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C J Campbell

1/4/2011 4:52:00 PM

Things are getting bad as gold sellers and other account hackers have
figured out how to break into accounts protected by authenticators. And
they are getting more aggressive.

One of our guildies not only had his account hacked last week, but the
hackers also cleaned out his bank account and ran up big bills on his
debit card. He had an authenticator.

In fact, more than half a dozen of our guildies have been hacked in the
last month (we have about 140 members in our level 8 guild). Several of
them had authenticators.

It seems that authenticators have forced hackers to try to glean
personal information from computer files -- mother's maiden name,
birthdates, etc. -- in order to remove the authenticators. I have seen
at least two WoW accounts that were hacked using information taken from
bank accounts. So it appears that WoW is now more secure than most
people keep their banking information.

Let me be clear on this: if you buy gold from a gold seller, you are
SCUM! Your are a THIEF! And I and many people I know will go out of
their way to make your life a living hell!

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
21 Answers

John Gordon

1/4/2011 4:58:00 PM

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In <2011010408522897427-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom> C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis@hotmail.com> writes:

> In fact, more than half a dozen of our guildies have been hacked in the
> last month (we have about 140 members in our level 8 guild). Several of
> them had authenticators.

Were the authenticators active at the time of the attacks, or had they been
removed via social engineering?

(Not that this necessarily makes a lot of difference; I'm just curious.)

> I have seen at least two WoW accounts that were hacked using information
> taken from bank accounts. So it appears that WoW is now more secure than
> most people keep their banking information.

That seems unlikely to me. If they have your real-life banking information,
why would they bother with your Wow account?

--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

C J Campbell

1/4/2011 6:45:00 PM

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On 2011-01-04 08:57:35 -0800, John Gordon said:

> In <2011010408522897427-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom> C J
> Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> In fact, more than half a dozen of our guildies have been hacked in the
>> last month (we have about 140 members in our level 8 guild). Several of
>> them had authenticators.
>
> Were the authenticators active at the time of the attacks, or had they been
> removed via social engineering?
>
> (Not that this necessarily makes a lot of difference; I'm just curious.)

Well, when they broke into his bank account information on his
computer, they got his mother's maiden name and his birth date and used
that to get the authenticator removed.

>
>> I have seen at least two WoW accounts that were hacked using information
>> taken from bank accounts. So it appears that WoW is now more secure than
>> most people keep their banking information.
>
> That seems unlikely to me. If they have your real-life banking information,
> why would they bother with your Wow account?

I think they primarily after the WoW information and they are just now
discovering how valuable the bank account information is. These hackers
mostly are not Americans after all. It might be a little harder for
them to get funds moved from your bank to a bank in China. But they are
learning, as the experience of our guildie shows. (Oh, wait -- we can
get to his bank account, too?)

Of course, it is not surprising they are hacking bank accounts. The
hackers are just graduating to bigger and better things.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Gumby951

1/4/2011 7:44:00 PM

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"John Gordon" <gordon@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ifvjhv$6ch$1@reader1.panix.com...
> In <2011010408522897427-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom> C J
> Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> In fact, more than half a dozen of our guildies have been hacked in the
>> last month (we have about 140 members in our level 8 guild). Several of
>> them had authenticators.
>
> Were the authenticators active at the time of the attacks, or had they
> been
> removed via social engineering?
>
> (Not that this necessarily makes a lot of difference; I'm just curious.)
>
>> I have seen at least two WoW accounts that were hacked using information
>> taken from bank accounts. So it appears that WoW is now more secure than
>> most people keep their banking information.
>
> That seems unlikely to me. If they have your real-life banking
> information,
> why would they bother with your Wow account?
>
> --
> John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
> gordon@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
> -- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
>

greed...

gumby619


twk

1/4/2011 11:10:00 PM

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In article
<2011010408522897427-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom>,
C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Things are getting bad as gold sellers and other account hackers have
> figured out how to break into accounts protected by authenticators. And
> they are getting more aggressive.
>
> One of our guildies not only had his account hacked last week, but the
> hackers also cleaned out his bank account and ran up big bills on his
> debit card. He had an authenticator.
>
> In fact, more than half a dozen of our guildies have been hacked in the
> last month (we have about 140 members in our level 8 guild). Several of
> them had authenticators.
>
> It seems that authenticators have forced hackers to try to glean
> personal information from computer files -- mother's maiden name,
> birthdates, etc. -- in order to remove the authenticators. I have seen
> at least two WoW accounts that were hacked using information taken from
> bank accounts. So it appears that WoW is now more secure than most
> people keep their banking information.
>
> Let me be clear on this: if you buy gold from a gold seller, you are
> SCUM! Your are a THIEF! And I and many people I know will go out of
> their way to make your life a living hell!

I'm relaying this story from a friend who won't post due to paranoia
about posting to an open newsgroup. But that's another story.

A year ago or so, a guildie was begging for money to buy enchants and
such for his new 80. He also "needed" a motorcycle, mammoth, etc. You
name it, he needed everything.

A few days later, he had all new crafted gear, gems, enchants, and the
bike! Huh, must have gotten quite a loan from someone.

About two weeks later he went from being online every day to missing for
over a month.

When he came back he didn't seem to be wearing all that nice gear and
wasn't riding the bike. Aaaa ha ha ha ha ha.

Speculating here now, I believe his blacksmithing went from very low to
450 in no time, and was reset to 150 or something like that. I'm
guessing Blizz saw he was buying out all the needed mats for leveling BS
and took that away too.

I believe he was reported by someone that knew him, but anyway, he got
BUSTED! Sometimes the system works pretty well. Oh yeah, he was kicked
from the guild.

Yeah, I like that story. I would turn in a guildie for gold buying. No
doubt about it.

--
Mister Copperpot, you may take us out.
Sir, if you could just get my gender correct...

C J Campbell

1/5/2011 4:58:00 AM

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On 2011-01-04 15:09:34 -0800, twk said:

> In article
> <2011010408522897427-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom>,
> C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Things are getting bad as gold sellers and other account hackers have
>> figured out how to break into accounts protected by authenticators. And
>> they are getting more aggressive.
>>
>> One of our guildies not only had his account hacked last week, but the
>> hackers also cleaned out his bank account and ran up big bills on his
>> debit card. He had an authenticator.
>>
>> In fact, more than half a dozen of our guildies have been hacked in the
>> last month (we have about 140 members in our level 8 guild). Several of
>> them had authenticators.
>>
>> It seems that authenticators have forced hackers to try to glean
>> personal information from computer files -- mother's maiden name,
>> birthdates, etc. -- in order to remove the authenticators. I have seen
>> at least two WoW accounts that were hacked using information taken from
>> bank accounts. So it appears that WoW is now more secure than most
>> people keep their banking information.
>>
>> Let me be clear on this: if you buy gold from a gold seller, you are
>> SCUM! Your are a THIEF! And I and many people I know will go out of
>> their way to make your life a living hell!
>
> I'm relaying this story from a friend who won't post due to paranoia
> about posting to an open newsgroup. But that's another story.
>
> A year ago or so, a guildie was begging for money to buy enchants and
> such for his new 80. He also "needed" a motorcycle, mammoth, etc. You
> name it, he needed everything.
>
> A few days later, he had all new crafted gear, gems, enchants, and the
> bike! Huh, must have gotten quite a loan from someone.
>
> About two weeks later he went from being online every day to missing for
> over a month.
>
> When he came back he didn't seem to be wearing all that nice gear and
> wasn't riding the bike. Aaaa ha ha ha ha ha.
>
> Speculating here now, I believe his blacksmithing went from very low to
> 450 in no time, and was reset to 150 or something like that. I'm
> guessing Blizz saw he was buying out all the needed mats for leveling BS
> and took that away too.
>
> I believe he was reported by someone that knew him, but anyway, he got
> BUSTED! Sometimes the system works pretty well. Oh yeah, he was kicked
> from the guild.
>
> Yeah, I like that story. I would turn in a guildie for gold buying. No
> doubt about it.

We had a guildie coming in who had two level 80s, well equipped. But
then he didn't know where the tram from Stormwind to Ironforge was,
didn't know about the Auction House, and in general didn't seem to know
a lot of things that you would expect anyone who had played a toon past
level 20 to know.

Finally we were queued in a raid for Wintergrasp (back when you were in
raids there) and he mentioned that he had bought his account from a
gold seller and wondered if anyone had a recommendation of any better
gold sellers. Suddenly people began dropping out of the raid, just
leaving us two. I explained to him the problem with what he had done,
then reported him to the guildmaster who kicked him. He was very
apologetic and said he did not know that it was cheating, but the guild
was very strict on complying with the terms of service.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Polarhound

1/5/2011 6:14:00 AM

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On 1/4/2011 11:52 AM, C J Campbell wrote:

> In fact, more than half a dozen of our guildies have been hacked in the
> last month (we have about 140 members in our level 8 guild). Several of
> them had authenticators.

At this time it is important to remind of the distinction that the
Authenticators themselves were NOT hacked, cracked, or any other *acked.
The people that do end up getting screwed regardless of one were all
too often laying on the stupid in enough other areas that they opened
themselves up to other forms of attack to begin with.

Urbin

1/5/2011 7:43:00 AM

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On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:09:34 -0500, twk wrote:
> In article
> <2011010408522897427-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom>,
> C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Let me be clear on this: if you buy gold from a gold seller, you are
> > SCUM! Your are a THIEF! And I and many people I know will go out of
> > their way to make your life a living hell!
>
> I believe he was reported by someone that knew him, but anyway, he got
> BUSTED! Sometimes the system works pretty well. Oh yeah, he was kicked
> from the guild.
>
> Yeah, I like that story. I would turn in a guildie for gold buying. No
> doubt about it.

ABsolutely. I have reported guild members who bought gold or used power
levelling services both to the guild master and to Blizzard. They were
kicked from the guild instantly, not sure about how fast Blizzard reacted.

Cheers
Urbin

--
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Urbin (85), Hunter | Surana (70), Mage | Greeta (62), Rogue
Mymule (80), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Gera (26), Paladin
Sunh (80), Priest | Taalas (73), Shaman | Vargal (14), Warrior

neithskye

1/5/2011 2:55:00 PM

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On Jan 5, 2:43 am, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> ABsolutely. I have reported guild members who bought gold or used power
> levelling services both to the guild master and to Blizzard. They were
> kicked from the guild instantly, not sure about how fast Blizzard reacted.

We have a guildie who is a very young man - probably 10 or 11 years
old. He's a bit like the guild mascot. I, on the other hand, cannot
stand him. As an officer I have been whispered by people who say he
ripped them off (i.e., the Halloween wands, he was turned into
something, then "mysteriously disconnected" when it was his turn to
turn someone into something). Other things as well. I think he gives
the guild a bad name, but I keep getting overruled.

Anyway, on one 25 ICC run he won the roll for Deathbringer's Will over
fellow guildies and a PuG Hunter. Fair enough. Five minutes later he
was bragging in guild chat that he sold the trinket to the PuG Hunter
for 18,000 gold. You can imagine the uproar.

It's not technically gold buying, but the thing that gets me is, as an
officer, I regularly check guild bank logs. Who is the #1 user of
guild funds for repairs? You guessed it. This kid. Where did that
18,000 gold go?

--
Jill

C J Campbell

1/5/2011 4:19:00 PM

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On 2011-01-04 22:14:24 -0800, Polarhound said:

> On 1/4/2011 11:52 AM, C J Campbell wrote:
>
>> In fact, more than half a dozen of our guildies have been hacked in the
>> last month (we have about 140 members in our level 8 guild). Several of
>> them had authenticators.
>
> At this time it is important to remind of the distinction that the
> Authenticators themselves were NOT hacked, cracked, or any other
> *acked. The people that do end up getting screwed regardless of one
> were all too often laying on the stupid in enough other areas that they
> opened themselves up to other forms of attack to begin with.

This is true. I suspect that most of them fall victim to phishing schemes.

Trouble is, none of us is smart all of the time. We all take our turn
at being stupid.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

hume.spamfilter

1/5/2011 4:40:00 PM

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neithskye <jill_bookerGREENEGGSANDSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
> turn someone into something). Other things as well. I think he gives
> the guild a bad name, but I keep getting overruled.

Overruled by who? Is he a relation of the guildmaster or something?

In your position I would be strongly tempted to /gquit, loudly.

--
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