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The Lasombra

8/19/2011 12:27:00 AM

Bodek Days
Dubicze Cerkiewne, Poland
August 10, 2011
16 players
2R + F

Aleksander Idziak's Tournament Winning Deck

Deck Name: Malkavian - Obedience
Created By: Aleksander Idziak
Description:

Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 18, Max: 37, Avg: 6,91)
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3 Lucian AUS cel DOM OBF tha 10 Malkavian
3 Gilbert Duane AUS DOM OBF 7 Malkavian
2 Greger Anderssen AUS dom OBF pro 7 Malkavian
2 Victoria AUS cel obf 5 Malkavian
1 Didi Meyers aus cel DOM obf 5 Malkavian
1 Zoe AUS cel obf 3 Malkavian

Library: (82 cards)
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Master (13 cards)
1 Coven, The
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Giant`s Blood
3 Madness Network
1 Papillon
1 Pentex Subversion
3 Villein
1 Wider View

Action (7 cards)
7 Govern the Unaligned

Action Modifier (21 cards)
3 Conditioning
2 Elder Impersonation
2 Faceless Night
1 Foreshadowing Destruction
2 Forgotten Labyrinth
2 Into Thin Air
3 Lost in Crowds
2 Spying Mission
4 Telepathic Vote Counting

Political Action (11 cards)
1 Anarchist Uprising
1 Ancilla Empowerment
1 Banishment
4 Kine Resources Contested
4 Parity Shift

Reaction (23 cards)
5 Deflection
3 Eyes of Argus
7 Obedience
6 Second Tradition: Domain, The
2 Telepathic Misdirection

Ally (2 cards)
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1 Muddled Vampire Hunter

Equipment (3 cards)
1 Bowl of Convergence
1 Heart of Nizchetus
1 Helicopter

Combo (2 cards)
2 Swallowed by the Night
12 Answers

wy

3/26/2010 3:23:00 PM

0

On Mar 26, 7:55 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> > On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yes I do, and here is why:
>
> >> OH, CANADA!
> >> March 24, 2010
>
> >> Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
> >> threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
> >> and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
> >> that one was on my "bucket list").
>
> >> Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
> >> posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
> >> campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
> >> speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
> >> shirts.
>
> >> Welcome to Canada!
>
> >> The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
> >> to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
> >> intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
> >> to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
> >> regarding hate speech.
>
> >> This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
> >> might do in the future.
>
> >> Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
> >> identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
> >> "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
> >> criminal charges."
>
> >> I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
> >> use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
>
> >> While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
> >> to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
> >> Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
> >> of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
> >> "Frank A. Hole").
>
> >> What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
> >> A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
> >> before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
> >> of the Bed-Wetters.")
>
> >> How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
> >> Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
>
> >> Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
> >> -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
> >> rage?
>
> >> How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
> >> please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
> >> crime?
>
> >> I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
> >> Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
> >> complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
> >> every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
> >> speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
> >> prosecution.
>
> >> Full Story:http://www.annco...
>
> > Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
> > just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
>
> > And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
>
> Meanwhile, from the Canadian press:http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story..html?...
>
> OTTAWA - University of Ottawa provost Francois Houle should apologize to
> American pundit Ann Coulter, says Canada's main university teachers'
> organization.
>
> Rest of article snipped.

Even teachers can be pretty stupid when they can't see past the phony
facade Coulter exploits to her advantage.

David Hartung

3/26/2010 3:31:00 PM

0

wy wrote:
> On Mar 26, 7:55 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>> On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Yes I do, and here is why:
>>>> OH, CANADA!
>>>> March 24, 2010
>>>> Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
>>>> threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
>>>> and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
>>>> that one was on my "bucket list").
>>>> Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
>>>> posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
>>>> campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
>>>> speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
>>>> shirts.
>>>> Welcome to Canada!
>>>> The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
>>>> to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
>>>> intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
>>>> to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
>>>> regarding hate speech.
>>>> This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
>>>> might do in the future.
>>>> Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
>>>> identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
>>>> "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
>>>> criminal charges."
>>>> I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
>>>> use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
>>>> While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
>>>> to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
>>>> Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
>>>> of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
>>>> "Frank A. Hole").
>>>> What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
>>>> A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
>>>> before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
>>>> of the Bed-Wetters.")
>>>> How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
>>>> Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
>>>> Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
>>>> -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
>>>> rage?
>>>> How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
>>>> please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
>>>> crime?
>>>> I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
>>>> Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
>>>> complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
>>>> every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
>>>> speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
>>>> prosecution.
>>>> Full Story:http://www.annco...
>>> Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
>>> just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
>>> And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
>> Meanwhile, from the Canadian press:http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?...
>>
>> OTTAWA - University of Ottawa provost Francois Houle should apologize to
>> American pundit Ann Coulter, says Canada's main university teachers'
>> organization.
>>
>> Rest of article snipped.
>
> Even teachers can be pretty stupid when they can't see past the phony
> facade Coulter exploits to her advantage.

Which goes right back to the idea that you know what is proper speech,
and you have the right to limit those who disagree with you. Which puts
you in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Saddam, and a whole
host of totalitarian dictators.

wy

3/26/2010 3:51:00 PM

0

On Mar 26, 11:31 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> wy wrote:
> > On Mar 26, 7:55 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> >>> On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Yes I do, and here is why:
> >>>> OH, CANADA!
> >>>> March 24, 2010
> >>>> Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
> >>>> threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
> >>>> and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
> >>>> that one was on my "bucket list").
> >>>> Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
> >>>> posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
> >>>> campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
> >>>> speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
> >>>> shirts.
> >>>> Welcome to Canada!
> >>>> The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
> >>>> to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
> >>>> intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
> >>>> to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
> >>>> regarding hate speech.
> >>>> This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
> >>>> might do in the future.
> >>>> Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
> >>>> identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
> >>>> "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
> >>>> criminal charges."
> >>>> I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
> >>>> use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
> >>>> While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
> >>>> to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
> >>>> Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
> >>>> of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
> >>>> "Frank A. Hole").
> >>>> What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
> >>>> A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
> >>>> before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
> >>>> of the Bed-Wetters.")
> >>>> How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
> >>>> Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
> >>>> Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
> >>>> -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
> >>>> rage?
> >>>> How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
> >>>> please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
> >>>> crime?
> >>>> I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
> >>>> Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
> >>>> complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
> >>>> every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
> >>>> speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
> >>>> prosecution.
> >>>> Full Story:http://www.annco...
> >>> Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
> >>> just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
> >>> And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
> >> Meanwhile, from the Canadian press:http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?...
>
> >> OTTAWA - University of Ottawa provost Francois Houle should apologize to
> >> American pundit Ann Coulter, says Canada's main university teachers'
> >> organization.
>
> >> Rest of article snipped.
>
> > Even teachers can be pretty stupid when they can't see past the phony
> > facade Coulter exploits to her advantage.
>
> Which goes right back to the idea that you know what is proper speech,
> and you have the right to limit those who disagree with you. Which puts
> you in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Saddam, and a whole
> host of totalitarian dictators.

Didn't say I know what proper speech is. Just said that the provost
was at least being considerate enough to make her aware of how things
are in Canada. She didn't have to pay any heed to his forewarning if
she didn't want to. That's up to her. But he felt he should at least
advise her of any potential problems. If she still wanted to cross
over the line, she still could've done it. But her snapping back at
him for being courteous is like her telling you to go fuck yourself
for politely advising her not to swear in front of your 4-year-old
kid. The negative reaction is not only uncalled for, but overly
extreme to a well-meaning gesture, which can only suggest that either
she's sticking with her phony Coulter facade act to drum up more
interest in her, being her livelihood, or she's got major perceptual
problems going on in her brain, which unsurprisingly would explain why
she's still not hooked up with anyone, whether male or female, at 48.
Who could live with that constant abuse 24/7?

David Hartung

3/26/2010 4:18:00 PM

0

wy wrote:
> On Mar 26, 11:31 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> wy wrote:
>>> On Mar 26, 7:55 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes I do, and here is why:
>>>>>> OH, CANADA!
>>>>>> March 24, 2010
>>>>>> Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
>>>>>> threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
>>>>>> and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
>>>>>> that one was on my "bucket list").
>>>>>> Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
>>>>>> posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
>>>>>> campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
>>>>>> speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
>>>>>> shirts.
>>>>>> Welcome to Canada!
>>>>>> The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
>>>>>> to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
>>>>>> intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
>>>>>> to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
>>>>>> regarding hate speech.
>>>>>> This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
>>>>>> might do in the future.
>>>>>> Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
>>>>>> identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
>>>>>> "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
>>>>>> criminal charges."
>>>>>> I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
>>>>>> use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
>>>>>> While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
>>>>>> to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
>>>>>> Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
>>>>>> of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
>>>>>> "Frank A. Hole").
>>>>>> What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
>>>>>> A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
>>>>>> before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
>>>>>> of the Bed-Wetters.")
>>>>>> How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
>>>>>> Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
>>>>>> Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
>>>>>> -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
>>>>>> rage?
>>>>>> How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
>>>>>> please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
>>>>>> crime?
>>>>>> I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
>>>>>> Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
>>>>>> complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
>>>>>> every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
>>>>>> speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
>>>>>> prosecution.
>>>>>> Full Story:http://www.annco...
>>>>> Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
>>>>> just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
>>>>> And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
>>>> Meanwhile, from the Canadian press:http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?...
>>>> OTTAWA - University of Ottawa provost Francois Houle should apologize to
>>>> American pundit Ann Coulter, says Canada's main university teachers'
>>>> organization.
>>>> Rest of article snipped.
>>> Even teachers can be pretty stupid when they can't see past the phony
>>> facade Coulter exploits to her advantage.
>> Which goes right back to the idea that you know what is proper speech,
>> and you have the right to limit those who disagree with you. Which puts
>> you in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Saddam, and a whole
>> host of totalitarian dictators.
>
> Didn't say I know what proper speech is. Just said that the provost
> was at least being considerate enough to make her aware of how things
> are in Canada. She didn't have to pay any heed to his forewarning if
> she didn't want to. That's up to her. But he felt he should at least
> advise her of any potential problems. If she still wanted to cross
> over the line, she still could've done it. But her snapping back at
> him for being courteous is like her telling you to go fuck yourself
> for politely advising her not to swear in front of your 4-year-old
> kid. The negative reaction is not only uncalled for, but overly
> extreme to a well-meaning gesture, which can only suggest that either
> she's sticking with her phony Coulter facade act to drum up more
> interest in her, being her livelihood, or she's got major perceptual
> problems going on in her brain, which unsurprisingly would explain why
> she's still not hooked up with anyone, whether male or female, at 48.
> Who could live with that constant abuse 24/7?


1. If you believe that the provost's letter was intended to be polite,
you are on drugs.

2. You have spoken in support of Canada's "hate speech" laws. That means
that you believe you know what is "proper" speech, and you believe you
have the right to limit or repress all speech which you(or Canadian law)
deem improper.

Once again, this puts you in the class of a whole host of bloody
dictators, some of whom are mentioned above.

wy

3/26/2010 4:49:00 PM

0

On Mar 26, 12:18 pm, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> wy wrote:
> > On Mar 26, 11:31 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> wy wrote:
> >>> On Mar 26, 7:55 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> >>>>> On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Yes I do, and here is why:
> >>>>>> OH, CANADA!
> >>>>>> March 24, 2010
> >>>>>> Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
> >>>>>> threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
> >>>>>> and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
> >>>>>> that one was on my "bucket list").
> >>>>>> Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
> >>>>>> posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
> >>>>>> campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
> >>>>>> speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
> >>>>>> shirts.
> >>>>>> Welcome to Canada!
> >>>>>> The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
> >>>>>> to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
> >>>>>> intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
> >>>>>> to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
> >>>>>> regarding hate speech.
> >>>>>> This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
> >>>>>> might do in the future.
> >>>>>> Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
> >>>>>> identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
> >>>>>> "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
> >>>>>> criminal charges."
> >>>>>> I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
> >>>>>> use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
> >>>>>> While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
> >>>>>> to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
> >>>>>> Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
> >>>>>> of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
> >>>>>> "Frank A. Hole").
> >>>>>> What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
> >>>>>> A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
> >>>>>> before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
> >>>>>> of the Bed-Wetters.")
> >>>>>> How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
> >>>>>> Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
> >>>>>> Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
> >>>>>> -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
> >>>>>> rage?
> >>>>>> How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
> >>>>>> please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
> >>>>>> crime?
> >>>>>> I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
> >>>>>> Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
> >>>>>> complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
> >>>>>> every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
> >>>>>> speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
> >>>>>> prosecution.
> >>>>>> Full Story:http://www.annco...
> >>>>> Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
> >>>>> just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
> >>>>> And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
> >>>> Meanwhile, from the Canadian press:http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?...
> >>>> OTTAWA - University of Ottawa provost Francois Houle should apologize to
> >>>> American pundit Ann Coulter, says Canada's main university teachers'
> >>>> organization.
> >>>> Rest of article snipped.
> >>> Even teachers can be pretty stupid when they can't see past the phony
> >>> facade Coulter exploits to her advantage.
> >> Which goes right back to the idea that you know what is proper speech,
> >> and you have the right to limit those who disagree with you. Which puts
> >> you in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Saddam, and a whole
> >> host of totalitarian dictators.
>
> > Didn't say I know what proper speech is.  Just said that the provost
> > was at least being considerate enough to make her aware of how things
> > are in Canada.  She didn't have to pay any heed to his forewarning if
> > she didn't want to.  That's up to her.  But he felt he should at least
> > advise her of any potential problems.  If she still wanted to cross
> > over the line, she still could've done it.  But her snapping back at
> > him for being courteous is like her telling you to go fuck yourself
> > for politely advising her not to swear in front of your 4-year-old
> > kid.  The negative reaction is not only uncalled for, but overly
> > extreme to a well-meaning gesture, which can only suggest that either
> > she's sticking with her phony Coulter facade act to drum up more
> > interest in her, being her livelihood, or she's got major perceptual
> > problems going on in her brain, which unsurprisingly would explain why
> > she's still not hooked up with anyone, whether male or female, at 48.
> > Who could live with that constant abuse 24/7?
>
> 1. If you believe that the provost's letter was intended to be polite,
> you are on drugs.

Did you read the letter? Was there anything impolite about it? Like
what?

>
> 2. You have spoken in support of Canada's "hate speech" laws. That means
> that you believe you know what is "proper" speech, and you believe you
> have the right to limit or repress all speech which you(or Canadian law)
> deem improper.

No, I can say that you're a fucking idiot who deserves to be carved up
as hamburger meat and eaten by ravenous hyenas if I want to. Anybody
can say anything they want. The fact of the matter is that there's a
law in place. It doesn't impinge on anyone to say anything, it's
there for those who are rightly offended by something that is directed
at them to take action against the offender. Just making someone
aware that such a law exists is a courtesy that anyone in Canada
should extend to guests. If they still want to say what they want to
say, so be it, say it. At least they know what the possible
consequences may arise from it. There's no barrier to speech. In
fact, even the U.S. has hate crime laws. The difference is that
their form of hate speech laws is reduced to defamation, slander and
libel. If it goes beyond that definition of hate speech, that's when
the U.S.'s hate crime laws kick in. Very little difference between
the two countries.

>
> Once again, this puts you in the class of a whole host of bloody
> dictators, some of whom are mentioned above.

Freedom is responsibility, otherwise you just end up with anarchy.
Anarchy seems to be what you favor, which necessitates dictatorship to
control it. So clearly your thinking is completely backwards and
upside down at the same time.

Tracey12

3/26/2010 8:54:00 PM

0

On Mar 26, 11:49 am, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 12:18 pm, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > wy wrote:
> > > On Mar 26, 11:31 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> wy wrote:
> > >>> On Mar 26, 7:55 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> > >>>>> On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Yes I do, and here is why:
> > >>>>>> OH, CANADA!
> > >>>>>> March 24, 2010
> > >>>>>> Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
> > >>>>>> threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
> > >>>>>> and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
> > >>>>>> that one was on my "bucket list").
> > >>>>>> Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
> > >>>>>> posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
> > >>>>>> campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
> > >>>>>> speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
> > >>>>>> shirts.
> > >>>>>> Welcome to Canada!
> > >>>>>> The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
> > >>>>>> to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
> > >>>>>> intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
> > >>>>>> to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
> > >>>>>> regarding hate speech.
> > >>>>>> This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
> > >>>>>> might do in the future.
> > >>>>>> Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
> > >>>>>> identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
> > >>>>>> "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
> > >>>>>> criminal charges."
> > >>>>>> I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
> > >>>>>> use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
> > >>>>>> While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
> > >>>>>> to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
> > >>>>>> Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
> > >>>>>> of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
> > >>>>>> "Frank A. Hole").
> > >>>>>> What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
> > >>>>>> A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
> > >>>>>> before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
> > >>>>>> of the Bed-Wetters.")
> > >>>>>> How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
> > >>>>>> Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
> > >>>>>> Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
> > >>>>>> -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
> > >>>>>> rage?
> > >>>>>> How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
> > >>>>>> please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
> > >>>>>> crime?
> > >>>>>> I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
> > >>>>>> Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
> > >>>>>> complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
> > >>>>>> every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
> > >>>>>> speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
> > >>>>>> prosecution.
> > >>>>>> Full Story:http://www.annco...
> > >>>>> Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
> > >>>>> just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
> > >>>>> And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
> > >>>> Meanwhile, from the Canadian press:http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?...
> > >>>> OTTAWA - University of Ottawa provost Francois Houle should apologize to
> > >>>> American pundit Ann Coulter, says Canada's main university teachers'
> > >>>> organization.
> > >>>> Rest of article snipped.
> > >>> Even teachers can be pretty stupid when they can't see past the phony
> > >>> facade Coulter exploits to her advantage.
> > >> Which goes right back to the idea that you know what is proper speech,
> > >> and you have the right to limit those who disagree with you. Which puts
> > >> you in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Saddam, and a whole
> > >> host of totalitarian dictators.
>
> > > Didn't say I know what proper speech is.  Just said that the provost
> > > was at least being considerate enough to make her aware of how things
> > > are in Canada.  She didn't have to pay any heed to his forewarning if
> > > she didn't want to.  That's up to her.  But he felt he should at least
> > > advise her of any potential problems.  If she still wanted to cross
> > > over the line, she still could've done it.  But her snapping back at
> > > him for being courteous is like her telling you to go fuck yourself
> > > for politely advising her not to swear in front of your 4-year-old
> > > kid.  The negative reaction is not only uncalled for, but overly
> > > extreme to a well-meaning gesture, which can only suggest that either
> > > she's sticking with her phony Coulter facade act to drum up more
> > > interest in her, being her livelihood, or she's got major perceptual
> > > problems going on in her brain, which unsurprisingly would explain why
> > > she's still not hooked up with anyone, whether male or female, at 48.
> > > Who could live with that constant abuse 24/7?
>
> > 1. If you believe that the provost's letter was intended to be polite,
> > you are on drugs.
>
> Did you read the letter?  Was there anything impolite about it?  Like
> what?
>
>
>
> > 2. You have spoken in support of Canada's "hate speech" laws. That means
> > that you believe you know what is "proper" speech, and you believe you
> > have the right to limit or repress all speech which you(or Canadian law)
> > deem improper.
>
> No, I can say that you're a fucking idiot who deserves to be carved up
> as hamburger meat and eaten by ravenous hyenas if I want to.  Anybody
> can say anything they want.  The fact of the matter is that there's a
> law in place.  It doesn't impinge on anyone to say anything, it's
> there for those who are rightly offended by something that is directed
> at them to take action against the offender.  Just making someone
> aware that such a law exists is a courtesy that anyone in Canada
> should extend to guests.  If they still want to say what they want to
> say, so be it, say it.  At least they know what the possible
> consequences may arise from it.  There's no barrier to speech.   In
> fact, even the U.S. has hate crime laws.   The difference is that
> their form of hate speech laws is reduced to defamation, slander and
> libel.  If it goes beyond that definition of hate speech, that's when
> the U.S.'s hate crime laws kick in.  Very little difference between
> the two countries.
>
>
>
> > Once again, this puts you in the class of a whole host of bloody
> > dictators, some of whom are mentioned above.
>
> Freedom is responsibility, otherwise you just end up with anarchy.
> Anarchy seems to be what you favor, which necessitates dictatorship to
> control it.  So clearly your thinking is completely backwards and
> upside down at the same time.

Yes. Some think that our free speech is limited. So how does that
work? How do we have the right to free speech, but it is limited by
government, the very power that the First Amendment itself limits?

Canadians don't and neither do any Europeans have the same level of
liberty we have. We can say what we want, and not only can we be
critical of government, but we can be very critical of government
since it is we who run this country, not some monarchy, or thug
dictator. And, I would like to take this opportunity to say that
Canada is behind the times. The staff of Ottawa U. who warned Ann in
advance that they may prosecute her speech are all tyrants, dictators,
and authoritarian thugs, in my humble opinion.

wy

3/26/2010 9:31:00 PM

0

On Mar 26, 4:54 pm, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 11:49 am, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 26, 12:18 pm, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > wy wrote:
> > > > On Mar 26, 11:31 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> wy wrote:
> > > >>> On Mar 26, 7:55 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Yes I do, and here is why:
> > > >>>>>> OH, CANADA!
> > > >>>>>> March 24, 2010
> > > >>>>>> Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
> > > >>>>>> threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
> > > >>>>>> and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
> > > >>>>>> that one was on my "bucket list").
> > > >>>>>> Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
> > > >>>>>> posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
> > > >>>>>> campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
> > > >>>>>> speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
> > > >>>>>> shirts.
> > > >>>>>> Welcome to Canada!
> > > >>>>>> The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
> > > >>>>>> to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
> > > >>>>>> intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
> > > >>>>>> to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
> > > >>>>>> regarding hate speech.
> > > >>>>>> This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
> > > >>>>>> might do in the future.
> > > >>>>>> Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
> > > >>>>>> identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
> > > >>>>>> "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
> > > >>>>>> criminal charges."
> > > >>>>>> I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
> > > >>>>>> use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
> > > >>>>>> While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
> > > >>>>>> to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
> > > >>>>>> Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
> > > >>>>>> of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
> > > >>>>>> "Frank A. Hole").
> > > >>>>>> What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
> > > >>>>>> A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
> > > >>>>>> before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
> > > >>>>>> of the Bed-Wetters.")
> > > >>>>>> How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
> > > >>>>>> Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
> > > >>>>>> Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
> > > >>>>>> -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
> > > >>>>>> rage?
> > > >>>>>> How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
> > > >>>>>> please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
> > > >>>>>> crime?
> > > >>>>>> I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
> > > >>>>>> Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
> > > >>>>>> complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
> > > >>>>>> every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
> > > >>>>>> speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
> > > >>>>>> prosecution.
> > > >>>>>> Full Story:http://www.annco...
> > > >>>>> Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
> > > >>>>> just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
> > > >>>>> And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
> > > >>>> Meanwhile, from the Canadian press:http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?...
> > > >>>> OTTAWA - University of Ottawa provost Francois Houle should apologize to
> > > >>>> American pundit Ann Coulter, says Canada's main university teachers'
> > > >>>> organization.
> > > >>>> Rest of article snipped.
> > > >>> Even teachers can be pretty stupid when they can't see past the phony
> > > >>> facade Coulter exploits to her advantage.
> > > >> Which goes right back to the idea that you know what is proper speech,
> > > >> and you have the right to limit those who disagree with you. Which puts
> > > >> you in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Saddam, and a whole
> > > >> host of totalitarian dictators.
>
> > > > Didn't say I know what proper speech is.  Just said that the provost
> > > > was at least being considerate enough to make her aware of how things
> > > > are in Canada.  She didn't have to pay any heed to his forewarning if
> > > > she didn't want to.  That's up to her.  But he felt he should at least
> > > > advise her of any potential problems.  If she still wanted to cross
> > > > over the line, she still could've done it.  But her snapping back at
> > > > him for being courteous is like her telling you to go fuck yourself
> > > > for politely advising her not to swear in front of your 4-year-old
> > > > kid.  The negative reaction is not only uncalled for, but overly
> > > > extreme to a well-meaning gesture, which can only suggest that either
> > > > she's sticking with her phony Coulter facade act to drum up more
> > > > interest in her, being her livelihood, or she's got major perceptual
> > > > problems going on in her brain, which unsurprisingly would explain why
> > > > she's still not hooked up with anyone, whether male or female, at 48.
> > > > Who could live with that constant abuse 24/7?
>
> > > 1. If you believe that the provost's letter was intended to be polite,
> > > you are on drugs.
>
> > Did you read the letter?  Was there anything impolite about it?  Like
> > what?
>
> > > 2. You have spoken in support of Canada's "hate speech" laws. That means
> > > that you believe you know what is "proper" speech, and you believe you
> > > have the right to limit or repress all speech which you(or Canadian law)
> > > deem improper.
>
> > No, I can say that you're a fucking idiot who deserves to be carved up
> > as hamburger meat and eaten by ravenous hyenas if I want to.  Anybody
> > can say anything they want.  The fact of the matter is that there's a
> > law in place.  It doesn't impinge on anyone to say anything, it's
> > there for those who are rightly offended by something that is directed
> > at them to take action against the offender.  Just making someone
> > aware that such a law exists is a courtesy that anyone in Canada
> > should extend to guests.  If they still want to say what they want to
> > say, so be it, say it.  At least they know what the possible
> > consequences may arise from it.  There's no barrier to speech.   In
> > fact, even the U.S. has hate crime laws.   The difference is that
> > their form of hate speech laws is reduced to defamation, slander and
> > libel.  If it goes beyond that definition of hate speech, that's when
> > the U.S.'s hate crime laws kick in.  Very little difference between
> > the two countries.
>
> > > Once again, this puts you in the class of a whole host of bloody
> > > dictators, some of whom are mentioned above.
>
> > Freedom is responsibility, otherwise you just end up with anarchy.
> > Anarchy seems to be what you favor, which necessitates dictatorship to
> > control it.  So clearly your thinking is completely backwards and
> > upside down at the same time.
>
> Yes.  Some think that our free speech is limited.  So how does that
> work?  How do we have the right to free speech, but it is limited by
> government, the very power that the First Amendment itself limits?
>
> Canadians don't and neither do any Europeans have the same level of
> liberty we have.  We can say what we want, and not only can we be
> critical of government, but we can be very critical of government
> since it is we who run this country, not some monarchy, or thug
> dictator.   And, I would like to take this opportunity to say that
> Canada is behind the times. The staff of Ottawa U. who warned Ann in
> advance that they may prosecute her speech are all tyrants, dictators,
> and authoritarian thugs, in my humble opinion.

People can say whatever they want in Canada. The speech law is not
for them, it's for those who wish to contest those who perniciously
offend. Think of it as your defamation, libel and slander laws. The
provost merely advised Coulter, out of common sense courtesy, to be
mindful of that because, obviously, she wouldn't've been aware of the
law, just as you hadn't a clue as to its existence before you read
about this. But, you know, I'll remember how much freer you Americans
are with your speech next time you allow Osama bin Laden to speak at
an American university, perhaps one not far from the 9/11 site. I
won't hold my breath, though.

Kevin Cunningham

3/26/2010 9:44:00 PM

0

On Mar 26, 9:45 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 6:33 am, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yes I do, and here is why:
>
> > > OH, CANADA!
> > > March 24, 2010
>
> > > Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
> > > threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
> > > and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
> > > that one was on my "bucket list").
>
> > > Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
> > > posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
> > > campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
> > > speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
> > > shirts.
>
> > > Welcome to Canada!
>
> > > The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
> > > to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
> > > intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
> > > to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
> > > regarding hate speech.
>
> > > This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
> > > might do in the future.
>
> > > Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
> > > identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
> > > "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
> > > criminal charges."
>
> > > I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
> > > use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
>
> > > While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
> > > to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
> > > Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
> > > of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
> > > "Frank A. Hole").
>
> > > What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
> > > A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
> > > before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
> > > of the Bed-Wetters.")
>
> > > How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
> > > Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
>
> > > Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
> > > -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
> > > rage?
>
> > > How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
> > > please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
> > > crime?
>
> > > I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
> > > Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
> > > complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
> > > every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
> > > speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
> > > prosecution.
>
> > > Full Story:http://www.annco...
>
> > Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
> > just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
>
> > And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
>
> Ann is an extreme right winger?

Yep.....

And no America.

Kevin Cunningham

3/26/2010 9:52:00 PM

0

On Mar 26, 4:54 pm, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 11:49 am, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 26, 12:18 pm, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > wy wrote:
> > > > On Mar 26, 11:31 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> wy wrote:
> > > >>> On Mar 26, 7:55 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Yes I do, and here is why:
> > > >>>>>> OH, CANADA!
> > > >>>>>> March 24, 2010
> > > >>>>>> Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
> > > >>>>>> threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
> > > >>>>>> and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
> > > >>>>>> that one was on my "bucket list").
> > > >>>>>> Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
> > > >>>>>> posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
> > > >>>>>> campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
> > > >>>>>> speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
> > > >>>>>> shirts.
> > > >>>>>> Welcome to Canada!
> > > >>>>>> The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
> > > >>>>>> to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
> > > >>>>>> intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
> > > >>>>>> to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
> > > >>>>>> regarding hate speech.
> > > >>>>>> This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
> > > >>>>>> might do in the future.
> > > >>>>>> Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
> > > >>>>>> identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
> > > >>>>>> "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
> > > >>>>>> criminal charges."
> > > >>>>>> I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
> > > >>>>>> use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
> > > >>>>>> While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
> > > >>>>>> to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
> > > >>>>>> Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
> > > >>>>>> of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
> > > >>>>>> "Frank A. Hole").
> > > >>>>>> What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
> > > >>>>>> A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
> > > >>>>>> before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
> > > >>>>>> of the Bed-Wetters.")
> > > >>>>>> How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
> > > >>>>>> Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
> > > >>>>>> Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
> > > >>>>>> -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
> > > >>>>>> rage?
> > > >>>>>> How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
> > > >>>>>> please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
> > > >>>>>> crime?
> > > >>>>>> I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
> > > >>>>>> Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
> > > >>>>>> complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
> > > >>>>>> every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
> > > >>>>>> speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
> > > >>>>>> prosecution.
> > > >>>>>> Full Story:http://www.annco...
> > > >>>>> Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
> > > >>>>> just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
> > > >>>>> And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
> > > >>>> Meanwhile, from the Canadian press:http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?...
> > > >>>> OTTAWA - University of Ottawa provost Francois Houle should apologize to
> > > >>>> American pundit Ann Coulter, says Canada's main university teachers'
> > > >>>> organization.
> > > >>>> Rest of article snipped.
> > > >>> Even teachers can be pretty stupid when they can't see past the phony
> > > >>> facade Coulter exploits to her advantage.
> > > >> Which goes right back to the idea that you know what is proper speech,
> > > >> and you have the right to limit those who disagree with you. Which puts
> > > >> you in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Saddam, and a whole
> > > >> host of totalitarian dictators.
>
> > > > Didn't say I know what proper speech is.  Just said that the provost
> > > > was at least being considerate enough to make her aware of how things
> > > > are in Canada.  She didn't have to pay any heed to his forewarning if
> > > > she didn't want to.  That's up to her.  But he felt he should at least
> > > > advise her of any potential problems.  If she still wanted to cross
> > > > over the line, she still could've done it.  But her snapping back at
> > > > him for being courteous is like her telling you to go fuck yourself
> > > > for politely advising her not to swear in front of your 4-year-old
> > > > kid.  The negative reaction is not only uncalled for, but overly
> > > > extreme to a well-meaning gesture, which can only suggest that either
> > > > she's sticking with her phony Coulter facade act to drum up more
> > > > interest in her, being her livelihood, or she's got major perceptual
> > > > problems going on in her brain, which unsurprisingly would explain why
> > > > she's still not hooked up with anyone, whether male or female, at 48.
> > > > Who could live with that constant abuse 24/7?
>
> > > 1. If you believe that the provost's letter was intended to be polite,
> > > you are on drugs.
>
> > Did you read the letter?  Was there anything impolite about it?  Like
> > what?
>
> > > 2. You have spoken in support of Canada's "hate speech" laws. That means
> > > that you believe you know what is "proper" speech, and you believe you
> > > have the right to limit or repress all speech which you(or Canadian law)
> > > deem improper.
>
> > No, I can say that you're a fucking idiot who deserves to be carved up
> > as hamburger meat and eaten by ravenous hyenas if I want to.  Anybody
> > can say anything they want.  The fact of the matter is that there's a
> > law in place.  It doesn't impinge on anyone to say anything, it's
> > there for those who are rightly offended by something that is directed
> > at them to take action against the offender.  Just making someone
> > aware that such a law exists is a courtesy that anyone in Canada
> > should extend to guests.  If they still want to say what they want to
> > say, so be it, say it.  At least they know what the possible
> > consequences may arise from it.  There's no barrier to speech.   In
> > fact, even the U.S. has hate crime laws.   The difference is that
> > their form of hate speech laws is reduced to defamation, slander and
> > libel.  If it goes beyond that definition of hate speech, that's when
> > the U.S.'s hate crime laws kick in.  Very little difference between
> > the two countries.
>
> > > Once again, this puts you in the class of a whole host of bloody
> > > dictators, some of whom are mentioned above.
>
> > Freedom is responsibility, otherwise you just end up with anarchy.
> > Anarchy seems to be what you favor, which necessitates dictatorship to
> > control it.  So clearly your thinking is completely backwards and
> > upside down at the same time.
>
> Yes.  Some think that our free speech is limited.  So how does that
> work?  How do we have the right to free speech, but it is limited by
> government, the very power that the First Amendment itself limits?
>
> Canadians don't and neither do any Europeans have the same level of
> liberty we have.  We can say what we want, and not only can we be
> critical of government, but we can be very critical of government
> since it is we who run this country, not some monarchy, or thug
> dictator.   And, I would like to take this opportunity to say that
> Canada is behind the times. The staff of Ottawa U. who warned Ann in
> advance that they may prosecute her speech are all tyrants, dictators,
> and authoritarian thugs, in my humble opinion.

What a hypocrite! After 9/11 you wanted all dissenting speech ended,
right now! You supported Bush and Cheney as they just about removed
the first amendment.

Face it, you only want speech that you approve of.

bvallely

3/26/2010 10:52:00 PM

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On Mar 26, 2:31 pm, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 4:54 pm, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 26, 11:49 am, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 26, 12:18 pm, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > wy wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 26, 11:31 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> wy wrote:
> > > > >>> On Mar 26, 7:55 am, David Hartung <d_hart...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Mar 26, 2:28 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> Yes I do, and here is why:
> > > > >>>>>> OH, CANADA!
> > > > >>>>>> March 24, 2010
> > > > >>>>>> Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes,
> > > > >>>>>> threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given,
> > > > >>>>>> and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because
> > > > >>>>>> that one was on my "bucket list").
> > > > >>>>>> Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while
> > > > >>>>>> posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa
> > > > >>>>>> campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my
> > > > >>>>>> speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown
> > > > >>>>>> shirts.
> > > > >>>>>> Welcome to Canada!
> > > > >>>>>> The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote
> > > > >>>>>> to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen
> > > > >>>>>> intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order
> > > > >>>>>> to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws
> > > > >>>>>> regarding hate speech.
> > > > >>>>>> This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I
> > > > >>>>>> might do in the future.
> > > > >>>>>> Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any
> > > > >>>>>> identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me,
> > > > >>>>>> "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to
> > > > >>>>>> criminal charges."
> > > > >>>>>> I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't
> > > > >>>>>> use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."
> > > > >>>>>> While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada
> > > > >>>>>> to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading
> > > > >>>>>> Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim
> > > > >>>>>> of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for
> > > > >>>>>> "Frank A. Hole").
> > > > >>>>>> What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois
> > > > >>>>>> A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti
> > > > >>>>>> before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land
> > > > >>>>>> of the Bed-Wetters.")
> > > > >>>>>> How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black
> > > > >>>>>> Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?
> > > > >>>>>> Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or
> > > > >>>>>> -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois'
> > > > >>>>>> rage?
> > > > >>>>>> How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to
> > > > >>>>>> please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate
> > > > >>>>>> crime?
> > > > >>>>>> I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of
> > > > >>>>>> Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a
> > > > >>>>>> complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing
> > > > >>>>>> every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their
> > > > >>>>>> speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal
> > > > >>>>>> prosecution.
> > > > >>>>>> Full Story:http://www.annco...
> > > > >>>>> Tracey, a claimed Christian, backs a known extreme right winger who
> > > > >>>>> just doesn't like sane, rational countries.
> > > > >>>>> And I thought this NG wouldn't be any fun any more!
> > > > >>>> Meanwhile, from the Canadian press:http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?...
> > > > >>>> OTTAWA - University of Ottawa provost Francois Houle should apologize to
> > > > >>>> American pundit Ann Coulter, says Canada's main university teachers'
> > > > >>>> organization.
> > > > >>>> Rest of article snipped.
> > > > >>> Even teachers can be pretty stupid when they can't see past the phony
> > > > >>> facade Coulter exploits to her advantage.
> > > > >> Which goes right back to the idea that you know what is proper speech,
> > > > >> and you have the right to limit those who disagree with you. Which puts
> > > > >> you in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Saddam, and a whole
> > > > >> host of totalitarian dictators.
>
> > > > > Didn't say I know what proper speech is.  Just said that the provost
> > > > > was at least being considerate enough to make her aware of how things
> > > > > are in Canada.  She didn't have to pay any heed to his forewarning if
> > > > > she didn't want to.  That's up to her.  But he felt he should at least
> > > > > advise her of any potential problems.  If she still wanted to cross
> > > > > over the line, she still could've done it.  But her snapping back at
> > > > > him for being courteous is like her telling you to go fuck yourself
> > > > > for politely advising her not to swear in front of your 4-year-old
> > > > > kid.  The negative reaction is not only uncalled for, but overly
> > > > > extreme to a well-meaning gesture, which can only suggest that either
> > > > > she's sticking with her phony Coulter facade act to drum up more
> > > > > interest in her, being her livelihood, or she's got major perceptual
> > > > > problems going on in her brain, which unsurprisingly would explain why
> > > > > she's still not hooked up with anyone, whether male or female, at 48.
> > > > > Who could live with that constant abuse 24/7?
>
> > > > 1. If you believe that the provost's letter was intended to be polite,
> > > > you are on drugs.
>
> > > Did you read the letter?  Was there anything impolite about it?  Like
> > > what?
>
> > > > 2. You have spoken in support of Canada's "hate speech" laws. That means
> > > > that you believe you know what is "proper" speech, and you believe you
> > > > have the right to limit or repress all speech which you(or Canadian law)
> > > > deem improper.
>
> > > No, I can say that you're a fucking idiot who deserves to be carved up
> > > as hamburger meat and eaten by ravenous hyenas if I want to.  Anybody
> > > can say anything they want.  The fact of the matter is that there's a
> > > law in place.  It doesn't impinge on anyone to say anything, it's
> > > there for those who are rightly offended by something that is directed
> > > at them to take action against the offender.  Just making someone
> > > aware that such a law exists is a courtesy that anyone in Canada
> > > should extend to guests.  If they still want to say what they want to
> > > say, so be it, say it.  At least they know what the possible
> > > consequences may arise from it.  There's no barrier to speech.   In
> > > fact, even the U.S. has hate crime laws.   The difference is that
> > > their form of hate speech laws is reduced to defamation, slander and
> > > libel.  If it goes beyond that definition of hate speech, that's when
> > > the U.S.'s hate crime laws kick in.  Very little difference between
> > > the two countries.
>
> > > > Once again, this puts you in the class of a whole host of bloody
> > > > dictators, some of whom are mentioned above.
>
> > > Freedom is responsibility, otherwise you just end up with anarchy.
> > > Anarchy seems to be what you favor, which necessitates dictatorship to
> > > control it.  So clearly your thinking is completely backwards and
> > > upside down at the same time.
>
> > Yes.  Some think that our free speech is limited.  So how does that
> > work?  How do we have the right to free speech, but it is limited by
> > government, the very power that the First Amendment itself limits?
>
> > Canadians don't and neither do any Europeans have the same level of
> > liberty we have.  We can say what we want, and not only can we be
> > critical of government, but we can be very critical of government
> > since it is we who run this country, not some monarchy, or thug
> > dictator.   And, I would like to take this opportunity to say that
> > Canada is behind the times. The staff of Ottawa U. who warned Ann in
> > advance that they may prosecute her speech are all tyrants, dictators,
> > and authoritarian thugs, in my humble opinion.
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> People can say whatever they want in Canada.  The speech law is not
> for them, it's for those who wish to contest those who perniciously
> offend. >
.
And the Priest who was arrested for printing pamphlets which quoted
the Bible? Oh, wait, you're a cheap bigot who supports burning
Bibles, aren't you?

The left is filled with idiots who falls over themselves to sell their
birthrights for a bag of chips.
And the Priest who a


 Think of it as your defamation, libel and slander laws.  The
> provost merely advised Coulter, out of common sense courtesy, to be
> mindful of that because, obviously, she wouldn't've been aware of the
> law, just as you hadn't a clue as to its existence before you read
> about this.  But, you know, I'll remember how much freer you Americans
> are with your speech next time you allow Osama bin Laden to speak at
> an American university, perhaps one not far from the 9/11 site.  I
> won't hold my breath, though.