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Crazy

1/13/2011 9:05:00 AM

hi all,
decided to level my 80 druid to 85 as feral, but i have huge problems
killing anything that attacks me.
it is a bit better whan I attack first from behind, but when any mob attacks
me I am dead very fast.

just to know what i am doing:
mangle
savage roar
rake
shred x3
rip

tiger fury when needed for energy
and I am dead and mob is at 80% (talking about same level mob than me)

any advise?


7 Answers

Catriona R

1/13/2011 9:28:00 AM

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:04:45 +0100, "Crazy" <wex10000@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>hi all,
>decided to level my 80 druid to 85 as feral, but i have huge problems
>killing anything that attacks me.
>it is a bit better whan I attack first from behind, but when any mob attacks
>me I am dead very fast.
>
>just to know what i am doing:
>mangle
>savage roar
>rake
>shred x3
>rip
>
>tiger fury when needed for energy
>and I am dead and mob is at 80% (talking about same level mob than me)
>
>any advise?

You must have terrible gear if that's the case. My druid just does
feral faerie fire, mangle, rake, mangle (1,2,3 times depending how
many are needed to reach 5 combo points) and ferocious bite - I have
tigers fury macroed to mangle to make sure I actually use it (and yes
I know cats are more about bleeds but I find bleeds too fiddly to set
up so I just play it like a combat rogue, works for me!). Half the
time the mob's dead before I can bite and I'm on full health - I only
go below full health if there's 2-3 mobs on me.

Are you actually using a feral spec and feral gear (agility/stamina
priority stats)? Can't really imagine how you'd be struggling quite so
badly against same lvl mobs with a suitable build and gear set, at
least if you're still 80, can understand issues by the time you reach
85. I didn't start with amazing gear either, was all tank orientated
so had rather less straight damage on it than average - I'm reforging
to dodge instead of crit as well, and still using my tank build so
catform shouldn't be that overpowered for me compared with a properly
specced cat.

If you can link your armory profile I may be able to make more
suggestions, sounds like either a gear or a build issue - if your gear
is really bad it could be worth getting some greens off the auction
house. I certainly found even when I first set foot in Hyjal that I
really had no trouble at all; ok I was in decentish gear but hardly
amazing (hadn't played the character properly since early WotLK days
so was in mainly ilvl 200 epics, which Cataclysm greens easily destroy
- just a few of the new greens will put you above my starting gear
level)
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ScottM

1/13/2011 12:54:00 PM

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+1 on the gear / spec issue. My druid really didn't have much problem
with same-level mobs since they're kinda OP ATM. He'd hit FF, big
bleed ability, (having a brain spasm atm... playing my priest right
now), Mangle X2, Rip, tap foot, wait to loot. I just do what he did
for heroics... if he didn't keep Rip and the bleed up his DPS went in
the toilet. Shred rocks, but most of the 1 v 1 stuff isn't from
behind.

ting

1/13/2011 5:53:00 PM

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On Jan 13, 4:04 am, "Crazy" <wex10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> hi all,
> decided to level my 80 druid to 85 as feral, but i have huge problems
> killing anything that attacks me.
> it is a bit better whan I attack first from behind, but when any mob attacks
> me I am dead very fast.
>
> just to know what i am doing:
> mangle
> savage roar
> rake
> shred x3
> rip
>
> tiger fury when needed for energy
> and I am dead and mob is at 80% (talking about same level mob than me)
>
> any advise?

It's probably a gear problem, or else you forgot to set your talents
correctly. However...

Why are you shredding? It is nearly impossible to shred while soloing,
since you can only shred when behind a mob. You'll only get a shred
off after a pounce or after a maim, and chances are, you'll only get a
single shred off before the mob turns towards you. Because of this, I
rarely ever use shred. I just faerie fire, mangle, rake, mangle spam,
finishing move (bite, rip, or maim). I don't even put up savage roar,
because the mob dies too quickly.

Next, stealth is usually bad for leveling as it slows you down 99% of
the time. Even though you get a freebie pounce stun, the time it takes
to stealth up to a mob will slow down your leveling. It's far faster
to just 310% flight form to your next mob and shift to cat form when
you are almost within melee range (to give you a second to account for
the post shift global cooldown). Alternately, kitty feral charge,
mangle, ravage is a nice opening combo too, if the next mob is in
feral charge range. The only time I stealth is when I need to take on
two mobs at once, so I can pounce stun one of them.

Finally, note that leveling specs tend to be different than end game
specs. For example, you rarely end up shredding, so there's no need to
boost your shred via talents. Also, certain PvP utility talents come
in quite handy - predatory strikes, infected wounds, and nurturing
instinct come to mind. Predatory strikes + nurturing instincts means
instant cast, big healing touches after every maim, which means you
are always at full health (I ended up using maim + healing touch more
than ferocious bite at level 84). Infected wounds means mobs flee at
50% speed, which makes it easy to deal with runners, plus infected
mobs attack slower, so they end up doing 20% less damage to you.
--
// T.Hsu

Catriona R

1/13/2011 6:21:00 PM

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:52:49 -0800 (PST), ting@thsu.org wrote:

>Next, stealth is usually bad for leveling as it slows you down 99% of
>the time. Even though you get a freebie pounce stun, the time it takes
>to stealth up to a mob will slow down your leveling. It's far faster
>to just 310% flight form to your next mob and shift to cat form when
>you are almost within melee range (to give you a second to account for
>the post shift global cooldown). Alternately, kitty feral charge,
>mangle, ravage is a nice opening combo too, if the next mob is in
>feral charge range. The only time I stealth is when I need to take on
>two mobs at once, so I can pounce stun one of them.

Yeah I sometimes stealth if I feel like charge, pounce, shred a couple
of times, but that's generally just on mobs with higher health, or
casters (especially casters who frostbolt), normal mobs it's easiest
to pull with faerie fire and get on with nuking.

>Finally, note that leveling specs tend to be different than end game
>specs. For example, you rarely end up shredding, so there's no need to
>boost your shred via talents. Also, certain PvP utility talents come
>in quite handy - predatory strikes, infected wounds, and nurturing
>instinct come to mind. Predatory strikes + nurturing instincts means
>instant cast, big healing touches after every maim, which means you
>are always at full health (I ended up using maim + healing touch more
>than ferocious bite at level 84). Infected wounds means mobs flee at
>50% speed, which makes it easy to deal with runners, plus infected
>mobs attack slower, so they end up doing 20% less damage to you.

Or just get glyph of rake, then they don't flee ;-) Though I have
infected wounds too since I solo in my tank spec (I do *have* a cat
spec but meh, for all the difference, I can never be bothered
switching :-P)
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ting

1/13/2011 7:46:00 PM

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On Jan 13, 1:21 pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> Or just get glyph of rake, then they don't flee ;-) Though I have
> infected wounds too since I solo in my tank spec (I do *have* a cat
> spec but meh, for all the difference, I can never be bothered
> switching :-P)

Infected wounds is such a useful talent that I wouldn't disparage any
feral druid from taking it, even if they are purely PvE cat focused.

As for the major glyph of rake, there are far more useful glyphs to
pick up, especially for any druid with infected wounds, because so few
mobs actually flee. I leveled with maul, faerie fire, and feral charge
for my major glyphs, with maybe entangling roots instead of faerie
fire for part the time. Faster charge = faster soloing. Longer range
faerie fire = faster soloing. Maul = faster multi-mob kills.

I have to say though, I would use my secondary spec for something
completely different, like a moonkin spec or a resto spec, for those
few times where it's easier to deal with the situation from range (I
went with a resto secondary). A hybrid bear/cat spec, even if it's
tilted towards bear, works just fine for leveling purposes, even when
you're tanking a 5 man. You don't need a real tank spec until you hit
85 heroics.
--
// T.Hsu

Catriona R

1/13/2011 7:49:00 PM

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:46:19 -0800 (PST), ting@thsu.org wrote:

>On Jan 13, 1:21 pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> Or just get glyph of rake, then they don't flee ;-) Though I have
>> infected wounds too since I solo in my tank spec (I do *have* a cat
>> spec but meh, for all the difference, I can never be bothered
>> switching :-P)
>
>Infected wounds is such a useful talent that I wouldn't disparage any
>feral druid from taking it, even if they are purely PvE cat focused.
>
>As for the major glyph of rake, there are far more useful glyphs to
>pick up, especially for any druid with infected wounds, because so few
>mobs actually flee. I leveled with maul, faerie fire, and feral charge
>for my major glyphs, with maybe entangling roots instead of faerie
>fire for part the time. Faster charge = faster soloing. Longer range
>faerie fire = faster soloing. Maul = faster multi-mob kills.

Makes sense, it's just a holdover from WotLK really, and frankly I
don't charge that much anyway!

>I have to say though, I would use my secondary spec for something
>completely different, like a moonkin spec or a resto spec, for those
>few times where it's easier to deal with the situation from range (I
>went with a resto secondary). A hybrid bear/cat spec, even if it's
>tilted towards bear, works just fine for leveling purposes, even when
>you're tanking a 5 man. You don't need a real tank spec until you hit
>85 heroics.

Yeah but I can't be bothered carrying two totally different sets of
gear, I've got a troll druid for caster druidy stuff :-)
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Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

Polarhound

1/13/2011 10:35:00 PM

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On 1/13/2011 4:04 AM, Crazy wrote:
> hi all,
> decided to level my 80 druid to 85 as feral, but i have huge problems
> killing anything that attacks me.
> it is a bit better whan I attack first from behind, but when any mob attacks
> me I am dead very fast.
>
> just to know what i am doing:
> mangle
> savage roar
> rake
> shred x3
> rip
>
> tiger fury when needed for energy
> and I am dead and mob is at 80% (talking about same level mob than me)
>
> any advise?
>
>

For what you need to use to get shred off when solo, it takes much
longer and uses much more energy to get the same damage output.

Savage Roar is also less useful than before, as it only buffs white
damage now. The best time to use it is when you have combo points left
over AFTER a mob dies; you can pop the skill once out of combat and have
it already ticking when you pull the next mob.

I recently brought several druids of various gear levels up through
leveling with no problem. Your priority should be to pull with FFF
(preferably talented to give 12% debuff with a single application),
Mangle, Rake, Mangle/Rip depending on CP level, then just Mangle from
then on out. TF is best used after the 2nd mangle in this case.

For higher HP/level mobs, you want to have SR already ticking if
possible, then FFF pull, Mangle, Rake, Rip, pop TF, pop Beserk, and go
to town on the Mangles.

As for dying when mob is still at 80%, it sounds like you may have not
reset and replaced your talent points and glyphs before venturing out.
When Cata hit, they all got wiped/replaced and need to be reapplied.