I just leveled a new
Blood Elf. The BC style zones, expecially Ghost Lands, were quite
a shock after the Undead, Gnome, and Goblin environments.

There are hardly any flight points.
There's virtually no geographical organization of quest
objectives.
The first two items combined meant a lot more wandering around.
Skull icon on bosses? No.
There are two deadly elite mobs just wandering around, sneaking
up on you, and killing you. There are at least two quests you
aren't meant to solo involving three bosses.

I was expecting my first zone after Ghost Lands to feel like easy
mode. But Azshara started off impressively bad-ass. Maybe the
itemization in Ghost Lands was sub-par.

--
Neil Cerutti

Catriona R

1/27/2011 1:30:00 PM

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On 27 Jan 2011 12:44:43 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:09:35 +0000, Steve Kaye wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:43:17 -0800 (PST), "Hoofu&Oggie"
>> <snarks@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Cataclysm was "helicopter" during levelling, and suddenly switches to
>> >"tiger" at 85 - levelling is insultingly easy and fast, heroics are a
>> >really really hard (which is good!)
>>
>> I don't entirely agree with your leveling assessment. It was very
>> quick and it was quite easy but it wasn't anywhere near as easy as
>> WotLK leveling.
>
>I found it much easier due to the fact that there was not *one* single quest
>that required a group to complete.

You didn't lvl in healer spec lol ;-) I can tell you now there's a few
I would not have been able to solo, and Twilight Highlands which I
*have* soloed so far (must be near the end) there was one I did solo
but only JUST (the dragon in the cave where you get a red dragon to
tank, failed it first time, used every mana regen buff I could think
of the 2nd time and just got it down - realising I could just ignore
the whelps helped there). Ok so insane respawn rates is a significant
part of my problem; most of the way I'd have been alright without
instarespawns (which is still an issue in Tol Barad!) but still, to me
it's felt a lot more challenging than WotLK levelling was - now in
Northrend the only times you'd be in danger of dying (outside group 5
quests, most group 2-3 are soloable if you know what you're doing) was
that ridiculous area right outside Warsong Hold where lvl 68s vs 4-5+
bugs at a time is never going to be pretty (my poor warrior died about
5 times trying to do those quests recently, bad bad choice of questing
spot to learn a new spec :-( )

My druid (really bear spec but obviously mostly questing in catform
and near enough to a dps spec) is so far having a rather easier time
in Cataclysm btw, but there's been a few he's had trouble with too -
that one in Uldum to rescue some guy from a croc pit for example -
only completed that because I came along when two Alliance were doing
it and thankfully everyone gets credit regardless of faction, so long
as they helped, I ended up with aggro and damn he hits hard, even
trying to kite with my faster runspeed wasn't helping a lot. Does feel
a lot more powerful than my priest though, I already know which
character I'll be using for any farming I want to do...!
--
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Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (85 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)