Usa Forum - Saulot's Infernal Familiar Will Take Your Soul (Deck

The Lasombra

12/5/2010 7:24:00 PM

Deck Name : Saulot's Infernal Familiar Will Take Your Soul
Author : Lasombra
Description :
Don't worry about your opponents playing vampires with the right
disciplines. Steal anyone with Spirit Marionette, pass them an
Infernal Familiar, and ensure that they return empty in torpor or
burned. If the one you steal has dominate, let them play Spirit
Marionette on their bleed at Obeah!

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 11 average: 7.25
------------------------------------------------------------
5x Saulot, The Wander 11 AUS FOR OBE THA VAL dai Salubri:4
2x Eurayle Gelasia My 6 AUS OBE for pre Salubri:4
2x Maldavis 4 AUS for pre Caitiff:3
1x Ladislas Toth, The 7 AUS DOM THA for archbishop !Tremere:3
1x Martin Franckel 3 AUS tha Tremere:3
1x Jacob, The Glitch 2 THA !Tremere:3

Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------
Action [15]
3x Precognizant Mobility
12x Spirit Marionette

Action Modifier [36]
7x Conditioning
7x Daring the Dawn
1x Enkil Cog
8x Freak Drive
3x Mirror Walk
4x Neutral Guard
4x Repulsion
2x Safe Passage

Action Modifier / Reaction [3]
3x Gift of Sleep

Equipment [1]
1x Codex of the Edenic Groundskeepers

Master [15]
1x Giant's Blood
4x Heidelberg Castle, Germany
1x Infernal Pact
2x Perfectionist
1x University Hunting Ground
6x Villein

Reaction [12]
4x Delaying Tactics
2x On the Qui Vive
6x Telepathic Misdirection

Retainer [8]
8x Infernal Familiar

7 Answers

Kevin M.

12/5/2010 8:57:00 PM

The Lasombra wrote:
> Deck Name : Saulot's Infernal Familiar Will Take Your Soul
> Author : Lasombra
> Description :
> Don't worry about your opponents playing vampires with the right
> disciplines. Steal anyone with Spirit Marionette, pass them an
> Infernal Familiar, and ensure that they return empty in torpor or
> burned. If the one you steal has dominate, let them play Spirit
> Marionette on their bleed at Obeah!
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 11 average: 7.25
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 5x Saulot, The Wander 11 AUS FOR OBE THA VAL dai Salubri:4
> 2x Eurayle Gelasia My 6 AUS OBE for pre Salubri:4
> 2x Maldavis 4 AUS for pre Caitiff:3
> 1x Ladislas Toth, The 7 AUS DOM THA for archbishop !Tremere:3
> 1x Martin Franckel 3 AUS tha Tremere:3
> 1x Jacob, The Glitch 2 THA !Tremere:3
[snip]

Jeff,
I'm curious as to what made you go outside your standard
3x (or 4x) "star" vampire formula. Was there not enough
other vampires to fill in the crypt, so 5x seemed best?

Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
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brandonsantacruz

12/5/2010 9:04:00 PM

On Dec 5, 11:24 am, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Deck Name : Saulot's Infernal Familiar Will Take Your Soul
> Author : Lasombra
> Description :
> Don't worry about your opponents playing vampires with the right
> disciplines. Steal anyone with Spirit Marionette, pass them an
> Infernal Familiar, and ensure that they return empty in torpor or
> burned. If the one you steal has dominate, let them play Spirit
> Marionette on their bleed at Obeah!
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 11 average: 7.25
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 5x Saulot, The Wander 11 AUS FOR OBE THA VAL dai Salubri:4
> 2x Eurayle Gelasia My 6 AUS OBE for pre Salubri:4
> 2x Maldavis 4 AUS for pre Caitiff:3
> 1x Ladislas Toth, The 7 AUS DOM THA for archbishop !Tremere:3
> 1x Martin Franckel 3 AUS tha Tremere:3
> 1x Jacob, The Glitch 2 THA !Tremere:3
>
> Library [90 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Action [15]
> 3x Precognizant Mobility
> 12x Spirit Marionette
>
> Action Modifier [36]
> 7x Conditioning
> 7x Daring the Dawn
> 1x Enkil Cog
> 8x Freak Drive
> 3x Mirror Walk
> 4x Neutral Guard
> 4x Repulsion
> 2x Safe Passage
>
> Action Modifier / Reaction [3]
> 3x Gift of Sleep
>
> Equipment [1]
> 1x Codex of the Edenic Groundskeepers
>
> Master [15]
> 1x Giant's Blood
> 4x Heidelberg Castle, Germany
> 1x Infernal Pact
> 2x Perfectionist
> 1x University Hunting Ground
> 6x Villein
>
> Reaction [12]
> 4x Delaying Tactics
> 2x On the Qui Vive
> 6x Telepathic Misdirection
>
> Retainer [8]
> 8x Infernal Familiar

I really like the deck. It has enough stealth to succeed, isn't the
typical boring SM deck, has vote defense bounce, a couple ways to
untap guys you want to steal and plenty of ousting power. The only
thing I wonder about is the University Hunting Ground. It could maybe
be a Wider View or Anesthetic Touch. I guess that's the weakness,
combat.

brandon

The Lasombra

12/6/2010 12:52:00 AM

On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:56:47 -0800, "Kevin M." wrote:

>> Deck Name : Saulot's Infernal Familiar Will Take Your Soul
>> Author : Lasombra
>> Description :
>> Don't worry about your opponents playing vampires with the right
>> disciplines. Steal anyone with Spirit Marionette, pass them an
>> Infernal Familiar, and ensure that they return empty in torpor or
>> burned. If the one you steal has dominate, let them play Spirit
>> Marionette on their bleed at Obeah!

>> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 11 average: 7.25
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> 5x Saulot, The Wander 11 AUS FOR OBE THA VAL dai Salubri:4
>> 2x Eurayle Gelasia My 6 AUS OBE for pre Salubri:4
>> 2x Maldavis 4 AUS for pre Caitiff:3
>> 1x Ladislas Toth, The 7 AUS DOM THA for archbishop !Tremere:3
>> 1x Martin Franckel 3 AUS tha Tremere:3
>> 1x Jacob, The Glitch 2 THA !Tremere:3

>[snip]

>Jeff,
>I'm curious as to what made you go outside your standard
>3x (or 4x) "star" vampire formula. Was there not enough
>other vampires to fill in the crypt, so 5x seemed best?

I could potentially add another Ladislas Toth and another Infernal
Pact or two, and then go down to 4 Saulot, but I was screwed in my
last tournament with only 4 copies of Qawiyya el-Ghaduba, and Saulot
is even more critical to the success of this deck.

The Lasombra

12/6/2010 12:54:00 AM

On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:03:43 -0800 (PST), brandonsantacruz wrote:

>The only thing I wonder about is the University Hunting Ground.

It is critical that Saulot start his turn with blood. Eleven capacity
vampires must not waste turns hunting. A Rack or a few Coven or some
Life in the City might be ok, but the potential reliability of the
Hunting Ground seems best for this deck.

Wedge

12/6/2010 1:13:00 AM

Mylan?!

Vincent

12/6/2010 9:24:00 AM

On 6 déc, 01:52, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:56:47 -0800, "Kevin M." wrote:
> >> Deck Name : Saulot's Infernal Familiar Will Take Your Soul
> >> Author : Lasombra
> >> Description :
> >> Don't worry about your opponents playing vampires with the right
> >> disciplines. Steal anyone with Spirit Marionette, pass them an
> >> Infernal Familiar, and ensure that they return empty in torpor or
> >> burned. If the one you steal has dominate, let them play Spirit
> >> Marionette on their bleed at Obeah!
> >> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 11 average: 7.25
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >> 5x Saulot, The Wander 11 AUS FOR OBE THA VAL dai Salubri:4
> >> 2x Eurayle Gelasia My 6 AUS OBE for pre Salubri:4
> >> 2x Maldavis 4 AUS for pre Caitiff:3
> >> 1x Ladislas Toth, The 7 AUS DOM THA for archbishop !Tremere:3
> >> 1x Martin Franckel 3 AUS tha Tremere:3
> >> 1x Jacob, The Glitch 2 THA !Tremere:3
> >[snip]
> >Jeff,
> >I'm curious as to what made you go outside your standard
> >3x (or 4x) "star" vampire formula. Was there not enough
> >other vampires to fill in the crypt, so 5x seemed best?
>
> I could potentially add another Ladislas Toth and another Infernal
> Pact or two, and then go down to 4 Saulot, but I was screwed in my
> last tournament with only 4 copies of Qawiyya el-Ghaduba, and Saulot
> is even more critical to the success of this deck.

What maths say:

4 copies / 12 = 85,58% chances of having at least 1 copy in the
starting crypt.
5 copies / 12 = 92,92% " " "
5 copies / 13 = 90,20% " " "
6 copies / 12 = 96,96% " " "
6 copies / 13 = 95,10% " " "

It's cleary better to play 5 copies of the star vampire rather than 4,
and if you want to add another copy of another vampire, better play
with a 13 cards crypt.

Playing 6 copies out of 12 is only 4% better but may be justified.

salem

12/7/2010 1:27:00 PM

Vincent wrote:

> On 6 dÃ©c, 01:52, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:56:47 -0800, "Kevin M." wrote:
>> >> Deck Name : Saulot's Infernal Familiar Will Take Your Soul
>> >> Author : Lasombra
>> >> Description :
>> >> Don't worry about your opponents playing vampires with the right
>> >> disciplines. Steal anyone with Spirit Marionette, pass them an
>> >> Infernal Familiar, and ensure that they return empty in torpor or
>> >> burned. If the one you steal has dominate, let them play Spirit
>> >> Marionette on their bleed at Obeah!
>> >> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 11 average: 7.25
>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> 5x Saulot, The Wander 11 AUS FOR OBE THA VAL dai Salubri:4
>> >> 2x Eurayle Gelasia My 6 AUS OBE for pre Salubri:4
>> >> 2x Maldavis 4 AUS for pre Caitiff:3
>> >> 1x Ladislas Toth, The 7 AUS DOM THA for archbishop !Tremere:3
>> >> 1x Martin Franckel 3 AUS tha Tremere:3
>> >> 1x Jacob, The Glitch 2 THA !Tremere:3
>> >[snip]
>> >Jeff,
>> >I'm curious as to what made you go outside your standard
>> >3x (or 4x) "star" vampire formula. Was there not enough
>> >other vampires to fill in the crypt, so 5x seemed best?
>>
>> I could potentially add another Ladislas Toth and another Infernal
>> Pact or two, and then go down to 4 Saulot, but I was screwed in my
>> last tournament with only 4 copies of Qawiyya el-Ghaduba, and Saulot
>> is even more critical to the success of this deck.
>
> What maths say:
>
> 4 copies / 12 = 85,58% chances of having at least 1 copy in the
> starting crypt.
> 5 copies / 12 = 92,92% " " "
> 5 copies / 13 = 90,20% " " "
> 6 copies / 12 = 96,96% " " "
> 6 copies / 13 = 95,10% " " "
>
> It's cleary better to play 5 copies of the star vampire rather than 4,
> and if you want to add another copy of another vampire, better play
> with a 13 cards crypt.
>
> Playing 6 copies out of 12 is only 4% better but may be justified.

5 in 13 is my favourite place to maximise chances of 'at least one copy'
while minimising chances of 'all 4 are that guy'.

--
salem
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Saulot's Infernal Familiar Will Take Your Soul (Deck

The Lasombra

Kevin M.

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The Lasombra

Wedge

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