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Yarbles

1/18/2011 2:03:00 PM

Greetings -

I can't link my RET pally because I'm work but he's on Terokkar and
his name is Oflannigan.

He's level 85 and according to dungeon finder, his average level gear
item is 309. I'm seeking help because I'm dead last in DPS every time
I run an instance. He's been averaging like 3800 to 4K max on good
runs. Everybody else is like 5.5k and up.

I've distributed his RET talent points based on what I've been able to
extract from the web. Anyway, any RET pally's want to cough up their
attack rotation that they've had success with? What's embarrassing is
that I"m sure there are tons of level 80 chars w/ out the new gear
that still out DPS me. Lame.

Anyway, thanks for any advice.

Yarbles
53 Answers

Jason Tinling

1/18/2011 4:20:00 PM

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On Jan 18, 6:03 am, Yarbles <yarble...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings -
>
> I can't link my RET pally because I'm work but he's on Terokkar and
> his name is Oflannigan.
>
> He's level 85 and according to dungeon finder, his average level gear
> item is 309.  I'm seeking help because I'm dead last in DPS every time
> I run an instance.  He's been averaging like 3800 to 4K max on good
> runs.  Everybody else is like 5.5k and up.
>
> I've distributed his RET talent points based on what I've been able to
> extract from the web.  Anyway, any RET pally's want to cough up their
> attack rotation that they've had success with?  What's embarrassing is
> that I"m sure there are tons of level 80 chars w/ out the new gear
> that still out DPS me.  Lame.
>
> Anyway, thanks for any advice.
>
> Yarbles

Glyphs -

Prime - Replace Hammer of the Righteous with Glyph of Seal of Truth

Major - Glyph of Holy Wrath
Glyph of Lay on hands, Rebuke or Ascetic Crusader

Rep - Buy the Therazane shoulder enchant, put it on. Go do Mt Hyjal,
you want exalted rep, as they have nice rewards at honored, revered
and exalted. Do your Therazane dailies, nice ring waiting for you at
revered, which should be about 4-5 days away. Do Twilight Highlands,
at least the dailies, until revered for the head enchant. Then work on
Ramekhan rep. Don't touch an Earthen Ring tabard until all of your
other Cata reps are where they need to be.

Tradeskills - Level yours. Pick up mining as your second trade skill
and power level it. Leveling your BS at the same time makes sense,
otherwise drop BS and pick up another skill. JC is good, and can
level with your mining.

Enchants - Yes, have some. Even WotLK enchants are better than your
current none. Check your AH, lots of people leveling enchanting are
dumping scrolls at dirt cheap values. Haste on your cloak, stats on
chest, STR on gloves (BC enchant). Cost of mats for pre-cata enchants
are pretty well bottomed out, so get some cheap easy buffs. Buy leg
armor (even LK style). Enchant your weapon. Mats for Berserking (not
the greatest enchant at 85) should be down in the 1-200g range on the
AH. Find a friendly enchanter and tip them nicely.

Gems - Meta, even the LK crit/run speed diamond is better than an
empty slot.

Gear - Questing in Highlands will help upgrade your gear, which will
upgrade your DPS. As you power level your mining, find someone to
craft you Redsteel pieces once you're mining obsidium/elementium,
unless you can keep up your BS skill with your mining, then make your
own.

Talents: I'd take the point out of Last Word and put it in Seals of
the Pure. I'd also take the point from Selfless Healer and put it in
Communion. If you really love Selfless Healer, it's also worth
considering dropping Divine Storm, as it's currently crap DPS, and
picking up Communion that way.

Rotation - Judge, Crusader, Holy Wrath, Crusader, auto-attack/Judge,
Crusader. At 3 Holy Power, Inquisition, then Templar's Verdict at 3
HoPo until Inquisition needs to be refreshed. Exorcism on Art of War
proc and Templar's Verdict on Hand of Light procs unless Inquisition
needs refreshing. Save Zealotry for boss fights/mini-bosses, pop
Zealotry after Inquisition is up and running, and your rotation
becomes CS, Templar's Verdict, CS, TV, CS, TV, etc until Zealotry
fades. Insert Judgement as necessary to keep mana up.

Matthew

1/18/2011 4:55:00 PM

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there is a good add-on that helps out for rotation
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/clcret/download/4...


"Yarbles" <yarbles67@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:80d0941d-30ab-4d18-a4e7-9cd808a7d4b5@f35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Greetings -
>
> I can't link my RET pally because I'm work but he's on Terokkar and
> his name is Oflannigan.
>
> He's level 85 and according to dungeon finder, his average level gear
> item is 309. I'm seeking help because I'm dead last in DPS every time
> I run an instance. He's been averaging like 3800 to 4K max on good
> runs. Everybody else is like 5.5k and up.
>
> I've distributed his RET talent points based on what I've been able to
> extract from the web. Anyway, any RET pally's want to cough up their
> attack rotation that they've had success with? What's embarrassing is
> that I"m sure there are tons of level 80 chars w/ out the new gear
> that still out DPS me. Lame.
>
> Anyway, thanks for any advice.
>
> Yarbles


Jason Tinling

1/18/2011 5:04:00 PM

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Also:

http://retributionpal...

Yarbles

1/18/2011 6:32:00 PM

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I'm not gay, but i love you man! I'm printing this out, going home
tonight and getting down to business. I've been hammering on that
Earthen Ring rep and what a waste!

Anyway, thanks for giving me some vital intel and info. It's much
appreciated!

yarbles


>
> Glyphs -
>
> Prime - Replace Hammer of the Righteous with Glyph of Seal of Truth
>
> Major - Glyph of Holy Wrath
> Glyph of Lay on hands, Rebuke or Ascetic Crusader
>
> Rep - Buy the Therazane shoulder enchant, put it on.  Go do Mt Hyjal,
> you want exalted rep, as they have nice rewards at honored, revered
> and exalted.  Do your Therazane dailies, nice ring waiting for you at
> revered, which should be about 4-5 days away. Do Twilight Highlands,
> at least the dailies, until revered for the head enchant. Then work on
> Ramekhan rep.  Don't touch an Earthen Ring tabard until all of your
> other Cata reps are where they need to be.
>
> Tradeskills - Level yours.  Pick up mining as your second trade skill
> and power level it.  Leveling your BS at the same time makes sense,
> otherwise drop BS and pick up another skill.  JC is good, and can
> level with your mining.
>
> Enchants - Yes, have some.  Even WotLK enchants are better than your
> current none.  Check your AH, lots of people leveling enchanting are
> dumping scrolls at dirt cheap values.  Haste on your cloak, stats on
> chest, STR on gloves (BC enchant).  Cost of mats for pre-cata enchants
> are pretty well bottomed out, so get some cheap easy buffs.  Buy leg
> armor (even LK style).  Enchant your weapon.  Mats for Berserking (not
> the greatest enchant at 85) should be down in the 1-200g range on the
> AH.  Find a friendly enchanter and tip them nicely.
>
> Gems - Meta, even the LK crit/run speed diamond is better than an
> empty slot.
>
> Gear - Questing in Highlands will help upgrade your gear, which will
> upgrade your DPS.  As you power level your mining, find someone to
> craft you Redsteel pieces once you're mining obsidium/elementium,
> unless you can keep up your BS skill with your mining, then make your
> own.
>
> Talents: I'd take the point out of Last Word and put it in Seals of
> the Pure.  I'd also take the point from Selfless Healer and put it in
> Communion.  If you really love Selfless Healer, it's also worth
> considering dropping Divine Storm, as it's currently crap DPS, and
> picking up Communion that way.
>
> Rotation -  Judge, Crusader, Holy Wrath, Crusader, auto-attack/Judge,
> Crusader.  At 3 Holy Power, Inquisition, then Templar's Verdict at 3
> HoPo until Inquisition needs to be refreshed.  Exorcism on Art of War
> proc and Templar's Verdict on Hand of Light procs unless Inquisition
> needs refreshing.  Save Zealotry for boss fights/mini-bosses, pop
> Zealotry after Inquisition is up and running, and your rotation
> becomes CS, Templar's Verdict, CS, TV, CS, TV, etc until Zealotry
> fades.  Insert Judgement as necessary to keep mana up.

Shiflet

1/18/2011 6:43:00 PM

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"Yarbles" <yarbles67@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:80d0941d-30ab-4d18-a4e7-9cd808a7d4b5@f35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...

> I've distributed his RET talent points based on what I've been able to
> extract from the web.

You're missing a point in Communion, which is a flat 5% increased DPS
talent(2% for you only, and 3% for your entire party. You are counted as a
member of your own party so you get that boost too), in addition to
providing Replenishment. Take that point out of Last Word and put it there
instead. Also, instead of putting a point in Selfless Healer, use that point
to finish maxing out Seals of the Pure. If for some reason you really want
to keep either Last Word or Selfless Healer, take 1 of the 2 points from
Acts of Sacrifice and put it there. The main reason a Ret takes Acts of
Sacrifice is so that Cleanse can remove movement impairing effects on
yourself, and it does that with only 1 point.

Your hit rating is pretty low at 2.43%, for dungeons, you want it at around
6%, and for raiding, you want 8%. Do some reforging and/or put some hit
chants on your gear to get that up a bit. I know there's +hit enchants for
both bracers and gloves, and I believe there's one for feet as well, so you
have some choices there. On my server anyways, buying scrolls with the +50
hit chants are pretty cheap. Also, look for cheap scrolls for other chants,
too. Getting Haste on your cloak and something for your weapon shouldn't be
too costly either. And while you're at the AH, that chestpiece you're
wearing could be easily replaced by the Redsteel Breastplate, which is a
really nice piece for plate wearing DPS classes, so see if you can pick one
of those up on the cheap. And put something in that meta gem slot on your
helm. Even if the meta isn't activate, it will STILL allow you to get the
+30 strength socket bonus on the helm, which is certainly nice.

Also, you're not expertise capped, which can reduce your DPS. You're at 16
expertise, cap(for raiding) is 26(for dungeons it's around 23-ish), which
mean replacing the Glyph of Hammer of the Righteous with Glyph of Seal of
Truth would solve that problem entirely. If Expertise is not a concern,
replace Glyph of HoR with Glyph of Crusader Strike. Also, while it won't
directly affect your DPS, you'll wanna get the Glyph of Holy Wrath as one of
your majors, with HW being part of the ret rotation, being able to have it
stun more things is good. For the other major, pick up whatever suits you.
Ascetic Crusader most likely, but Lay on Hands can be , err, handy as well.
Minors also won't help your DPS but there's really no reason to not take
them.


Yarbles

1/19/2011 12:15:00 PM

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All I can say, you guys rock.

I took some fine advice that was given here (re-spec, re-glyph, some
low end enchants) and I was startled at the jump in DPS. I ran two
instances after I spent the time to do some of the tweaking mentioned
here, and bam! My dps jumped from a sad 3.8 k to a steady 4.8k. At
one point during my run through the Lost City, I was able to stay in
the 5k range but it dipped back down. Most importantly, I didn't get
any lip from the tank for not carrying my weight :)

Next step is to reforge as Shiflet suggested and cough up some doe and
get that chest piece from the AH.

The last thing I did was find the Therazane QM and get the tabard. I
was honored so I was able to purchase the shoulder enchant.

Anyway -thanks fellas. I still have tons of things to do like get a
profession, grind rep, etc., swap out the greens but what a huge
improvement in just one day.

Thanks Again,

yarbles

Shiflet

1/19/2011 12:21:00 PM

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"Yarbles" <yarbles67@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5f97c929-dc54-4bb7-8337-8f9ddc649cd5@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> All I can say, you guys rock.
>
> I took some fine advice that was given here (re-spec, re-glyph, some
> low end enchants) and I was startled at the jump in DPS. I ran two
> instances after I spent the time to do some of the tweaking mentioned
> here, and bam! My dps jumped from a sad 3.8 k to a steady 4.8k. At
> one point during my run through the Lost City, I was able to stay in
> the 5k range but it dipped back down. Most importantly, I didn't get
> any lip from the tank for not carrying my weight :)

Excellent.

> Next step is to reforge as Shiflet suggested and cough up some doe and
> get that chest piece from the AH.
>
> The last thing I did was find the Therazane QM and get the tabard. I
> was honored so I was able to purchase the shoulder enchant.

Keep in mind, the honored shoulder enchant is the weak version-there's a
better one you can get at exalted. There's also a very good DPS ring you can
get from them at revered, so be sure and get their rep up all the way.

Smid

1/19/2011 12:47:00 PM

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On Jan 19, 12:15 pm, Yarbles <yarble...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> All I can say, you guys rock.
>
> I took some fine advice that was given here (re-spec, re-glyph, some
> low end enchants) and I was startled at the jump in DPS.  I ran two
> instances after I spent the time to do some of the tweaking mentioned
> here, and bam!  My dps jumped from a sad 3.8 k to a steady 4.8k.  At
> one point during my run through the Lost City, I was able to stay in
> the 5k range but it dipped back down.  Most importantly, I didn't get
> any lip from the tank for not carrying my weight :)
>
> Next step is to reforge as Shiflet suggested and cough up some doe and
> get that chest piece from the AH.
>
> The last thing I did was find the Therazane QM and get the tabard.  I
> was honored so I was able to purchase the shoulder enchant.
>
> Anyway  -thanks fellas.  I still have tons of things to do like get a
> profession, grind rep, etc., swap out the greens but what a huge
> improvement in just one day.

One thing I'd say (and this is opinion), is that don't take a crafting
skill, such as BS... The money pit is so massive to level them, and
the rewards are not great. Take herbing instead, theres good money in
it even levelling the lower ones. Plus when I need crafted gear, I've
asked in trade with a tip and got it relatively quick.

Blizz continues to be happy that crafters are a waste a lot of money,
and only a few make "good" money at max level (sure with some buffs,
but hey gathering now even gives xp). Sure an occasional 100g tip is
nice for a top level item, but I was chucking about 2K of herbs and
ore onto the AH daily when I was levelling any of my alts.

I know this is a thorny subject, and people are proud of their
struggle and achievment of getting say a 425 BS or Tailor, but its
matter of money vs reward for me. I am not in a guild, but I know
helping guildies with crafted items has its own rewards...

Smid

Neil Cerutti

1/19/2011 1:24:00 PM

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On 2011-01-19, Yarbles <yarbles67@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anyway -thanks fellas. I still have tons of things to do like
> get a profession, grind rep, etc., swap out the greens but what
> a huge improvement in just one day.

This is awesome! I wish more good advice was followed in this
world.

--
Neil Cerutti

Neil Cerutti

1/19/2011 1:38:00 PM

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On 2011-01-19, Smid <smidscot@gmail.com> wrote:
> One thing I'd say (and this is opinion), is that don't take a
> crafting skill, such as BS... The money pit is so massive to
> level them, and the rewards are not great. Take herbing
> instead, theres good money in it even levelling the lower ones.
> Plus when I need crafted gear, I've asked in trade with a tip
> and got it relatively quick.
>
> Blizz continues to be happy that crafters are a waste a lot of
> money, and only a few make "good" money at max level (sure with
> some buffs, but hey gathering now even gives xp). Sure an
> occasional 100g tip is nice for a top level item, but I was
> chucking about 2K of herbs and ore onto the AH daily when I was
> levelling any of my alts.

Gathering is great when you're questing. It can be a bad
investment if you have to farm exclusively.

> I know this is a thorny subject, and people are proud of their
> struggle and achievment of getting say a 425 BS or Tailor, but
> its matter of money vs reward for me. I am not in a guild, but
> I know helping guildies with crafted items has its own
> rewards...

Helping guildies indescriminately is a bad idea. I even expect my
RL friends to provide mats.

The crafting guides on wow-professions give the "cheapest" way to
level. But this is assuming you just throw all your terminal
wares away--they prioritize based on low cost of materials. You
will level a whole lot more cheaply by using Lil' Sparky's
Workshop, or doing your own research, and instead building things
that sell for the most profit.

An example I can give is from Tailoring Expert, 125-200. It
directs to build 10 silk headbands. But at the same tier, you can
build Pearl Clasped Cloaks, which on my server sell for 8 gold.
Sure, the small lustrous pearl you need is rare and can be
expensive (50 silver?), but building those instead turns a big
loss into profit.

In general, most of the crafting skills can make money, even when
leveling. Or if not, you can at least somewhat limit your
expenditure by selling as much as you can on the AH. It's just
that it is server dependent, and more work. It can help a lot to
have an enchanter to help deal with supply gluts, and make the
most of non-profitable items.

--
Neil Cerutti