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Pentex(TM) Subversion Fix

XZealot

1/10/2011 5:58:00 PM

Pentex(TM) Subversion
Type: Master
Cost: X pool
Unique master.
Put this card on any ready minion. X is the capacity of that vampire
or the cost of that ally. The minion with this card cannot take
actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any other
minion as a (D) action.

It is quick and easy as a fix and costs more to lock down a large
minion and less to lock down a small minion.

What do you think?
153 Answers

Pendargon

1/10/2011 6:11:00 PM

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On Jan 10, 6:57 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> Pentex(TM) Subversion
> Type: Master
> Cost: X pool
> Unique master.
> Put this card on any ready minion.  X is the capacity of that vampire
> or the cost of that ally. The minion with this card cannot take
> actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any other
> minion as a (D) action.
>
> It is quick and easy as a fix and costs more to lock down a large
> minion and less to lock down a small minion.
>
> What do you think?


Makes it wallpaper. Nobody will pay 9 pool to lock down a 9-cap, and
even less 4-5 pool to lock down a 4 or 5-cap.

Jozxyqk

1/10/2011 6:12:00 PM

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XZealot <xzealot@cox.net> wrote:
> Pentex(TM) Subversion
> Type: Master
> Cost: X pool
> Unique master.
> Put this card on any ready minion. X is the capacity of that vampire
> or the cost of that ally. The minion with this card cannot take
> actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any other
> minion as a (D) action.

> It is quick and easy as a fix and costs more to lock down a large
> minion and less to lock down a small minion.

> What do you think?

Pay 11 pool to lock down your own Inner Circle member, call Parity
Shift, burn the Pentex, repeat next turn?

Teeka

1/10/2011 6:17:00 PM

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On 10 jan, 18:57, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> Pentex(TM) Subversion
> Type: Master
> Cost: X pool
> Unique master.
> Put this card on any ready minion.  X is the capacity of that vampire
> or the cost of that ally. The minion with this card cannot take
> actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any other
> minion as a (D) action.
>
> It is quick and easy as a fix and costs more to lock down a large
> minion and less to lock down a small minion.
>
> What do you think?

I can't comment on the wallpaper/brokenness very well, so I'll let
others do that. But I like the direction you're taking this. Very
fitting considering the idea of the card, and simple to implement as
errata.

Vincent

1/10/2011 6:33:00 PM

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On 10 jan, 18:57, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> Pentex(TM) Subversion
> Type: Master
> Cost: X pool
> Unique master.
> Put this card on any ready minion.  X is the capacity of that vampire
> or the cost of that ally. The minion with this card cannot take
> actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any other
> minion as a (D) action.
>
> It is quick and easy as a fix and costs more to lock down a large
> minion and less to lock down a small minion.
>
> What do you think?

Better ban it than make it useless.
A good fix would be to make it unique... oops, seems like it is
already unique. Nothing to fix then.

XZealot

1/10/2011 6:46:00 PM

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On Jan 10, 12:10 pm, Pendargon <pendar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 6:57 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Pentex(TM) Subversion
> > Type: Master
> > Cost: X pool
> > Unique master.
> > Put this card on any ready minion.  X is the capacity of that vampire
> > or the cost of that ally. The minion with this card cannot take
> > actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any other
> > minion as a (D) action.
>
> > It is quick and easy as a fix and costs more to lock down a large
> > minion and less to lock down a small minion.
>
> > What do you think?
>
> Makes it wallpaper. Nobody will pay 9 pool to lock down a 9-cap, and
> even less 4-5 pool to lock down a 4 or 5-cap.

With the economic model of this game, it is an appropriate costing.

Kushiel

1/10/2011 6:55:00 PM

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On Jan 10, 12:57 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> What do you think?

I think that it's a categorically bad idea, because there shouldn't be
any more errata issued for cards, ever again. Since those cards will
never see a reprint with corrected text, any errata now means that
every copy of the errata'd card has incorrect card text. Better to ban
cards than play with imaginary cards.

Under that criterion, I don't think that Pentex needs banning.

John Eno

Legendre

1/10/2011 7:33:00 PM

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This card is about as good as Club Zombie, notwithstanding cost, so
make the cost the same.

Raise the cost to 4 pool and call it a day; this change alone will
turn it into a more situation-specific card (i.e., only good for
desperate situations, lunging, or dealing with large caps, rather than
good all the time every time). It's an easy fix and just requires a
little Sharpie work in the corner of a card, or a very thin label.

Izaak

1/10/2011 8:09:00 PM

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"Legendre" <glavier@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:a262ffea-49be-44d2-96d4-065a57bffa0a@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> This card is about as good as Club Zombie, notwithstanding cost, so
> make the cost the same.

Given that Club Zombie is pretty horrible, I suppose you think Pentex
Subversion is pretty awful as well?


Izaak

1/10/2011 8:14:00 PM

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>I think that it's a categorically bad idea, because there shouldn't be
>any more errata issued for cards, ever again. Since those cards will
>never see a reprint with corrected text, any errata now means that
>every copy of the errata'd card has incorrect card text. Better to ban
>cards than play with imaginary cards.

Agreed. Errata at this point are not the way to go.

>Under that criterion, I don't think that Pentex needs banning.

As I said in a previous thread, as much as I hate the card, the game does
need a way to get around superstar blockers that's not Call of the Hungry
Dead, Elder Impersonation, Evil Eye or Psychomachia. Pentex fills that bill
just fine and while it sucks to get your superstar locked down, it doesn't
suck more than getting bled for 12 before you have a guy out or Koko
Amaranthing your superstar after a Disarm.


Juggernaut1981

1/10/2011 9:31:00 PM

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On Jan 11, 5:54 am, Kushiel <invisibleking...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 12:57 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > What do you think?
>
> I think that it's a categorically bad idea, because there shouldn't be
> any more errata issued for cards, ever again. Since those cards will
> never see a reprint with corrected text, any errata now means that
> every copy of the errata'd card has incorrect card text. Better to ban
> cards than play with imaginary cards.
>
> Under that criterion, I don't think that Pentex needs banning.
>
> John Eno

I almost completely agree with John, except that I encourage banning
it. Any card that people feel they must play purely to contest other
copies purely because of the metagame is a card that is distorting the
game.

Don't errata, ban from tournaments. It has been distorting the
metagame of this game for far too long.