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when is dodge better than SCE?

talonz

12/19/2010 10:14:00 PM

search fu has failed. I seem to remember that dodge can avoid after
combat effects like catatonic fears damage after combat, where SCE
will not avoid it. Argument came up lately in game that this should
apply to other in combat effects like bonecraft (which I argued
against because thats different than after combat effects, and
justified at least in that case by
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/5f5619533e9aa055/c2269998311ceed1?lnk=gst&q=dodge+strike+combat+ends+bonecraft#c22699...
).

So...is there a case where a strike will take effect against someone
using SCE but not against a dodge?
7 Answers

floppyzedolfin

12/19/2010 10:28:00 PM

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On 19 déc, 23:13, talonz <talon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> search fu has failed.  I seem to remember that dodge can avoid after
> combat effects like catatonic fears damage after combat, where SCE
> will not avoid it.  Argument came up lately in game that this should
> apply to other in combat effects like bonecraft (which I argued
> against because thats different than after combat effects, and
> justified at least in that case byhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyha......
> ).
>
> So...is there a case where a strike will take effect against someone
> using SCE but not against a dodge?

Sure, when it's a S:CE too.
Common examples: Catatonic Fear, Unholy Penance.
Dodge protects you from whatever might happen to you due to the other
minion's strike, even if it's a S:CE.
Trickier: sup' Blissful Agony

Jozxyqk

12/19/2010 11:27:00 PM

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floppyzedolfin <floppyzedolfin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19 déc, 23:13, talonz <talon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > search fu has failed.  I seem to remember that dodge can avoid after
> > combat effects like catatonic fears damage after combat, where SCE
> > will not avoid it.  Argument came up lately in game that this should
> > apply to other in combat effects like bonecraft (which I argued
> > against because thats different than after combat effects, and
> > justified at least in that case byhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyha......
> > ).
> >
> > So...is there a case where a strike will take effect against someone
> > using SCE but not against a dodge?

> Sure, when it's a S:CE too.
> Common examples: Catatonic Fear, Unholy Penance.
> Dodge protects you from whatever might happen to you due to the other
> minion's strike, even if it's a S:CE.

Even if it might be beneficial to you, like basic Meld with the Land ;)

Aaron Clark

12/20/2010 5:17:00 AM

0

It is better for avoiding the effects of a Flash Grenade, too.

Tetragrammaton

12/20/2010 10:12:00 AM

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"floppyzedolfin" <floppyzedolfin@gmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:4d8fe950-79e0-4fc2-86f0-20ca13c4179a@j3g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On 19 déc, 23:13, talonz <talon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> search fu has failed. I seem to remember that dodge can avoid after
> combat effects like catatonic fears damage after combat, where SCE
> will not avoid it. Argument came up lately in game that this should
> apply to other in combat effects like bonecraft (which I argued
> against because thats different than after combat effects, and
> justified at least in that case
> byhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyha......
> ).
>
> So...is there a case where a strike will take effect against someone
> using SCE but not against a dodge?

> Sure, when it's a S:CE too.
> Common examples: Catatonic Fear, Unholy Penance.
> Dodge protects you from whatever might happen to you due to the other
> minion's strike, even if it's a S:CE.

That always has been a weird ruling to me, as the rulebook cleary states
(about s:ce )
"This effect ends combat immediately. This type of strike is always the
first to resolve, even before a strike done with first strike, *and it ends
combat before other strikes or other strike resolution effects are resolved*
"

that is: if you don't resolve the dodge (which is a strike too, so the
dodging effect) it's pretty weird how it can protect you against the
secondary effect of a S:CE

floppyzedolfin

12/20/2010 10:40:00 AM

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On Dec 20, 11:12 am, "Tetragrammaton" <n...@usa.com> wrote:
> "floppyzedolfin" <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:4d8fe950-79e0-4fc2-86f0-20ca13c4179a@j3g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On 19 d c, 23:13, talonz <talon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > search fu has failed. I seem to remember that dodge can avoid after
> > combat effects like catatonic fears damage after combat, where SCE
> > will not avoid it. Argument came up lately in game that this should
> > apply to other in combat effects like bonecraft (which I argued
> > against because thats different than after combat effects, and
> > justified at least in that case
> > byhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyha.......
> > ).
>
> > So...is there a case where a strike will take effect against someone
> > using SCE but not against a dodge?
> > Sure, when it's a S:CE too.
> > Common examples: Catatonic Fear, Unholy Penance.
> > Dodge protects you from whatever might happen to you due to the other
> > minion's strike, even if it's a S:CE.
>
> That always has been a weird ruling to me, as the rulebook cleary states
> (about s:ce )
> "This effect ends combat immediately. This type of strike is always the
> first to resolve, even before a strike done with first strike, *and it ends
> combat before other strikes or other strike resolution effects are resolved*
> "
>
> that is: if you don't resolve the dodge (which is a strike too, so the
> dodging effect) it's pretty weird how it can protect you against the
> secondary effect of a S:CE

(Outline VI.c.2.a)
NOTE: Dodge doesn't resolve; it cancels the effect of the opposing
strike on the dodging minion and non-Retainer cards on him. [6.4.5]

brandonsantacruz

12/20/2010 7:03:00 PM

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On Dec 19, 2:13 pm, talonz <talon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> search fu has failed.  I seem to remember that dodge can avoid after
> combat effects like catatonic fears damage after combat, where SCE
> will not avoid it.  Argument came up lately in game that this should
> apply to other in combat effects like bonecraft (which I argued
> against because thats different than after combat effects, and
> justified at least in that case byhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyha......
> ).
>
> So...is there a case where a strike will take effect against someone
> using SCE but not against a dodge?

When fighting oliver thrace, or when a ventrue fighting dr. dee

Brandon

salem

12/21/2010 12:10:00 AM

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brandonsantacruz wrote:

> On Dec 19, 2:13 pm, talonz <talon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> search fu has failed. I seem to remember that dodge can avoid after
>> combat effects like catatonic fears damage after combat, where SCE
>> will not avoid it. Argument came up lately in game that this should
>> apply to other in combat effects like bonecraft (which I argued
>> against because thats different than after combat effects, and
>> justified at least in that case
>> byhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.game...
cards.jyhad/browse_t...
>> ).
>>
>> So...is there a case where a strike will take effect against someone
>> using SCE but not against a dodge?
>
> When fighting oliver thrace, or when a ventrue fighting dr. dee

or fighting a gangrel with a Dog Pack.

--
salem
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