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nuts

1/7/2011 7:09:00 PM

I'm talking about the spear-armed goblins in the east wing, the one
leading to the third - optional - boss in hc mode.
there's a first pack of two - easy
a second pack of five - hard
a third pack waiting together with a giant mob - very hard, but
doable.

then a fourth pack of 7/8 goblins just before the two giant mobs
leading to the boss room. They throw spears (arrows?) but also have a
kind of avalanche attack that knocks you back.

First try (as a Tank), I dive in and try to AoE them. I die instantly.
The rest of the group somehow manage to kill'em before I'm back

Second try: I ask the group whet to do. They say: "we will fear, you
just go and aggro 'em". So I do, and die instantly.

Have you seen other tanks doing this pack? :)

18 Answers

John Gordon

1/7/2011 7:13:00 PM

In <0roei6dmtrugblh3av6i7qpt86panjjbdi@4ax.com> nuts <despammed@nu.re> writes:

> First try (as a Tank), I dive in and try to AoE them. I die instantly.

Yeah, that pack hits really hard. Did you pop a cooldownn before
diving in? (Shield Wall, Barkskin, etc.)

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Catriona R

1/7/2011 8:33:00 PM

On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:09:21 +0100, nuts <despammed@nu.re> wrote:

>I'm talking about the spear-armed goblins in the east wing, the one
>leading to the third - optional - boss in hc mode.
>there's a first pack of two - easy
>a second pack of five - hard
>a third pack waiting together with a giant mob - very hard, but
>doable.
>
>then a fourth pack of 7/8 goblins just before the two giant mobs
>leading to the boss room. They throw spears (arrows?) but also have a
>kind of avalanche attack that knocks you back.
>
>First try (as a Tank), I dive in and try to AoE them. I die instantly.
>The rest of the group somehow manage to kill'em before I'm back
>
>Second try: I ask the group whet to do. They say: "we will fear, you
>just go and aggro 'em". So I do, and die instantly.
>
>Have you seen other tanks doing this pack? :)

My only experience of them was on normal, group of us never done the
place, tank had seen it but not been tank before... pulled first group
"omg the tank's almost dead, argh!" Pop Guardian spirit,
hyperventilate, get the tank healed up and.. phew. Next pull, had a
massive heal queued up, tank still went down to 50% but better, so on
and so forth. Just blew every possible cooldown eveyr time possible
till we got through it; I was shocked we made it without anyone dying
frankly; I was sure I'd not be able to keep the tank up with whatever
it is those gilblins do that hits so hard! Presumably use of CC would
help? I think we'd have tried that if we'd failed any group but we
JUST made it through without. I'd be terrified of trying to heal that
bit on heroic :-P
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Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (82 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

Ashen Shugar

1/7/2011 8:39:00 PM

On Jan 8, 6:09 am, nuts <despam...@nu.re> wrote:
> I'm talking about the spear-armed goblins in the east wing, the one
> leading to the third - optional - boss in hc mode.
> there's a first pack of two - easy
> a second pack of five - hard
> a third pack waiting together with a giant mob - very hard, but
> doable.
>
> then a fourth pack of 7/8 goblins just before the two giant mobs
> leading to the boss room. They throw spears (arrows?) but also have a
> kind of avalanche attack that knocks you back.
>
> First try (as a Tank), I dive in and try to AoE them. I die instantly.
> The rest of the group somehow manage to kill'em before I'm back
>
> Second try: I ask the group whet to do. They say: "we will fear, you
> just go and aggro 'em". So I do, and die instantly.
>
> Have you seen other tanks doing this pack? :)

Just went through there last night tanking on my druid. They didn't
seem all that hard. Granted on a 13" macbook screen with me already
being half asleep I couldn't tell all that well what was going on, so
I may not have had agro on all of them all the time. But no body died
and the healer didn't seem to need to stop and drink after the fight
(81 Shaman), so...

If the dps were surviving having agro on a few of them yet you in tank
gear weren't surviving having agro on all of them, I'd first wonder
what your gear is like. And what level your character is. You're
weren't getting surround by them and unable to dodge/parry/block half
their attacks were you?
The healer had been ready when you pulled them right? They hadn't
been standing too far back and had you charge in to the mobs and out
of range of them?
You hadn't accidently switched to a dps or healing set of gear had
you?

--
Ashen Shugar

Catriona R

1/7/2011 8:54:00 PM

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:38:56 -0800 (PST), Ashen Shugar
<deathsabyss@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>If the dps were surviving having agro on a few of them yet you in tank
>gear weren't surviving having agro on all of them, I'd first wonder
>what your gear is like. And what level your character is. You're
>weren't getting surround by them and unable to dodge/parry/block half
>their attacks were you?
>The healer had been ready when you pulled them right? They hadn't
>been standing too far back and had you charge in to the mobs and out
>of range of them?
>You hadn't accidently switched to a dps or healing set of gear had
>you?

It's not a tank problem - having healed the place I can tell you those
mobs open with something massive - they're fine after whatever the
opening attack is, but it's so massive it can almost kill a tank - if
it *does* kill the tank, then sure, the dpsers can tank the mobs,
since they're not doing their huge dmg attack any more! I can only
assume you were using cc if as tank you weren't being hit hard! Or you
had way higher health than the tank I did it with :-P

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40943... - there, 5 of those nice
10k tsunamis going off at once on a 52k health tank, was why I was
practically having heartattacks there. Many times a 40k version of
heroic = oneshotted tank, nothing they can do! Pop any defensive cds
possible I guess, if I'm right in thinking nuts is a DK, anti magic
shell may be a decent soloution, spellreflect for warriors...
paladins and druids, um... pop cds I suppose.
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EU-Draenor:
Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (82 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

Jason Tinling

1/7/2011 9:39:00 PM

On Jan 7, 12:54 pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>
> http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40943#... there, 5 of those nice
> 10k tsunamis going off at once on a 52k health tank, was why I was
> practically having heartattacks there. Many times a 40k version of
> heroic = oneshotted tank, nothing they can do! Pop any defensive cds
> possible I guess, if I'm right in thinking nuts is a DK, anti magic
> shell may be a decent soloution, spellreflect for warriors...
> paladins and druids, um... pop cds I suppose.
> --
> EU-Draenor:
> Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
> Tairbh (82 Tauren Druid)
> Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
> Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
> Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

The hunters packed with the mages have a similar attack, a poison
spear that does 10k (40k heroic) instant and another 10k (40k) DOT of
nature damage over 10 sec.

nuts

1/7/2011 10:15:00 PM

On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:54:27 +0000, Catriona R
<catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40943... - there, 5 of those nice
>10k tsunamis going off at once on a 52k health tank, was why I was
>practically having heartattacks there. Many times a 40k version of
>heroic = oneshotted tank, nothing they can do! Pop any defensive cds
>possible I guess, if I'm right in thinking nuts is a DK, anti magic
>shell may be a decent soloution, spellreflect for warriors...
>paladins and druids, um... pop cds I suppose.

Gee, thanks Catriona!
"they can easily wipe out the entire group in a matter of seconds with
their Tsunami spell, should more than one of them decide to cast it
simultaneously."
Hrm, so it's been also a matter of bad luck :D

Strangulate on one + Anti-Magic Shell is probably the way to go, I
have around 140KHp so it should be able to absorb 70K damage. Hope
it's enough.

nuts

1/7/2011 10:26:00 PM

Catriona R

1/7/2011 10:27:00 PM

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:39:10 -0800 (PST), Jason Tinling
<jason.tinling@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 7, 12:54 pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40943#... there, 5 of those nice
>> 10k tsunamis going off at once on a 52k health tank, was why I was
>> practically having heartattacks there. Many times a 40k version of
>> heroic = oneshotted tank, nothing they can do! Pop any defensive cds
>> possible I guess, if I'm right in thinking nuts is a DK, anti magic
>> shell may be a decent soloution, spellreflect for warriors...
>> paladins and druids, um... pop cds I suppose.
>
>The hunters packed with the mages have a similar attack, a poison
>spear that does 10k (40k heroic) instant and another 10k (40k) DOT of
>nature damage over 10 sec.

Aha, all the more dangerous then. I didn't really understand what was
going on, just it was very clear it was massive damage frontloaded, if
the tank survived that we were fine. It's a big "if" as to whether the
tank survives though!
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EU-Draenor:
Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (82 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

Ashen Shugar

1/8/2011 12:20:00 AM

On Jan 8, 7:54 am, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:38:56 -0800 (PST), Ashen Shugar
>
> <deathsab...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >If the dps were surviving having agro on a few of them yet you in tank
> >gear weren't surviving having agro on all of them, I'd first wonder
> >what your gear is like. And what level your character is. You're
> >weren't getting surround by them and unable to dodge/parry/block half
> >their attacks were you?
> >The healer had been ready when you pulled them right? They hadn't
> >been standing too far back and had you charge in to the mobs and out
> >of range of them?
> >You hadn't accidently switched to a dps or healing set of gear had
> >you?
>
> It's not a tank problem - having healed the place I can tell you those
> mobs open with something massive - they're fine after whatever the
> opening attack is, but it's so massive it can almost kill a tank - if
> it *does* kill the tank, then sure, the dpsers can tank the mobs,
> since they're not doing their huge dmg attack any more! I can only
> assume you were using cc if as tank you weren't being hit hard! Or you
> had way higher health than the tank I did it with :-P
>
> http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40943#... there, 5 of those nice
> 10k tsunamis going off at once on a 52k health tank, was why I was
> practically having heartattacks there. Many times a 40k version of
> heroic = oneshotted tank, nothing they can do! Pop any defensive cds
> possible I guess, if I'm right in thinking nuts is a DK, anti magic
> shell may be a decent soloution, spellreflect for warriors...
> paladins and druids, um... pop cds I suppose.

Ahh, sounds like I've been lucky then. My bear was almost 62k health
unbuffed and I think my warrior was similar when she tanked through
there.
I was too tired from work to probably notice if my health had taken
any major hits. The rogue in the party seemed to be a good one and
quite likely kicked a bunch of Tsunami's. I can probably check as
Recount likely still has the data from that run. Throw in the
Shaman's totem buffing our resistances and we were probably in a good
position to survive okay. Regular anyway. Heroic is sounding a bit
scary. ; )

--
Ashen Shugar

Catriona R

1/8/2011 1:11:00 PM

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:20:15 -0800 (PST), Ashen Shugar
<deathsabyss@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>On Jan 8, 7:54 am, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:38:56 -0800 (PST), Ashen Shugar
>>
>> <deathsab...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >If the dps were surviving having agro on a few of them yet you in tank
>> >gear weren't surviving having agro on all of them, I'd first wonder
>> >what your gear is like. And what level your character is. You're
>> >weren't getting surround by them and unable to dodge/parry/block half
>> >their attacks were you?
>> >The healer had been ready when you pulled them right? They hadn't
>> >been standing too far back and had you charge in to the mobs and out
>> >of range of them?
>> >You hadn't accidently switched to a dps or healing set of gear had
>> >you?
>>
>> It's not a tank problem - having healed the place I can tell you those
>> mobs open with something massive - they're fine after whatever the
>> opening attack is, but it's so massive it can almost kill a tank - if
>> it *does* kill the tank, then sure, the dpsers can tank the mobs,
>> since they're not doing their huge dmg attack any more! I can only
>> assume you were using cc if as tank you weren't being hit hard! Or you
>> had way higher health than the tank I did it with :-P
>>
>> http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40943#... there, 5 of those nice
>> 10k tsunamis going off at once on a 52k health tank, was why I was
>> practically having heartattacks there. Many times a 40k version of
>> heroic = oneshotted tank, nothing they can do! Pop any defensive cds
>> possible I guess, if I'm right in thinking nuts is a DK, anti magic
>> shell may be a decent soloution, spellreflect for warriors...
>> paladins and druids, um... pop cds I suppose.
>
>Ahh, sounds like I've been lucky then. My bear was almost 62k health
>unbuffed and I think my warrior was similar when she tanked through
>there.

Hehe lucky, I was a bit dubious when I saw the 52k health on that tank
but he was actually an excellent tank, one of the best I've met
(friendly and considerate as well as good at tanking!), it was only
those mobs that gave any trouble :-)

>I was too tired from work to probably notice if my health had taken
>any major hits. The rogue in the party seemed to be a good one and
>quite likely kicked a bunch of Tsunami's. I can probably check as
>Recount likely still has the data from that run. Throw in the
>Shaman's totem buffing our resistances and we were probably in a good
>position to survive okay. Regular anyway. Heroic is sounding a bit
>scary. ; )

If the shaman knew the fight he may also have popped grounding totem
which would've helped a lot too :-)
--
EU-Draenor:
Sagart (85 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (82 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (80 Human Rogue)
Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
Ruire (80 Blood Elf Paladin)

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