[lnkForumImage]
TotalShareware - Download Free Software
Usa Forum
 Home | Login | Register | Search 


 

Forums >

rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Deck: Maleficia Hordes!

AngryNorway

12/7/2010 3:21:00 AM

Deck Name : Infernal Maleficia Bleed
Author : Angry Norway
Description :
Pop out a non-Horde minion, then Tend the Flock/Horde/Dreamworld to
victory with Maleficia defence and stealth.


Crypt [13 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 9 average: 4.53846
------------------------------------------------------------

8x Horde, The 3 dai obf pre Baali:6
2x Xeper, Sultan of L 7 OBF PRE ani dai pro Baali:6
2x Arishat 6 DAI OBF PRE 1 vote Baali:6
1x Annazir 9 DAI OBF POT PRE 2 votes Baali:5


Library [77 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------

Action [15]
2x Barrenness
10x Dream World
3x Entrancement

Action Modifier [17]
3x Faceless Night
3x Lost in Crowds
8x Psalm of the Damned
3x Spying Mission

Ally [1]
1x Veneficti (Mage)

Combat [6]
6x Flames of the Netherworld

Combat/Reaction [10]
10x Evil Eye

Event [2]
1x Narrow Minds
1x Scourge of the Enochians

Master [22]
1x Coven, The
5x Life in the City
8x Maleficia
2x Path of Evil Revelations
6x Tend the Flock

Reaction [4]
4x Eluding the Arms of Morpheus


Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Tue Dec 07 14:19:04 2010]
15 Answers

Vincent

12/9/2010 10:39:00 AM

0

On 7 déc, 04:21, AngryNorway <angry.nor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Deck Name : Infernal Maleficia Bleed
> Author : Angry Norway
> Description :
> Pop out a non-Horde minion, then Tend the Flock/Horde/Dreamworld to
> victory with Maleficia defence and stealth.
>
I'm a bit concerned about the ousting power of the deck. Let's say you
control Arishat and 3 Hordes. Your maximum bleed amount with be 3 * 3
= 9 pool by playing Dream World sup. with one and using Dream World as
a bleed action with the others.
That's not a lot, especially considering the number of cards (4 +
stealth) required.
Bleed retainers may be more useful, even if you would probably need an
untap tech such as My Kin against the World.

I don't see the point in playin Eluding since you'll have to attempt
to block the action (ending tapped anyway), and you can't use it to
"wake" and cancel an action with Evil Eye.
Narrow Mind seems useless with the Psalm.

wkasimer

7/17/2012 8:51:00 PM

0

On Jul 17, 4:36 pm, Oscar <oscaredwardwilliam...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > There's some real irony there, as you know, since he was the one who had
> > London/Decca pass on releasing a whole bunch of recordings by the Cleveland
> > Orchestra (mostly Bruckner symphonies, but also one of 20th Century
> > American music) in the USA.  That's right, one of the country's premier
> > orchestras was recording for a so-called "major" label, and the label
> > couldn't be bothered to issue these recordings domestically!
>
> Is that true? Dumb idea if I ever heard one. Who else was Decca
> pushing at the time (Solti/CSO?), domestically, that made it seem like
> a bad proposition? How many of these CO titles were only issued as
> imports? Who was Music Director then, Maazel?

I think that it was Dohnanyi, wasn't it?

Bill

mark

7/18/2012 12:55:00 AM

0

On Jul 17, 1:51 pm, wkasimer <wkasi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jul 17, 4:36 pm, Oscar <oscaredwardwilliam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > There's some real irony there, as you know, since he was the one who had
> > > London/Decca pass on releasing a whole bunch of recordings by the Cleveland
> > > Orchestra (mostly Bruckner symphonies, but also one of 20th Century
> > > American music) in the USA.  That's right, one of the country's premier
> > > orchestras was recording for a so-called "major" label, and the label
> > > couldn't be bothered to issue these recordings domestically!
>
> > Is that true? Dumb idea if I ever heard one. Who else was Decca
> > pushing at the time (Solti/CSO?), domestically, that made it seem like
> > a bad proposition? How many of these CO titles were only issued as
> > imports? Who was Music Director then, Maazel?
>
> I think that it was Dohnanyi, wasn't it?
>
> Bill

Yes, it was Dohnanyi.

Imagine, a major record label based in London (Decca) signs a contract
with the Cleveland Orchestra in the Maazel era and continues that
contract when Maazel leaves and Dohnanyi takes over, commits to major
projects with that orchestra under Dohnanyi (symphonies by Mahler,
Bruckner, Wagner operas, etc) that incur MAJOR expenses for the label
that the label plans to recover by selling these recordings on a
worldwide basis, and the person in charge of deciding what recordings
will be released in the United States (Greg Barbero) PASSES on
releasing the recordings in the USA! And he was defended in his
choices by Chris Roberts who set the policy that the heads of the
three PolyGram classical labels got to make their own decisions when
it came to what got released stateside (Roberts felt the US market
could effectively sell only about half of the classical recordings the
PolyGram labels released every year. The label heads at DG, Decca and
Philips USA were allowed to release about 250 recordings a year from
their respective European-based labels, or basically at a rate of 20
recordings a month).

I can tell you that people in and around the Cleveland Orchestra
considered it a real slap in the face that Barbero refused to release
all of their Bruckner titles in the USA, notably the 2-CD set of 3 &
8. I was told by people at Decca that the unrealized sales form the US
territory on those Bruckner recordings was THE factor that led to
Decca canceling completing the cycle as had been planned all along.
Syms 0, 1 & 2 never were recorded.)

The Historian

7/18/2012 4:13:00 AM

0

On Jul 17, 3:46 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy @earthlink.net> wrote:
> Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed innews:e8d446a6-94cc-4da4-bd18-08ba21ca9e22@qq9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > A major contributor to the site is GREG BARBERO, formerly the head of
> > Decca, USA. Yikes!
>
> There's some real irony there, as you know, since he was the one who had
> London/Decca pass on releasing a whole bunch of recordings by the Cleveland
> Orchestra (mostly Bruckner symphonies, but also one of 20th Century
> American music) in the USA.  That's right, one of the country's premier
> orchestras was recording for a so-called "major" label, and the label
> couldn't be bothered to issue these recordings domestically!
>
> As I recall, you picked up a bunch of London/Decca and DGG recordings for
> MHS to release, much to MHS' advantage, and a black eye to Universal for
> making that dumb mistake in the first place.
>
> I know that you're aware of this, but there may be some here (particularly
> the newer contributors) who aren't, so it bears mentioning.

Wasn't he responsible for the Vanguard Classics label a decade ago?

Matthew B. Tepper

7/18/2012 4:49:00 AM

0

Mark S <markstenroos@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in
news:f7e4d06a-ec50-48c1-acff-e350e2d8193d@x6g2000pbh.googlegroups.com:

> On Jul 17, 1:51?pm, wkasimer <wkasi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 4:36?pm, Oscar <oscaredwardwilliam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > There's some real irony there, as you know, since he was the one
>> > > who had London/Decca pass on releasing a whole bunch of recordings
>> > > by the Cleveland Orchestra (mostly Bruckner symphonies, but also
>> > > one of 20th Century American music) in the USA. ?That's right, one
>> > > of the country's premier orchestras was recording for a so-called
>> > > "major" label, and the label couldn't be bothered to issue these
>> > > recordings domestically!
>>
>> > Is that true? Dumb idea if I ever heard one. Who else was Decca
>> > pushing at the time (Solti/CSO?), domestically, that made it seem
>> > like a bad proposition? How many of these CO titles were only issued
>> > as imports? Who was Music Director then, Maazel?
>>
>> I think that it was Dohnanyi, wasn't it?
>>
>> Bill
>
> Yes, it was Dohnanyi.
>
> Imagine, a major record label based in London (Decca) signs a contract
> with the Cleveland Orchestra in the Maazel era and continues that
> contract when Maazel leaves and Dohnanyi takes over, commits to major
> projects with that orchestra under Dohnanyi (symphonies by Mahler,
> Bruckner, Wagner operas, etc) that incur MAJOR expenses for the label
> that the label plans to recover by selling these recordings on a
> worldwide basis, and the person in charge of deciding what recordings
> will be released in the United States (Greg Barbero) PASSES on releasing
> the recordings in the USA! And he was defended in his choices by Chris
> Roberts who set the policy that the heads of the three PolyGram classical
> labels got to make their own decisions when it came to what got released
> stateside (Roberts felt the US market could effectively sell only about
> half of the classical recordings the PolyGram labels released every year.
> The label heads at DG, Decca and Philips USA were allowed to release
> about 250 recordings a year from their respective European-based labels,
> or basically at a rate of 20 recordings a month).
>
> I can tell you that people in and around the Cleveland Orchestra
> considered it a real slap in the face that Barbero refused to release all
> of their Bruckner titles in the USA, notably the 2-CD set of 3 & 8. I was
> told by people at Decca that the unrealized sales form the US territory
> on those Bruckner recordings was THE factor that led to Decca canceling
> completing the cycle as had been planned all along. Syms 0, 1 & 2 never
> were recorded.)

Well, there it is -- anybody who thinks I was exaggerating has it straight
from the source. And it wasn't just Decca, but also DGG and Philips.

With Philips, the example that comes to mind was Viktoria Mullova playing
violin concerti by Bartok (1938) and Stravinsky, with Esa-Pekka Salonen
conducting the L.A. Philharmonic. These were recorded in May 1997, issued
in the UK in March 1998 (not so bad, as the slowly-grinding mills of the
Universal gargantua go) ... and in the US, not until March 2000. That's
right, two years when a recording of an American orchestra was not
officially available in its country of origin. Two years of potential
profit, casually blown off by the executive in charge, Lisa Altman. Two
years during which Angelenos could not buy a recording of our own orchestra
in stores. Not such a big deal now, when it's so easy to buy anything from
anywhere, but maybe significant then.

And then there was DGG. First there was the matter of a reissue series
that Karen Moody decided people in the US "wouldn't buy." The time-worn
wisdom, "customers won't buy it," right? And what was that series called?
Why, The Originals, of course! After a year of good sales in the UK and
Europe, DGG's American division saw what everybody else had seen and began
to carry the series a year late, and remained a year behind for a while
after that.

And another example: DGG's American office declined to issue a recording
of Berlioz' Symphonie fantastique conducted by Myung-Whun Chung. Likewise,
his follow-up to that, "Harold en italie" (with violist Laurent Verney).
If I remember correctly, you took the opportunity to release those CDs
domestically on MHS. I also remember that DGG *did* bother to release
Chung's "La damnation de Faust" a couple of years later -- and the release
sheet (the booklet sent to buyers at retail outfits) listed, as a selling
point for the "Faust" recording, the earlier two CDs!

Why did the American heads of DGG, Decca, and Philips behave this way?
Several possibilities come to mind:

Stupidity.
Incompetence.
Malice.
Grudges.
Laziness.
Self-sabotage.
Distrust of American orchestras.
Contempt for American consumers.

Or, perhaps, the most damning of all:

Hatred of America.

What do YOU think?

(Removing tongue from cheek now.)

--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/...
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

Matthew B. Tepper

7/18/2012 4:49:00 AM

0

The Historian <neil.thehistorian@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
following letters to be typed in
news:d23ddd07-a238-4e8a-ad65-5e37587cdd1a@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

> On Jul 17, 3:46?pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy @earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
>> letters to be typed innews:e8d446a6-94cc-4da4-bd18-08ba21ca9e22
>> @qq9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > A major contributor to the site is GREG BARBERO, formerly the head of
>> > Decca, USA. Yikes!
>>
>> There's some real irony there, as you know, since he was the one who
>> had London/Decca pass on releasing a whole bunch of recordings by the
>> Cleveland Orchestra (mostly Bruckner symphonies, but also one of 20th
>> Century American music) in the USA. ?That's right, one of the country's
>> premier orchestras was recording for a so-called "major" label, and the
>> label couldn't be bothered to issue these recordings domestically!
>>
>> As I recall, you picked up a bunch of London/Decca and DGG recordings
>> for MHS to release, much to MHS' advantage, and a black eye to
>> Universal for making that dumb mistake in the first place.
>>
>> I know that you're aware of this, but there may be some here
>> (particularly the newer contributors) who aren't, so it bears
>> mentioning.
>
> Wasn't he responsible for the Vanguard Classics label a decade ago?

So tell me, what has become of that label since?

--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/...
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

The Historian

7/18/2012 5:04:00 AM

0

On Jul 18, 12:48 am, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy @earthlink.net> wrote:
> The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed innews:d23ddd07-a238-4e8a-ad65-5e37587cdd1a@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 3:46 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy @earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
> >> letters to be typed innews:e8d446a6-94cc-4da4-bd18-08ba21ca9e22
> >> @qq9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > A major contributor to the site is GREG BARBERO, formerly the head of
> >> > Decca, USA. Yikes!
>
> >> There's some real irony there, as you know, since he was the one who
> >> had London/Decca pass on releasing a whole bunch of recordings by the
> >> Cleveland Orchestra (mostly Bruckner symphonies, but also one of 20th
> >> Century American music) in the USA. That's right, one of the country's
> >> premier orchestras was recording for a so-called "major" label, and the
> >> label couldn't be bothered to issue these recordings domestically!
>
> >> As I recall, you picked up a bunch of London/Decca and DGG recordings
> >> for MHS to release, much to MHS' advantage, and a black eye to
> >> Universal for making that dumb mistake in the first place.
>
> >> I know that you're aware of this, but there may be some here
> >> (particularly the newer contributors) who aren't, so it bears
> >> mentioning.
>
> > Wasn't he responsible for the Vanguard Classics label a decade ago?
>
> So tell me, what has become of that label since?

I realize your question is rhetorical. That said, Barbero failed to
revive Vanguard aside from a a couple of flashes such as the Leon
Fleisher "two hands" recordings.

Oscar Williamson

7/18/2012 5:19:00 AM

0

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:48 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> Stupidity.
> Incompetence.
> Malice.
> Grudges.
> Laziness.
> Self-sabotage.
> Distrust of American orchestras.
> Contempt for American consumers.
>
> Or, perhaps, the most damning of all:
>
> Hatred of America.
>
> What do YOU think?

Duh, it was obviously Hatred of Cleveland, the Mistake by the Lake: flaming Cuyahoga River, Mayor Kucinich and all.

mark

7/18/2012 5:25:00 AM

0

On Jul 17, 9:48 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy @earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> With Philips, the example that comes to mind was Viktoria Mullova playing
> violin concerti by Bartok (1938) and Stravinsky, with Esa-Pekka Salonen
> conducting the L.A. Philharmonic.  These were recorded in May 1997, issued
> in the UK in March 1998 (not so bad, as the slowly-grinding mills of the
> Universal gargantua go) ... and in the US, not until March 2000.  That's
> right, two years when a recording of an American orchestra was not
> officially available in its country of origin.  Two years of potential
> profit, casually blown off by the executive in charge, Lisa Altman.  Two
> years during which Angelenos could not buy a recording of our own orchestra
> in stores.  Not such a big deal now, when it's so easy to buy anything from
> anywhere, but maybe significant then.

Lisa Altman is the person who fought to have Andrea Bocelli's
recordings released in the USA over the objections of Chris Roberts.
Her decision - which was not an easy call at the time - basically kept
the PolyGram labels afloat in the USA. So, she made a very good call
there, even if she blew it on the LAPO. Her great business decisions a
la Bocelli was later rewarded with her being fired by Chris Roberts.

>
> And then there was DGG.  First there was the matter of a reissue series
> that Karen Moody decided people in the US "wouldn't buy."  The time-worn
> wisdom, "customers won't buy it," right?  And what was that series called?
> Why, The Originals, of course!  After a year of good sales in the UK and
> Europe, DGG's American division saw what everybody else had seen and began
> to carry the series a year late, and remained a year behind for a while
> after that.

That's not exactly how it went down. Moody - who was the head of DG in
USA - had already committed a huge chunk of her budget to the DG
"Digital Masters" series, because the home office had pleaded with her
to do so because this was to be DGs first release of digital
recordings below full price. They were very nervous about how this
series would sell. The release of the "Originals" got sprung on her
after she had already committed to keeping DG's bacon out of the fire
on the Digital Masters series. I saw the early release sheets and knew
the series was going to be gold, so I arranged to meet with Karen to
se if we could coordinate promotion of the series through our
distribution channels. I was a bit surprised when she told me about
her commitment to the Digital Masters, and she agreed that the
originals had much better potential. She agreed to let me promote the
Originals through the various catalog marketers that were my
customers, even giving me a 6-month window (IIRC) to sell the
Originals before they got their US retail release.

None of this effected the non-NYC PolyGram offices, because none of
them were under the restraints that Chris Roberts had imposed on his
NY labels heads. Karen was put between a rock and a hard place that
she didn't want to be put between. Any blame for the screw-up on the
Originals resides with Chris Roberts, not Moody.

>
> And another example:  DGG's American office declined to issue a recording
> of Berlioz' Symphonie fantastique conducted by Myung-Whun Chung.  Likewise,
> his follow-up to that, "Harold en italie" (with violist Laurent Verney).
> If I remember correctly, you took the opportunity to release those CDs
> domestically on MHS.

Yes, I did. I offered them as a Featured Selection Double. This
release was one of the very first MHS-issued titles that was done in
full color, at my insistence and over the objections (which were
abating) of the MHS owners.


> I also remember that DGG *did* bother to release
> Chung's "La damnation de Faust" a couple of years later -- and the release
> sheet (the booklet sent to buyers at retail outfits) listed, as a selling
> point for the "Faust" recording, the earlier two CDs!

And why not, as they were promoting these Chung recordings on a
worldwide basis.

>
> Why did the American heads of DGG, Decca, and Philips behave this way?
> Several possibilities come to mind:
>
> Stupidity.
> Incompetence.
> Malice.
> Grudges.
> Laziness.
> Self-sabotage.
> Distrust of American orchestras.
> Contempt for American consumers.
>
> Or, perhaps, the most damning of all:
>
> Hatred of America.
>
> What do YOU think?

I think Chris Roberts put them on a short leash when it came to what
the labels could release in the USA. His rule of thumb was to release
only titles that had the potential to sell 5,000 units in one year.
Someone had stars in their eyes after the success of the 3 Tenors.
Let's face it, few classical titles sell 5,000 units a year even back
then. The label heads weren't short sighted. they were being asked to
divine the impossible, the equivalent os requiring that your pitcher
strike out every batter, or that your batters hit nothing but home
runs.

mark

7/18/2012 5:45:00 AM

0

On Jul 17, 10:19 pm, Oscar <oscaredwardwilliam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:48 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> > Stupidity.
> > Incompetence.
> > Malice.
> > Grudges.
> > Laziness.
> > Self-sabotage.
> > Distrust of American orchestras.
> > Contempt for American consumers.
>
> > Or, perhaps, the most damning of all:
>
> > Hatred of America.
>
> > What do YOU think?
>
> Duh, it was obviously Hatred of Cleveland, the Mistake by the Lake: flaming Cuyahoga River, Mayor Kucinich and all.

The Cuyahoga River caught fire during the tenure of Mayor Ralph Perk.
Kucinich came later. I know. I lived 50 miles east of Cleveland during
that time.