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Seduction and Cycling

Jeff Kuta

12/20/2010 9:48:00 PM

I'm trying for the oust and need to cycle into some stealth.

With no DI's played and plenty of blood available, can I tap a vampire
with Dominate, play Govern the Unaligned, redraw Conditioning, play
Conditioning, redraw Seduction, play Seduction, redraw Lost in Crowds,
wait for blockers to be declared, then play Lost in Crowds for the
oust?

Thanks,

Jeff
7 Answers

John McGlynn

12/20/2010 9:55:00 PM

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On Dec 20, 2:48 pm, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying for the oust and need to cycle into some stealth.
>
> With no DI's played and plenty of blood available, can I tap a vampire
> with Dominate, play Govern the Unaligned, redraw Conditioning, play
> Conditioning, redraw Seduction, play Seduction, redraw Lost in Crowds,
> wait for blockers to be declared, then play Lost in Crowds for the
> oust?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff

No.

Seduction is played as the action is announced; Conditioning, etc. are
played *after* the action is announced. It's subtle, but there is a
difference. Google "action is announced author:lsj" for some rulings.
--
John McGlynn
is not a lsj

Jeff Kuta

12/20/2010 10:39:00 PM

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On Dec 20, 1:55 pm, John McGlynn <john.mcgl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2:48 pm, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm trying for the oust and need to cycle into some stealth.
>
> > With no DI's played and plenty of blood available, can I tap a vampire
> > with Dominate, play Govern the Unaligned, redraw Conditioning, play
> > Conditioning, redraw Seduction, play Seduction, redraw Lost in Crowds,
> > wait for blockers to be declared, then play Lost in Crowds for the
> > oust?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Jeff
>
> No.
>
> Seduction is played as the action is announced; Conditioning, etc. are
> played *after* the action is announced.  It's subtle, but there is a
> difference.  Google "action is announced author:lsj" for some rulings.
> --
> John McGlynn
> is not a lsj

Point being, Conditioning isn't restricted (at least per card text) on
when it must be played. Seduction is played at announcement. Lost in
Crowds is only played when stealth is needed. But why can't I play
Conditioning as the action is announced, after the DI phase?

Jeff

Robert Scythe

12/20/2010 10:44:00 PM

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On Dec 20, 2:38 pm, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 1:55 pm, John McGlynn <john.mcgl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 2:48 pm, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'm trying for the oust and need to cycle into some stealth.
>
> > > With no DI's played and plenty of blood available, can I tap a vampire
> > > with Dominate, play Govern the Unaligned, redraw Conditioning, play
> > > Conditioning, redraw Seduction, play Seduction, redraw Lost in Crowds,
> > > wait for blockers to be declared, then play Lost in Crowds for the
> > > oust?
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > Jeff
>
> > No.
>
> > Seduction is played as the action is announced; Conditioning, etc. are
> > played *after* the action is announced.  It's subtle, but there is a
> > difference.  Google "action is announced author:lsj" for some rulings.
> > --
> > John McGlynn
> > is not a lsj
>
> Point being, Conditioning isn't restricted (at least per card text) on
> when it must be played. Seduction is played at announcement. Lost in
> Crowds is only played when stealth is needed. But why can't I play
> Conditioning as the action is announced, after the DI phase?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/d62275a90ed6a4b8?hl=en&dm...

floppyzedolfin

12/20/2010 11:50:00 PM

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On 20 déc, 22:48, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying for the oust and need to cycle into some stealth.
>
> With no DI's played and plenty of blood available, can I tap a vampire
> with Dominate, play Govern the Unaligned, redraw Conditioning, play
> Conditioning, redraw Seduction, play Seduction, redraw Lost in Crowds,
> wait for blockers to be declared, then play Lost in Crowds for the
> oust?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff


Nah.
1 - a - play Govern the Unaligned.
1 - b - Wait for DI.
If no DI,
1 - c - tap your vampire.
2 - "as announced" cards (Seduction, ...)
3 - regular action modifiers (Conditioning)
4 - Resolve block attempts (Lost in Crowds).

Jeff Kuta

12/21/2010 3:19:00 AM

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On Dec 20, 3:50 pm, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 20 déc, 22:48, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm trying for the oust and need to cycle into some stealth.
>
> > With no DI's played and plenty of blood available, can I tap a vampire
> > with Dominate, play Govern the Unaligned, redraw Conditioning, play
> > Conditioning, redraw Seduction, play Seduction, redraw Lost in Crowds,
> > wait for blockers to be declared, then play Lost in Crowds for the
> > oust?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Jeff
>
> Nah.
> 1 - a - play Govern the Unaligned.
> 1 - b - Wait for  DI.
> If no DI,
> 1 - c - tap your vampire.
> 2 - "as announced" cards (Seduction, ...)
> 3 - regular action modifiers (Conditioning)
> 4 - Resolve block attempts (Lost in Crowds).

Well, I guess it's about time I learned how to play stealth bleed
after 10 years of combat. ;)

brandonsantacruz

12/21/2010 6:21:00 PM

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On Dec 20, 7:18 pm, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 3:50 pm, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 20 déc, 22:48, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'm trying for the oust and need to cycle into some stealth.
>
> > > With no DI's played and plenty of blood available, can I tap a vampire
> > > with Dominate, play Govern the Unaligned, redraw Conditioning, play
> > > Conditioning, redraw Seduction, play Seduction, redraw Lost in Crowds,
> > > wait for blockers to be declared, then play Lost in Crowds for the
> > > oust?
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > Jeff
>
> > Nah.
> > 1 - a - play Govern the Unaligned.
> > 1 - b - Wait for  DI.
> > If no DI,
> > 1 - c - tap your vampire.
> > 2 - "as announced" cards (Seduction, ...)
> > 3 - regular action modifiers (Conditioning)
> > 4 - Resolve block attempts (Lost in Crowds).
>
> Well, I guess it's about time I learned how to play stealth bleed
> after 10 years of combat. ;)

Govern + Lost in Crowds + Conditioning is pretty strong, or at least
it worked for you here:

http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2k9a...

:P
Brandon

Jeff Kuta

12/21/2010 8:51:00 PM

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On Dec 21, 10:21 am, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Dec 20, 7:18 pm, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 3:50 pm, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 20 déc, 22:48, Jeff Kuta <jeff.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm trying for the oust and need to cycle into some stealth.
>
> > > > With no DI's played and plenty of blood available, can I tap a vampire
> > > > with Dominate, play Govern the Unaligned, redraw Conditioning, play
> > > > Conditioning, redraw Seduction, play Seduction, redraw Lost in Crowds,
> > > > wait for blockers to be declared, then play Lost in Crowds for the
> > > > oust?
>
> > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > Jeff
>
> > > Nah.
> > > 1 - a - play Govern the Unaligned.
> > > 1 - b - Wait for  DI.
> > > If no DI,
> > > 1 - c - tap your vampire.
> > > 2 - "as announced" cards (Seduction, ...)
> > > 3 - regular action modifiers (Conditioning)
> > > 4 - Resolve block attempts (Lost in Crowds).
>
> > Well, I guess it's about time I learned how to play stealth bleed
> > after 10 years of combat. ;)
>
> Govern + Lost in Crowds + Conditioning is pretty strong, or at least
> it worked for you here:
>
> http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2k9a...
>
> :P
> Brandon

Oh, snap!