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LSJ - Blood Turnip and ousting

xcver

2/9/2011 11:12:00 PM

Hi,
how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
ousted?

Should it stay or should it go?

Thanks,

Bernd
36 Answers

Robert Scythe

2/9/2011 11:31:00 PM

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On Feb 9, 3:11 pm, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
> Hi,
> how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> ousted?
>
> Should it stay or should it go?

It stays. Minion cards on minions are controlled by the minion's
controller, contrasted by, master cards in play are controlled by the
Methuselah who played them. Unless, of course, the card text states
otherwise.

Peter D Bakija

2/9/2011 11:32:00 PM

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On Feb 9, 6:11 pm, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
> Hi,
> how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> ousted?
>
> Should it stay or should it go?

LSJ doesn't read this newsgroup anymore. For rules questions, go to
Board Game Geek.

-Peter

xcver

2/9/2011 11:34:00 PM

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On 10 Feb., 00:31, Robert Scythe <tbel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 3:11 pm, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> > ousted?
>
> > Should it stay or should it go?
>
> It stays.  Minion cards on minions are controlled by the minion's
> controller, contrasted by, master cards in play are controlled by the
> Methuselah who played them. Unless, of course, the card text states
> otherwise.

erm Blood Turnip is a master card...

Name: Blood Turnip
[TR:R]
Cardtype: Master
Unique master. Requires a ready anarch.
Put this card on any minion. When this minion enters combat, he or she
moves this card and 1 blood (or life) to the opposing minion. If the
opposing minion is an anarch, that anarch can move this card onto any
minion instead (but it must move).

Robert Scythe

2/10/2011 1:25:00 AM

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On Feb 9, 3:34 pm, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
> On 10 Feb., 00:31, Robert Scythe <tbel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 9, 3:11 pm, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > > how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> > > ousted?
>
> > > Should it stay or should it go?
>
> > It stays.  Minion cards on minions are controlled by the minion's
> > controller, contrasted by, master cards in play are controlled by the
> > Methuselah who played them. Unless, of course, the card text states
> > otherwise.
>
> erm Blood Turnip is a master card...
>
> Name: Blood Turnip
> [TR:R]
> Cardtype: Master
> Unique master. Requires a ready anarch.
> Put this card on any minion. When this minion enters combat, he or she
> moves this card and 1 blood (or life) to the opposing minion. If the
> opposing minion is an anarch, that anarch can move this card onto any
> minion instead (but it must move).

Whoops!, didn't pay attention, then it goes.

Juggernaut1981

2/10/2011 2:29:00 AM

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On Feb 10, 10:11 am, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
> Hi,
> how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> ousted?
>
> Should it stay or should it go?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bernd

It's a unique card, therefore it can be contested, therefore it goes
when the Meth goes.
I generally use a "can it be contested" test for cards not in the
Meth's own ready region. The other easy test is "Will I have to (D)
action a missing player?" if Yes, then the card should go.

Blooded Sand

2/10/2011 4:51:00 AM

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On Feb 10, 3:28 am, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 10:11 am, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> > ousted?
>
> > Should it stay or should it go?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Bernd
>
> It's a unique card, therefore it can be contested, therefore it goes
> when the Meth goes.
> I generally use a "can it be contested" test for cards not in the
> Meth's own ready region.  The other easy test is "Will I have to (D)
> action a missing player?" if Yes, then the card should go.

Yes, but it is one of the exception set that are controlled by the
methuselah's minion it is on. That is why that methuselah gets to
choose where it goes.

xcver

2/10/2011 7:02:00 AM

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On 10 Feb., 05:51, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 3:28 am, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 10:11 am, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > > how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> > > ousted?
>
> > > Should it stay or should it go?
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > Bernd
>
> > It's a unique card, therefore it can be contested, therefore it goes
> > when the Meth goes.
> > I generally use a "can it be contested" test for cards not in the
> > Meth's own ready region.  The other easy test is "Will I have to (D)
> > action a missing player?" if Yes, then the card should go.
>
> Yes, but it is one of the exception set that are controlled by the
> methuselah's minion it is on. That is why  that methuselah gets to
> choose where it goes.

much like Anarch Troublemaker for example...

Vincent

2/10/2011 8:24:00 AM

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On 10 fév, 03:28, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 10:11 am, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> > ousted?
>
> > Should it stay or should it go?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Bernd
>
> It's a unique card, therefore it can be contested, therefore it goes
> when the Meth goes.

This rule of thumb is inaccurate, since uniqueness has nothing to do
with control (see Anarch Troublemaker).
The correct rule was given by Robert Scythe. Master cards are
controlled by the Methuselah who played them (unless they have changed
control of course, by cardtext for example).

floppyzedolfin

2/10/2011 12:51:00 PM

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On Feb 10, 3:28 am, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 10:11 am, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> > ousted?
>
> > Should it stay or should it go?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Bernd
>
> It's a unique card, therefore it can be contested,
Right.

> therefore it goes
> when the Meth goes.
True (luckily), but incorrect. So far, only unique master cards can
change controller.
The correct statement is: It goes when the Meth goes. This is true
about all cards.
The correcter statement is: It is sent to its owner's ash heap (to be
more accurate: to the ash heap of the player who played it) if she
controlled it. It is removed from the game if it wasn't controlled by
the person who played it.
A master card is always controlled by the player who played it, unless
explicit cardtext.

Examples: If I play Vessel / Pentex Subversion on my prey's vampire,
and oust my prey, the Vessel / Pentex Subversion goes to my ash heap.
If I play Anarch Troublemaker, give it to my prey and oust her (while
she controls it), Anarch Troublemaker is removed from the game.
Similarly, if I play Storage Annex, and my prey gains control of it
(Disputed Territory), and I oust my prey, Storage Annex is removed
from the game.

> I generally use a "can it be contested" test for cards not in the
> Meth's own ready region.  The other easy test is "Will I have to (D)
> action a missing player?" if Yes, then the card should go.

Juggernaut1981

2/10/2011 8:49:00 PM

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On Feb 10, 7:24 pm, Vincent <v.rip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10 fév, 03:28, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 10, 10:11 am, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > > how does Blood Turnip behave if the Meth that originally played it is
> > > ousted?
>
> > > Should it stay or should it go?
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > Bernd
>
> > It's a unique card, therefore it can be contested, therefore it goes
> > when the Meth goes.
>
> This rule of thumb is inaccurate, since uniqueness has nothing to do
> with control (see Anarch Troublemaker).
> The correct rule was given by Robert Scythe. Master cards are
> controlled by the Methuselah who played them (unless they have changed
> control of course, by cardtext for example).

Ahem, so since its a master card, and I (the player to be ousted)
would be the one to contest it (since it is controlled by me), it will
leave the game when I do.

So what you actually did was just say that I was actually saying the
same thing as Robert but in a less "Rules Lawyer" fashion. Thankyou.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Rule Lawyer Community present, I hereby
rest my case and await the verdict of the Judge.