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evanmac69

1/17/2011 1:12:00 PM

I read somewhere over the internet that once shamans can tank (I think
that was vanilla, before paladins came into the horde), now shamans can
heal (best raid healer I saw, imho), and can succesfully dps (melee or
caster depends from spec), but...

I was thinking: with barely resetting among plate and mail mitigation,
and with some litlle change in enancement tree, maybe shaman will come
back to tanking?

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7 Answers

Shiflet

1/17/2011 1:45:00 PM

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"EvanMac" <evanmac69@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1jv8sl9.j61u2z1eco3b2N%evanmac69@gmail.com...

> I was thinking: with barely resetting among plate and mail mitigation,
> and with some litlle change in enancement tree, maybe shaman will come
> back to tanking?

Blizzard has posted, multiple times, in multiple threads on the Shaman
forums that shamans will never be tanking(at least not tanking level
appropriate content, I'm sure a level 85 shaman could tank Sunken Temple
just fine). Maybe one day they'll change their minds, but if so, it's
certainly not going to be anytime soon.

Polarhound

1/17/2011 10:18:00 PM

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On 1/17/2011 8:11 AM, EvanMac wrote:
> I read somewhere over the internet that once shamans can tank (I think
> that was vanilla, before paladins came into the horde), now shamans can
> heal (best raid healer I saw, imho), and can succesfully dps (melee or
> caster depends from spec), but...
>
> I was thinking: with barely resetting among plate and mail mitigation,
> and with some litlle change in enancement tree, maybe shaman will come
> back to tanking?
>

Zero chance.

ASKF

1/18/2011 2:38:00 AM

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EvanMac ytrede sig i <1jv8sl9.j61u2z1eco3b2N%evanmac69@gmail.com> med
dette:

>I read somewhere over the internet that once shamans can tank (I think
>that was vanilla, before paladins came into the horde), now shamans can
>heal (best raid healer I saw, imho), and can succesfully dps (melee or
>caster depends from spec), but...
>
>I was thinking: with barely resetting among plate and mail mitigation,
>and with some litlle change in enancement tree, maybe shaman will come
>back to tanking?

Shamans have never really been able to tank.

They could off-tank a bit in vanilla 5 and 10 instances, but only at few
encounters. For raids they were only allowed a spot as healer.

The use of Rockbiter Weapon and Earth Shock (both generating extra
threat), was barely enough to hold aggro off a healer, so it was common
for Shaman off-tanks to self-heal, and just keep the mob occupied till
the group was ready to deal with it.
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus

steve.kaye

1/18/2011 7:18:00 AM

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On 18/01/2011 02:38, ASKF wrote:
> EvanMac ytrede sig i<1jv8sl9.j61u2z1eco3b2N%evanmac69@gmail.com> med
> dette:
>
>> I read somewhere over the internet that once shamans can tank (I think
>> that was vanilla, before paladins came into the horde), now shamans can
>> heal (best raid healer I saw, imho), and can succesfully dps (melee or
>> caster depends from spec), but...
>>
>> I was thinking: with barely resetting among plate and mail mitigation,
>> and with some litlle change in enancement tree, maybe shaman will come
>> back to tanking?
>
> Shamans have never really been able to tank.
>
> They could off-tank a bit in vanilla 5 and 10 instances, but only at few
> encounters. For raids they were only allowed a spot as healer.
>
> The use of Rockbiter Weapon and Earth Shock (both generating extra
> threat), was barely enough to hold aggro off a healer, so it was common
> for Shaman off-tanks to self-heal, and just keep the mob occupied till
> the group was ready to deal with it.

It was viable for them to main tank in lower level Vanilla instances.
I've healed for a Shaman tank in ZF for example and she coped well.

steve.kaye
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Kibbs, 83 Paladin Clokk, 81 Druid Mingan, 74 Shaman
Miho, 82 Rogue Jaille, 80 Warlock Yopp, 64 Hunter

deathsabyss

1/18/2011 1:21:00 PM

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I think it was Steve Kaye <nospam@giddy-kippers.co.uk> that wrote
something like...

>On 18/01/2011 02:38, ASKF wrote:
>> EvanMac ytrede sig i<1jv8sl9.j61u2z1eco3b2N%evanmac69@gmail.com> med
>> dette:
>>
>>> I read somewhere over the internet that once shamans can tank (I think
>>> that was vanilla, before paladins came into the horde), now shamans can
>>> heal (best raid healer I saw, imho), and can succesfully dps (melee or
>>> caster depends from spec), but...
>>>
>>> I was thinking: with barely resetting among plate and mail mitigation,
>>> and with some litlle change in enancement tree, maybe shaman will come
>>> back to tanking?
>>
>> Shamans have never really been able to tank.
>>
>> They could off-tank a bit in vanilla 5 and 10 instances, but only at few
>> encounters. For raids they were only allowed a spot as healer.
>>
>> The use of Rockbiter Weapon and Earth Shock (both generating extra
>> threat), was barely enough to hold aggro off a healer, so it was common
>> for Shaman off-tanks to self-heal, and just keep the mob occupied till
>> the group was ready to deal with it.
>
>It was viable for them to main tank in lower level Vanilla instances.
>I've healed for a Shaman tank in ZF for example and she coped well.
>
>steve.kaye

When exactly was that though? With the changes to talents tree's and
item stats and such, it's seemed to me that characters of a given
level are stronger than they were 2 or 3 expansions ago.

Leveling an alt during Wrath, I was in a couple of Mara and a ST run
where a Boomkin was tanking in Boomkin form. Granted I couldn't say
whether or not that might have been possible during vanilla but my
feeling is not. At least not unless everyone was over-leveling the
instance by a bit.
Though I do recall a shadow lab's run in the room just before the "Fun
Time" boss where a Shaman was able to finish off tanking a pull after
the tank had gone down with 2 or 3 mobs left.


Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!

steve.kaye

1/18/2011 1:35:00 PM

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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:20:47 GMT, deathsabyss@yahoo.com.au (Ashen
Shugar) wrote:

>I think it was Steve Kaye <nospam@giddy-kippers.co.uk> that wrote
>something like...
>
>>On 18/01/2011 02:38, ASKF wrote:
>>> EvanMac ytrede sig i<1jv8sl9.j61u2z1eco3b2N%evanmac69@gmail.com> med
>>> dette:
>>>
>>>> I read somewhere over the internet that once shamans can tank (I think
>>>> that was vanilla, before paladins came into the horde), now shamans can
>>>> heal (best raid healer I saw, imho), and can succesfully dps (melee or
>>>> caster depends from spec), but...
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking: with barely resetting among plate and mail mitigation,
>>>> and with some litlle change in enancement tree, maybe shaman will come
>>>> back to tanking?
>>>
>>> Shamans have never really been able to tank.
>>>
>>> They could off-tank a bit in vanilla 5 and 10 instances, but only at few
>>> encounters. For raids they were only allowed a spot as healer.
>>>
>>> The use of Rockbiter Weapon and Earth Shock (both generating extra
>>> threat), was barely enough to hold aggro off a healer, so it was common
>>> for Shaman off-tanks to self-heal, and just keep the mob occupied till
>>> the group was ready to deal with it.
>>
>>It was viable for them to main tank in lower level Vanilla instances.
>>I've healed for a Shaman tank in ZF for example and she coped well.
>>
>>steve.kaye
>
>When exactly was that though? With the changes to talents tree's and
>item stats and such, it's seemed to me that characters of a given
>level are stronger than they were 2 or 3 expansions ago.

It was late in vanilla.


>Leveling an alt during Wrath, I was in a couple of Mara and a ST run
>where a Boomkin was tanking in Boomkin form. Granted I couldn't say
>whether or not that might have been possible during vanilla but my
>feeling is not. At least not unless everyone was over-leveling the
>instance by a bit.

How do you tank in Boomkin form? Ok, you've got the armour but how do
you maintain threat on the primary target? I can see it working for
the second, third to kill etc if you aoe because you'll have a threat
lead by the time the DPS get to them. I just don't see how they can
keep control of the first mob to die in a pack. To do that
effectively they'd have to do more DPS than the best of the DPS whilst
doing enough aoe to keep the other mobs off the healer.


>Though I do recall a shadow lab's run in the room just before the "Fun
>Time" boss where a Shaman was able to finish off tanking a pull after
>the tank had gone down with 2 or 3 mobs left.

:) Shadow Labs was one of my favourite instances in TBC*. I really
liked Steamvault too.

* Despite my healer getting ganked by the stealthed assassins in the
fun time boss's room more than once.

steve.kaye
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Ravenholdt-EU (Horde)
Jelan, 85 Priest Jengu, 81 Death Knight Belugar, 76 Warrior
Kibbs, 83 Paladin Clokk, 81 Druid Mingan, 74 Shaman
Miho, 82 Rogue Jaille, 80 Warlock Yopp, 64 Hunter

deathsabyss

1/18/2011 2:04:00 PM

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I think it was Steve Kaye <nospam@giddy-kippers.co.uk> that wrote
something like...

>>Leveling an alt during Wrath, I was in a couple of Mara and a ST run
>>where a Boomkin was tanking in Boomkin form. Granted I couldn't say
>>whether or not that might have been possible during vanilla but my
>>feeling is not. At least not unless everyone was over-leveling the
>>instance by a bit.
>
>How do you tank in Boomkin form? Ok, you've got the armour but how do
>you maintain threat on the primary target? I can see it working for
>the second, third to kill etc if you aoe because you'll have a threat
>lead by the time the DPS get to them. I just don't see how they can
>keep control of the first mob to die in a pack. To do that
>effectively they'd have to do more DPS than the best of the DPS whilst
>doing enough aoe to keep the other mobs off the healer.

Barkskin and Hurricane to start most pulls I believe it was though
even without Barkskin that gives a good lead in threat on all the mobs
to prevent healing agro.
I didn't actually look that closely at what they were doing though
since my druid's unlikely to ever be anything other than a tank and a
healer unless they let us buy a 3rd spec.
Still healing threat is divided over all the mobs in the pull, and I
think I recall reading that 1 point of healing is only as much threat
as 2 points of damage unless you're a pally where it's only as much
threat as 4 points and that's before threat modifiers from talents,
etc come into it. So, with healing being that much less threat than
damage and also then being further divided over all the mobs, and as
the boomkin has about as much armor as a bear (or did), they didn't
require all *that* much healing, so the initial hurricane may well
have been enough to cover the healing threat.

As for the other dps, well, I believe boomkin's are quite capable of
putting out plenty of dps, throw in their head start from being the
ones pulling the mobs and the extra % of threat required to pull agro
off someone else and they had a decent chance of holding agro. I even
think I recall see'ing a talent in their boomkin tree back then that
seemed to help tank in boomkin form. (maybe have been more of a pvp
oriented talent maybe?)

Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!