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Changes in the Game

XZealot

12/21/2010 8:57:00 PM

The biggest changes in the game were the 7/7 rulings that happened
when the game was out of print.

Now that the game is out of print again, we have the opportunity to
discuss some changes that should be made.

I don't want to limit the conversation so please put any suggestions
as a response to this post
187 Answers

XZealot

12/21/2010 8:59:00 PM

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On Dec 21, 2:56 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> The biggest changes in the game were the 7/7 rulings that happened
> when the game was out of print.
>
> Now that the game is out of print again, we have the opportunity to
> discuss some changes that should be made.
>
> I don't want to limit the conversation so please put any suggestions
> as a response to this post

I think that Pentex Subversion should have a capacity limit.

Pentex(TM) Subversion
Type: Master
Cost: 2 pool
Unique master.

Put this card on any ready minion. The minion with this card cannot
take actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any
other minion as a (D) action. If this minion is a vampire with
capacity 8 or greater, then burn 2 additional pool.

suoli

12/21/2010 9:11:00 PM

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On 21 joulu, 22:58, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2:56 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > The biggest changes in the game were the 7/7 rulings that happened
> > when the game was out of print.
>
> > Now that the game is out of print again, we have the opportunity to
> > discuss some changes that should be made.
>
> > I don't want to limit the conversation so please put any suggestions
> > as a response to this post
>
> I think that Pentex Subversion should have a capacity limit.
>
> Pentex(TM) Subversion
> Type: Master
> Cost: 2 pool
> Unique master.
>
> Put this card on any ready minion. The minion with this card cannot
> take actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any
> other minion as a (D) action.  If this minion is a vampire with
> capacity 8 or greater, then burn 2 additional pool.

Yes, that or only deny either blocks or actions.

John Flournoy

12/21/2010 9:19:00 PM

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On Dec 21, 3:11 pm, suoli <suoliruse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 joulu, 22:58, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 21, 2:56 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > The biggest changes in the game were the 7/7 rulings that happened
> > > when the game was out of print.
>
> > > Now that the game is out of print again, we have the opportunity to
> > > discuss some changes that should be made.
>
> > > I don't want to limit the conversation so please put any suggestions
> > > as a response to this post
>
> > I think that Pentex Subversion should have a capacity limit.
>
> > Pentex(TM) Subversion
> > Type: Master
> > Cost: 2 pool
> > Unique master.
>
> > Put this card on any ready minion. The minion with this card cannot
> > take actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any
> > other minion as a (D) action.  If this minion is a vampire with
> > capacity 8 or greater, then burn 2 additional pool.
>
> Yes, that or only deny either blocks or actions.

Another possible 'fix' - allow the minion to take only the action to
remove Pentex. It still allows it to be used pre-emptively for a
lunge, but it lessens the situation of "You bring out your first
minion, and I pentex him immediately, thus costing you several turns
while you influence out someone capable of removing it and get the
action off (assuming nobody will help)."

-John Flournoy

John Flournoy

12/21/2010 9:31:00 PM

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> > > I think that Pentex Subversion should have a capacity limit.

In fact, I'll add that I'd totally be in favor of seeing Pentex
completely banned.

Considering that a lot of deckbuilding discussion on the NG includes
comments like "well, you should include Pentex, if only to contest
it".. and most of the finalist decks at the various EC and NAC
tournaments included it.. and 25 of the last 40 TWDs included one or
more copies of it..

It's pretty clearly (to me) become a "must include" card into almost
every tournament-caliber deck out there, and that's a good sign that
it's time to either make a major change or ban it entirely.

-John Flournoy

Jeff Kuta

12/21/2010 10:03:00 PM

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On Dec 21, 12:56 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> The biggest changes in the game were the 7/7 rulings that happened
> when the game was out of print.
>
> Now that the game is out of print again, we have the opportunity to
> discuss some changes that should be made.
>
> I don't want to limit the conversation so please put any suggestions
> as a response to this post

I think it might be interesting to come up with more default uses for
the Edge.

Some examples:

You may burn the Edge to prevent 1 damage to a minion you control in
combat.
You may burn the Edge to add +1 damage to a strike of a minion you
control.
You may burn the Edge plus 1 pool for 2 votes in any referendum.
You may burn the Edge to reduce a bleed against you by 1.

Jeff

brandonsantacruz

12/21/2010 10:04:00 PM

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On Dec 21, 12:58 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2:56 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > The biggest changes in the game were the 7/7 rulings that happened
> > when the game was out of print.
>
> > Now that the game is out of print again, we have the opportunity to
> > discuss some changes that should be made.
>
> > I don't want to limit the conversation so please put any suggestions
> > as a response to this post
>
> I think that Pentex Subversion should have a capacity limit.
>
> Pentex(TM) Subversion
> Type: Master
> Cost: 2 pool
> Unique master.
>
> Put this card on any ready minion. The minion with this card cannot
> take actions and cannot block actions. This card may be burned by any
> other minion as a (D) action.  If this minion is a vampire with
> capacity 8 or greater, then burn 2 additional pool.

There are a variety of reasons why putting all your pool on one big
minion is bad, I don't see why Pentex Subversion is especially bad.
Play Sudden Reversal if PS is that big of an impediment to your deck.

The single biggest change I would like to see made is to make No
Secrets burn when a vampire goes to torpor.

Brandon

Jozxyqk

12/21/2010 10:08:00 PM

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Jeff Kuta <jeff.kuta@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 12:56 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> > The biggest changes in the game were the 7/7 rulings that happened
> > when the game was out of print.
> >
> > Now that the game is out of print again, we have the opportunity to
> > discuss some changes that should be made.
> >
> > I don't want to limit the conversation so please put any suggestions
> > as a response to this post

> I think it might be interesting to come up with more default uses for
> the Edge.

What about introducing the designed-but-abandoned "Double Edge" rules?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/f825fc...

chedcan

12/21/2010 10:08:00 PM

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I think the grouping of the Imbued (and a few other vampires like
Angelo for instance) should be changed to "any" just like the Anarch
Convert.

XZealot

12/21/2010 10:10:00 PM

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On Dec 21, 4:08 pm, chedcan <c_chen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think the grouping of the Imbued (and a few other vampires like
> Angelo for instance) should be changed to "any" just like the Anarch
> Convert.

I like the idea of non-unique vampires being group zero.

d31m

12/21/2010 10:24:00 PM

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On Dec 22, 7:56 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> The biggest changes in the game were the 7/7 rulings that happened
> when the game was out of print.
>
> Now that the game is out of print again, we have the opportunity to
> discuss some changes that should be made.
>
> I don't want to limit the conversation so please put any suggestions
> as a response to this post

I'd like to see in the core rules, an inclusion something along the
lines of, "when a vampire enters play during your influence phase, you
may burn 1 pool to make that vampire an Anarch".