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Amulet of life saving

Janis Papanagnou

5/3/2016 9:08:00 AM

The fiery blade hits the salamander.
The salamander thrusts his spear. The salamander hits!
[...]
The fiery blade hits the salamander. You kill the salamander!
But wait... The salamander's medallion begins to glow!
The salamander looks much better! The medallion crumbles to dust!
The salamander thrusts his spear. The salamander hits!
[...]
The fiery blade hits the salamander. You kill the salamander!
You have a little trouble lifting t - an amulet of life saving.

The second (death-dropped) amulet of life saving came too late for the
ressurected beast.

Janis
31 Answers

Bob

2/18/2011 2:47:00 PM

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"Phlip" <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d120e7c4-ada9-4306-b1a2-0f5f923bab71@8g2000prt.googlegroups.com...
> The usual math-illiterate wrote:
>
>> http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=CES000000......
>
> Why, thanks - that's the source data for the "bikini chart".
>
> Now watch the line for Obama's first year, 2009:
>
> -820 -726 -796 -660 -386 -502 -300 -231 -236 -221 -55 -130
>
> See how Bush's trend starts in the first month, and it ramps up to a
> high of -55?
>
> And here's Obama's second year:
>
> -39 -35 192 277 458 -192 -49 -59 -29 171 93 121(P)
>
> See those huge positive numbers? And no negative numbers under -100?
> At this rate we will have 5% unemployment by 2012.

What was the net since Obama was inaugurated? Give him credit for 1/3 of
January 2009.


Phlip

2/18/2011 2:58:00 PM

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On Feb 18, 6:48 am, "Bob" <dalnet...@att.net> wrote:

> >>Over 3 million jobs have been lost since Obama was inaugurated.

> Are you disputing the numbers?

No. The number of jobs lost is cherry-picked, and fronted to you in
isolation from other numbers, but it's probably correct.

A recession is a restructuring. Many lost jobs will not come back.

Obama's stimulus plan created new jobs faster than old jobs got lost.
But if you measure only the old jobs getting lost, you get some big
number, such as 3 million. So a sound-bite like "3 million jobs lost
under Obama" is factually correct, yet is a sin of omission.

All still entirely the fault of Obama's predecessor, Clinton, of
course!

Bob

2/18/2011 3:33:00 PM

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"Phlip" <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dbc69677-baa8-4f3d-b16b-3a50b4c8d481@8g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 18, 6:48 am, "Bob" <dalnet...@att.net> wrote:

> >>Over 3 million jobs have been lost since Obama was inaugurated.

> Are you disputing the numbers?

No. The number of jobs lost is cherry-picked, and fronted to you in
isolation from other numbers, but it's probably correct.
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Nothing was cherry-picked. The numbers included all the time
that Obama has been president. Cherry-picking would have
not included all the months.


A recession is a restructuring. Many lost jobs will not come back.
****************************************************
Agreed.


Obama's stimulus plan created new jobs faster than old jobs got lost.
****************************************************
Incorrect.


But if you measure only the old jobs getting lost, you get some big
number, such as 3 million. So a sound-bite like "3 million jobs lost
under Obama" is factually correct, yet is a sin of omission.
****************************************************
It is you trying to omit some of the numbers, aka cherry-picking.


All still entirely the fault of Obama's predecessor, Clinton, of
course!
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And Bush I and II, and Reagan, and Ford, and Nixon, and Kennedy,
and Carter, and Truman ... but FDR and Johnson win the big prizes.


Phlip

2/18/2011 6:23:00 PM

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On Feb 18, 6:47 am, "Bob" <dalnet...@att.net> wrote:

> > Now watch the line for Obama's first year, 2009:
>
> > -820 -726 -796 -660 -386 -502 -300 -231 -236 -221 -55 -130
>
> > See how Bush's trend starts in the first month, and it ramps up to a
> > high of -55?
>
> > And here's Obama's second year:
>
> > -39 -35 192 277 458 -192 -49 -59 -29 171 93 121(P)
>
> > See those huge positive numbers? And no negative numbers under -100?
> > At this rate we will have 5% unemployment by 2012.
>
> What was the net since Obama was inaugurated? Give him credit for 1/3 of
> January 2009.

Who gets May of 2010?

Bob

2/18/2011 7:15:00 PM

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"Phlip" <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:08d250e7-6898-4000-87ed-619f12e65ff0@z27g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 18, 6:47 am, "Bob" <dalnet...@att.net> wrote:

> > Now watch the line for Obama's first year, 2009:
>
> > -820 -726 -796 -660 -386 -502 -300 -231 -236 -221 -55 -130
>
> > See how Bush's trend starts in the first month, and it ramps up to a
> > high of -55?
>
> > And here's Obama's second year:
>
> > -39 -35 192 277 458 -192 -49 -59 -29 171 93 121(P)
>
> > See those huge positive numbers? And no negative numbers under -100?
> > At this rate we will have 5% unemployment by 2012.
>
> What was the net since Obama was inaugurated? Give him credit for 1/3 of
> January 2009.

Who gets May of 2010?
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Evasion.


slykit2000

5/4/2016 2:35:00 AM

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The odds in Vegas must be astronomical.

tallguy241

5/4/2016 4:59:00 AM

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 7:35:23 PM UTC-7, Phil McKraken wrote:
> The odds in Vegas must be astronomical.

Or, given how much Janis plays...inevitable!

woolcross

5/4/2016 10:25:00 AM

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 10:58:39 PM UTC-6, Tallguy241 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 7:35:23 PM UTC-7, Phil McKraken wrote:
> > The odds in Vegas must be astronomical.
>
> Or, given how much Janis plays...inevitable!

Did he say how many times he bumped into a wall first to set the RNG?

David V.

5/19/2016 10:59:00 PM

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 2:08:05 AM UTC-7, Janis wrote:
> The fiery blade hits the salamander.
> The salamander thrusts his spear. The salamander hits!
> [...]
> The fiery blade hits the salamander. You kill the salamander!
> But wait... The salamander's medallion begins to glow!
> The salamander looks much better! The medallion crumbles to dust!
> The salamander thrusts his spear. The salamander hits!
> [...]
> The fiery blade hits the salamander. You kill the salamander!
> You have a little trouble lifting t - an amulet of life saving.
>
> The second (death-dropped) amulet of life saving came too late for the
> ressurected beast.
>
> Janis

I had an interesting amulet-related thing happen to me the other day.

I was at the castle, with 125 hit points and was standing outside the moat's front door. No /oC so it wasn't bridged with ice. I figured out the passcode and had lowered the drawbridge. Dumbly, I didn't step aside but at least I was on land and wearing my "oLS while facing a troll who was standing on the drawbridge, and a line of his friends just behind him in the castle. The following then occurred:

You hear a nearby zap. The wand hits it. The drawbridge collapses into the moat! The troll is blown apart by flying debris. The troll is killed. You are hit by a huge chunk of metal!
But wait... Your medallion begins to glow!
You feel much better!
The medallion crumbles to dust!
A strange force teleports you away...
Boing! The ogre lord wields a double-headed axe! The soldier hits! The soldier strikes at thin air!
You survived that attempt on your life.

What wasn't said above was that the amulet/RNG had transported me across the moat and I was now standing inside the castle, with about 20 monsters left to kill. I was shocked that I had been moved from the land-side of the moat to the castle side of the moat due to dying and the amulet of LS doing its work to save my life.

After reading what happened, I realized another monster must have used a wand of striking to destroy the drawbridge, which we know will kill anything it hits.

Has that ever happened to anyone before? I thought it quite cool, so thank you NH programmers of the best version ever, 3.6 !!!

David

Janis Papanagnou

5/19/2016 11:42:00 PM

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On 20.05.2016 00:59, David V. wrote:
>
> I had an interesting amulet-related thing happen to me the other day.
>
> I was at the castle, with 125 hit points and was standing outside the moat's front door. No /oC so it wasn't bridged with ice. I figured out the passcode and had lowered the drawbridge. Dumbly, I didn't step aside but at least I was on land and wearing my "oLS while facing a troll who was standing on the drawbridge, and a line of his friends just behind him in the castle. The following then occurred:
>
> You hear a nearby zap. The wand hits it. The drawbridge collapses into the moat! The troll is blown apart by flying debris. The troll is killed. You are hit by a huge chunk of metal!
> But wait... Your medallion begins to glow!
> You feel much better!
> The medallion crumbles to dust!
> A strange force teleports you away...
> Boing! The ogre lord wields a double-headed axe! The soldier hits! The soldier strikes at thin air!
> You survived that attempt on your life.
>
> What wasn't said above was that the amulet/RNG had transported me across the moat and I was now standing inside the castle, with about 20 monsters left to kill. I was shocked that I had been moved from the land-side of the moat to the castle side of the moat due to dying and the amulet of LS doing its work to save my life.
>
> After reading what happened, I realized another monster must have used a wand of striking to destroy the drawbridge, which we know will kill anything it hits.
>
> Has that ever happened to anyone before? I thought it quite cool, so thank you NH programmers of the best version ever, 3.6 !!!

I've seen it the first time. But the NH-360 code responsible for that effect
seems to be identical in NH-343, so it's existing for a long time now.

If I read the code correctly, you are given a new location if your previous
location isn't save anymore, and one possible location is selected randomly.
I'm not sure why the solid ground _in front_ of the drawbridge wouldn't be
considered safe, though.
The question is; if you say that the troll was standing on the drawbridge,
do you mean in the doorway of the drawbridge or actually on the drawbridge
part that is above water? (And equally, have you been standing on the water
tile covered by the lowered drawbridge or above really solid ground?)

Janis