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[LSJ] Sargon's fragment

Tazar

11/30/2010 7:12:00 AM

During our casual game we encountered a problem. How should Sargon
fragment be properly used?

You declare that your vampire is doing Sargon fragment action. You do
not have to name a card you are trying to get. But what happens after
blocks are declined ?

a) You take your Ash Heap and SECRETLY take a card and than discard
new card on top of it. Anyone is free to to take a look at your ash
heap before and after you get a card.

b) Since Ash Heap is public and REMAINS PUBLIC all the time you have
to choose a card so that anyone know which one you have chosen.
(Either by naming it or showing what you are getting into your hand or
by doing that in any way that does not obscure which card you get)



Sargon Fragment, The
Type: Equipment
Cost: 1 pool
Unique equipment.
The vampire with this equipment has superior Necromancy [NEC]. This
vampire can move a library card from your ash heap to your hand as an
action that costs 1 blood (discard afterward).
8 Answers

suoli

11/30/2010 7:35:00 AM

0

On 30 marras, 09:12, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> During our casual game we encountered a problem. How should Sargon
> fragment be properly used?
>
> You declare that your vampire is doing Sargon fragment action. You do
> not have to name a card you are trying to get. But what happens after
> blocks are declined ?
>
> a) You take your Ash Heap and SECRETLY take a card and than discard
> new card on top of it. Anyone is free to to take a look at your ash
> heap before and after you get a card.
>
> b) Since Ash Heap is public and REMAINS PUBLIC all the time you have
> to choose a card so that anyone know which one you have chosen.
> (Either by naming it or showing what you are getting into your hand or
> by doing that in any way that does not obscure which card you get)
>
> Sargon Fragment, The
> Type: Equipment
> Cost: 1 pool
> Unique equipment.
> The vampire with this equipment has superior Necromancy [NEC]. This
> vampire can move a library card from your ash heap to your hand as an
> action that costs 1 blood (discard afterward).

They could all look through your ash heap before the action, memorize
the contents and then compare that to what's left in your ash heap or
you could save everybody's time and tell which card you're getting.
But the point is moot since you actually do have to name the targeted
card as you announce the action.

Tazar

11/30/2010 7:58:00 AM

0

On Nov 30, 8:34 am, suoli <suoliruse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 30 marras, 09:12, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > During our casual game we encountered a problem. How should Sargon
> > fragment be properly used?
>
> > You declare that your vampire is doing Sargon fragment action. You do
> > not have to name a card you are trying to get. But what happens after
> > blocks are declined ?
>
> > a) You take your Ash Heap and SECRETLY take a card and than discard
> > new card on top of it. Anyone is free to to take a look at your ash
> > heap before and after you get a card.
>
> > b) Since Ash Heap is public and REMAINS PUBLIC all the time you have
> > to choose a card so that anyone know which one you have chosen.
> > (Either by naming it or showing what you are getting into your hand or
> > by doing that in any way that does not obscure which card you get)
>
> > Sargon Fragment, The
> > Type: Equipment
> > Cost: 1 pool
> > Unique equipment.
> > The vampire with this equipment has superior Necromancy [NEC]. This
> > vampire can move a library card from your ash heap to your hand as an
> > action that costs 1 blood (discard afterward).
>
> They could all look through your ash heap before the action, memorize
> the contents and then compare that to what's left in your ash heap or
> you could save everybody's time and tell which card you're getting.
> But the point is moot since you actually do have to name the targeted
> card as you announce the action.

Actually I disagree with you. You don't have to name a card you will
be retrieving when you announce action. You announce that your vampire
is doing sargon fragment action that's all.

Haze

11/30/2010 8:21:00 AM

0

On Nov 30, 1:57 am, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 30, 8:34 am, suoli <suoliruse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 30 marras, 09:12, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > During our casual game we encountered a problem. How should Sargon
> > > fragment be properly used?
>
> > > You declare that your vampire is doing Sargon fragment action. You do
> > > not have to name a card you are trying to get. But what happens after
> > > blocks are declined ?
>
> > > a) You take your Ash Heap and SECRETLY take a card and than discard
> > > new card on top of it. Anyone is free to to take a look at your ash
> > > heap before and after you get a card.
>
> > > b) Since Ash Heap is public and REMAINS PUBLIC all the time you have
> > > to choose a card so that anyone know which one you have chosen.
> > > (Either by naming it or showing what you are getting into your hand or
> > > by doing that in any way that does not obscure which card you get)
>
> > > Sargon Fragment, The
> > > Type: Equipment
> > > Cost: 1 pool
> > > Unique equipment.
> > > The vampire with this equipment has superior Necromancy [NEC]. This
> > > vampire can move a library card from your ash heap to your hand as an
> > > action that costs 1 blood (discard afterward).
>
> > They could all look through your ash heap before the action, memorize
> > the contents and then compare that to what's left in your ash heap or
> > you could save everybody's time and tell which card you're getting.
> > But the point is moot since you actually do have to name the targeted
> > card as you announce the action.
>
> Actually I disagree with you. You don't have to name a card you will
> be retrieving when you announce action. You announce that your vampire
> is doing sargon fragment action that's all.

The rules disagree with you. You must announce the target(s) of your
action, unless it's a political action.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/ddd3b81731cbeac2/8b24ec...

Tazar

11/30/2010 9:03:00 AM

0

On Nov 30, 9:20 am, Haze <headlessr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 30, 1:57 am, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 30, 8:34 am, suoli <suoliruse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 marras, 09:12, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > During our casual game we encountered a problem. How should Sargon
> > > > fragment be properly used?
>
> > > > You declare that your vampire is doing Sargon fragment action. You do
> > > > not have to name a card you are trying to get. But what happens after
> > > > blocks are declined ?
>
> > > > a) You take your Ash Heap and SECRETLY take a card and than discard
> > > > new card on top of it. Anyone is free to to take a look at your ash
> > > > heap before and after you get a card.
>
> > > > b) Since Ash Heap is public and REMAINS PUBLIC all the time you have
> > > > to choose a card so that anyone know which one you have chosen.
> > > > (Either by naming it or showing what you are getting into your hand or
> > > > by doing that in any way that does not obscure which card you get)
>
> > > > Sargon Fragment, The
> > > > Type: Equipment
> > > > Cost: 1 pool
> > > > Unique equipment.
> > > > The vampire with this equipment has superior Necromancy [NEC]. This
> > > > vampire can move a library card from your ash heap to your hand as an
> > > > action that costs 1 blood (discard afterward).
>
> > > They could all look through your ash heap before the action, memorize
> > > the contents and then compare that to what's left in your ash heap or
> > > you could save everybody's time and tell which card you're getting.
> > > But the point is moot since you actually do have to name the targeted
> > > card as you announce the action.
>
> > Actually I disagree with you. You don't have to name a card you will
> > be retrieving when you announce action. You announce that your vampire
> > is doing sargon fragment action that's all.
>
> The rules disagree with you. You must announce the target(s) of your
> action, unless it's a political action.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyha......

Thanks had a bad information in the begining.

Juggernaut1981

11/30/2010 11:51:00 AM

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On Nov 30, 6:12 pm, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> During our casual game we encountered a problem. How should Sargon
> fragment be properly used?
>
> You declare that your vampire is doing Sargon fragment action. You do
> not have to name a card you are trying to get. But what happens after
> blocks are declined ?

I'd have said this option.
>
> a) You take your Ash Heap and SECRETLY take a card and than discard
> new card on top of it. Anyone is free to to take a look at your ash
> heap before and after you get a card.

> Sargon Fragment, The
> Type: Equipment
> Cost: 1 pool
> Unique equipment.
> The vampire with this equipment has superior Necromancy [NEC]. This
> vampire can move a library card from your ash heap to your hand as an
> action that costs 1 blood (discard afterward).

Yes, your ashheap is public knowledge. The other players can look
through your ashheap at any time, of course being polite while you
look is good sportsmanship, and can look immediately after you move
the card to your library, to determine exactly which card you
retrieved.

Sargon Fragment does not contain any of the "Name a Card" or "Choose a
card and reveal" statements that would imply that the card you choose
is to be public knowledge. That doesn't mean that people can't figure
it out legally and easily.

suoli

11/30/2010 12:04:00 PM

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On 30 marras, 13:51, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 30, 6:12 pm, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > During our casual game we encountered a problem. How should Sargon
> > fragment be properly used?
>
> > You declare that your vampire is doing Sargon fragment action. You do
> > not have to name a card you are trying to get. But what happens after
> > blocks are declined ?
>
> I'd have said this option.
>
>
>
> > a) You take your Ash Heap and SECRETLY take a card and than discard
> > new card on top of it. Anyone is free to to take a look at your ash
> > heap before and after you get a card.
> > Sargon Fragment, The
> > Type: Equipment
> > Cost: 1 pool
> > Unique equipment.
> > The vampire with this equipment has superior Necromancy [NEC]. This
> > vampire can move a library card from your ash heap to your hand as an
> > action that costs 1 blood (discard afterward).
>
> Yes, your ashheap is public knowledge.  The other players can look
> through your ashheap at any time, of course being polite while you
> look is good sportsmanship, and can look immediately after you move
> the card to your library, to determine exactly which card you
> retrieved.
>
> Sargon Fragment does not contain any of the "Name a Card" or "Choose a
> card and reveal" statements that would imply that the card you choose
> is to be public knowledge.  That doesn't mean that people can't figure
> it out legally and easily.

The ease would depend on the size of the ash heap, which could be up
to 89 cards. It would be petty, pointless and a complete waste of
everybody's time to make the rest of the table memorize your whole ash
heap when you could just tell them which card you fetched. The rules
exist for the players, not the other way around.

XZealot

11/30/2010 4:43:00 PM

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On Nov 30, 1:12 am, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> During our casual game we encountered a problem. How should Sargon
> fragment be properly used?
>
> You declare that your vampire is doing Sargon fragment action. You do
> not have to name a card you are trying to get. But what happens after
> blocks are declined ?
>
> a) You take your Ash Heap and SECRETLY take a card and than discard
> new card on top of it. Anyone is free to to take a look at your ash
> heap before and after you get a card.
>
> b) Since Ash Heap is public and REMAINS PUBLIC all the time you have
> to choose a card so that anyone know which one you have chosen.
> (Either by naming it or showing what you are getting into your hand or
> by doing that in any way that does not obscure which card you get)

Neither, you must name the target of your action when you announce
it. It is that simple.


> Sargon Fragment, The
> Type: Equipment
> Cost: 1 pool
> Unique equipment.
> The vampire with this equipment has superior Necromancy [NEC]. This
> vampire can move a library card from your ash heap to your hand as an
> action that costs 1 blood (discard afterward).

salem

11/30/2010 9:12:00 PM

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XZealot wrote:

> On Nov 30, 1:12 am, Tazar <varga_mar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> During our casual game we encountered a problem. How should Sargon
>> fragment be properly used?
>>
>> You declare that your vampire is doing Sargon fragment action. You do
>> not have to name a card you are trying to get. But what happens after
>> blocks are declined ?
>>
>> a) You take your Ash Heap and SECRETLY take a card and than discard
>> new card on top of it. Anyone is free to to take a look at your ash
>> heap before and after you get a card.
>>
>> b) Since Ash Heap is public and REMAINS PUBLIC all the time you have
>> to choose a card so that anyone know which one you have chosen.
>> (Either by naming it or showing what you are getting into your hand or
>> by doing that in any way that does not obscure which card you get)
>
> Neither, you must name the target of your action when you announce
> it. It is that simple.

for times when this type of question come sup around here and people try and
suggest they shouldn't have to name the card, I just reply with "So when I
play Bum's Rush, I don't need to declare the minion I am attacking? You can
just wait until after blocks and find out the fun way!"

--
salem
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