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[Deck] Unnamed bleeder

Cooper

11/25/2010 1:08:00 PM

Hey Guys,

After an idea from xcver i have been playing around with a couple of
versions of an Unnamed Bleeddeck.
It has won most games it has played on JOL. But JOL isnt an average
playground. :-)
(it lost the games with AI played)

Idea is simple ofcourse:
Bleed at stealth with Flurry. Enkil. Bleed again with Enkil. Abdel or
Mylan can untap him after getting toolup.
Easily doable to bleed for 10 in one turn (in 2 bleeds) gaining 4/5
pool in the process.


What do you think of it? What and how to improve?
Other versions below. same questions.

Crypt: (12)
5x The Horde(G6)
5x The unnamed(G6)
2x Abdelsobek(G5)
Library: (60)
Master: (12)
6x Ashur Tablets
2x Tend the Flock
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Path of Evil Revelations
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Rötschreck
Action: (12)
8x Flurry of Action
2x Unleash Hell's Fury
1x Contagion
1x Heart of the City
Action Modifier: (20)
4x Enkil Cog
3x I am Legion
3x Spying Mission
2x Cloak the Gathering
2x Elder Impersonation
2x Faceless Night
2x Lost in Crowds
2x Psychomachia
Action Modifier/Combat: (2)
2x Swallowed by the Night
Ally: (1)
1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
Combat: (4)
4x Majesty
Equipment: (1)
1x Heart of Nizchetus
Reaction: (1)
1x Eluding the Arms of Morpheus
Reaction/Action Modifier: (4)
4x Sense the Sin
Retainer: (3)
2x D'habi Revenant
1x Robert Carter


NEXT VERSION
Homunculus based.
The summoning called by a weenie to get the first Homunculus if
needed.

Crypt: (12)
5x The Horde(G6)
5x The unnamed(G6)
2x Abdelsobek(G5)
Library: (61)
Master: (13)
6x Ashur Tablets
2x Tend the Flock
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Path of Evil Revelations
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Perfectionist
1x Rötschreck
Action: (8)
3x Flurry of Action
2x The Summoning
2x Unleash Hell's Fury
1x Heart of the City
Action Modifier: (20)
4x Enkil Cog
3x I am Legion
3x Spying Mission
2x Cloak the Gathering
2x Elder Impersonation
2x Faceless Night
2x Lost in Crowds
2x Psychomachia
Action Modifier/Combat: (2)
2x Swallowed by the Night
Ally: (2)
1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
1x Veneficti (Mage)
Combat: (4)
4x Majesty
Equipment: (1)
1x Heart of Nizchetus
Reaction: (1)
1x Eluding the Arms of Morpheus
Reaction/Action Modifier: (4)
4x Sense the Sin
Retainer: (6)
3x Homunculus
2x D'habi Revenant
1x Robert Carter

NEXT VERSION

with some extra fun, Dual Forms. Normally just for untapping, but when
the combat decks are gone from the table to get some extra vamps.
A Maleficia-module for some extra defense, AND for some extra anti-
bounce teck. Especially that module is probably needed to play in a RL-
tourney-situation, with more bounce than on JOL.

Crypt: (12)
5x The Horde(G6)
5x The unnamed(G6)
2x Abdelsobek(G5)
Library: (85)
Master: (17)
6x Ashur Tablets
4x Maleficia
2x Tend the Flock
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
1x Path of Evil Revelations
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Secure Haven
Action: (17)
8x Flurry of Action
6x Dual Form
1x Contagion
1x Heart of the City
1x Unleash Hell's Fury
Action Modifier: (25)
4x Enkil Cog
4x I am Legion
3x Psalm of the Damned
3x Psychomachia
3x Spying Mission
2x Cloak the Gathering
2x Elder Impersonation
2x Faceless Night
2x Lost in Crowds
Action Modifier/Combat: (2)
2x Swallowed by the Night
Ally: (2)
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
Combat: (8)
6x Earth Meld
2x Majesty
Combat/Reaction: (3)
3x Evil Eye
Equipment: (1)
1x Heart of Nizchetus
Reaction/Action Modifier: (7)
7x Sense the Sin
Retainer: (3)
2x D'habi Revenant
1x Robert Carter

Very interested in your thoughts and comments.
24 Answers

Blooded Sand

11/25/2010 1:49:00 PM

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On Nov 25, 2:07 pm, Cooper <wouterkuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> After an idea from xcver i have been playing around with a couple of
> versions of an Unnamed Bleeddeck.
> It has won most games it has played on JOL. But JOL isnt an average
> playground. :-)
> (it lost the games with AI played)
>
> Idea is simple ofcourse:
> Bleed at stealth with Flurry. Enkil. Bleed again with Enkil. Abdel or
> Mylan can untap him after getting toolup.
> Easily doable to bleed for 10 in one turn (in 2 bleeds) gaining 4/5
> pool in the process.

The flurry version is the best of the lot i think, and is extra nasty
as you do not pay for the infernal penalty...

I never want to play against this bloody deck, ever, again. It wa
either my prey or pred in just about every game i have played on jol
in the last few months, and it is a ROYAL pain in the arse.

Vincent

11/25/2010 2:07:00 PM

0

On 25 nov, 14:07, Cooper <wouterkuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> After an idea from xcver i have been playing around with a couple of
> versions of an Unnamed Bleeddeck.
> It has won most games it has played on JOL. But JOL isnt an average
> playground. :-)
> (it lost the games with AI played)
>
> Idea is simple ofcourse:
> Bleed at stealth with Flurry. Enkil. Bleed again with Enkil. Abdel or
> Mylan can untap him after getting toolup.
> Easily doable to bleed for 10 in one turn (in 2 bleeds) gaining 4/5
> pool in the process.
>
> What do you think of it? What and how to improve?

Your decks are very hard to read due to their formatting. Which tool
do you use?

From what I saw though, I'd say that you can play Flurry + Homonculus.
I've a deck based on quite the same idea. I haven't tweaked it for a
while, but it was lacking some cards to protect the Unnamed and give
him some blood back. I think these are two very important issues to
take into account.

xcver

11/25/2010 3:38:00 PM

0

On Nov 25, 3:06 pm, Vincent <v.rip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25 nov, 14:07, Cooper <wouterkuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys,
>
> > After an idea from xcver i have been playing around with a couple of
> > versions of an Unnamed Bleeddeck.
> > It has won most games it has played on JOL. But JOL isnt an average
> > playground. :-)
> > (it lost the games with AI played)
>
> > Idea is simple ofcourse:
> > Bleed at stealth with Flurry. Enkil. Bleed again with Enkil. Abdel or
> > Mylan can untap him after getting toolup.
> > Easily doable to bleed for 10 in one turn (in 2 bleeds) gaining 4/5
> > pool in the process.
>
> > What do you think of it? What and how to improve?
>
> Your decks are very hard to read due to their formatting. Which tool
> do you use?
>
> From what I saw though, I'd say that you can play Flurry + Homonculus.
> I've a deck based on quite the same idea. I haven't tweaked it for a
> while, but it was lacking some cards to protect the Unnamed and give
> him some blood back. I think these are two very important issues to
> take into account.

I've had quite good results with a flurry based as well, although
without Ashurs and a Maleficia Engine, see here:

http://www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?deck=view&a...

Cooper

11/25/2010 4:20:00 PM

0

On 25 nov, 14:48, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 2:07 pm, Cooper <wouterkuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys,
>
> > After an idea from xcver i have been playing around with a couple of
> > versions of an Unnamed Bleeddeck.
> > It has won most games it has played on JOL. But JOL isnt an average
> > playground. :-)
> > (it lost the games with AI played)
>
> > Idea is simple ofcourse:
> > Bleed at stealth with Flurry. Enkil. Bleed again with Enkil. Abdel or
> > Mylan can untap him after getting toolup.
> > Easily doable to bleed for 10 in one turn (in 2 bleeds) gaining 4/5
> > pool in the process.
>
> The flurry version is the best of the lot i think, and is extra nasty
> as you do not pay for the infernal penalty...
>
> I never want to play against this bloody deck, ever, again. It wa
> either my prey or pred in just about every game i have played on jol
> in the last few months, and it is a ROYAL pain in the arse.

Actually, usually i do have to pay. Because on the Enkil-action i
rarely use a Flurry. (there aren't that many flurries)
But having Enkil, i usually let the edge pay for the infernality.

The no-protean-no-maleficia version did cycle best i think, but was
tested more thoroughly as well.

W

Cooper

11/25/2010 4:21:00 PM

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On 25 nov, 15:06, Vincent <v.rip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25 nov, 14:07, Cooper <wouterkuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys,
>
> > After an idea from xcver i have been playing around with a couple of
> > versions of an Unnamed Bleeddeck.
> > It has won most games it has played on JOL. But JOL isnt an average
> > playground. :-)
> > (it lost the games with AI played)
>
> > Idea is simple ofcourse:
> > Bleed at stealth with Flurry. Enkil. Bleed again with Enkil. Abdel or
> > Mylan can untap him after getting toolup.
> > Easily doable to bleed for 10 in one turn (in 2 bleeds) gaining 4/5
> > pool in the process.
>
> > What do you think of it? What and how to improve?
>
> Your decks are very hard to read due to their formatting. Which tool
> do you use?
>
> From what I saw though, I'd say that you can play Flurry + Homonculus.
> I've a deck based on quite the same idea. I haven't tweaked it for a
> while, but it was lacking some cards to protect the Unnamed and give
> him some blood back. I think these are two very important issues to
> take into account.

I dont have any trouble reading it. I just copy pasted from Jol. What
is the problem with it?
W

Cooper

11/25/2010 4:27:00 PM

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On 25 nov, 16:38, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 3:06 pm, Vincent <v.rip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 25 nov, 14:07, Cooper <wouterkuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hey Guys,
>
> > > After an idea from xcver i have been playing around with a couple of
> > > versions of an Unnamed Bleeddeck.
> > > It has won most games it has played on JOL. But JOL isnt an average
> > > playground. :-)
> > > (it lost the games with AI played)
>
> > > Idea is simple ofcourse:
> > > Bleed at stealth with Flurry. Enkil. Bleed again with Enkil. Abdel or
> > > Mylan can untap him after getting toolup.
> > > Easily doable to bleed for 10 in one turn (in 2 bleeds) gaining 4/5
> > > pool in the process.
>
> > > What do you think of it? What and how to improve?
>
> > Your decks are very hard to read due to their formatting. Which tool
> > do you use?
>
> > From what I saw though, I'd say that you can play Flurry + Homonculus.
> > I've a deck based on quite the same idea. I haven't tweaked it for a
> > while, but it was lacking some cards to protect the Unnamed and give
> > him some blood back. I think these are two very important issues to
> > take into account.


Oh btw,...only in one game have a found that i was without blood.
Normally in all the others the game is over before that.
People have trouble rushing a guy with 2r aggro as inbuilt. Especially
when they see a rots in your ash.
Plus, Abdel and the Hordes can jump in the way (with the senses even
with intercept)
i even removed the secure haven i think, as people rarely actually got
him.

>
> I've had quite good results with a flurry based as well, although
> without Ashurs and a Maleficia Engine, see here:
>
> http://www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?deck=view&a...

Yeah, i used yours for inspiration :-)

The ashurs are good. I had them go poof a couple of times, but i dont
think it ever had a very big influence on the game. So,.. that master
section could perhaps be used for something else? suddens perhaps? 6
suddens will ruin peoples pooolgain i guess. Or 6 anarch revolts? to
speed up the process, since you will be hated on the table anyway,...

W

Vincent

11/25/2010 7:36:00 PM

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On 25 nov, 17:26, Cooper <wouterkuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25 nov, 16:38, xcver <bernd.schw...@firstdata.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 3:06 pm, Vincent <v.rip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 25 nov, 14:07, Cooper <wouterkuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hey Guys,
>
> > > > After an idea from xcver i have been playing around with a couple of
> > > > versions of an Unnamed Bleeddeck.
> > > > It has won most games it has played on JOL. But JOL isnt an average
> > > > playground. :-)
> > > > (it lost the games with AI played)
>
> > > > Idea is simple ofcourse:
> > > > Bleed at stealth with Flurry. Enkil. Bleed again with Enkil. Abdel or
> > > > Mylan can untap him after getting toolup.
> > > > Easily doable to bleed for 10 in one turn (in 2 bleeds) gaining 4/5
> > > > pool in the process.
>
> > > > What do you think of it? What and how to improve?
>
> > > Your decks are very hard to read due to their formatting. Which tool
> > > do you use?
>
> > > From what I saw though, I'd say that you can play Flurry + Homonculus.
> > > I've a deck based on quite the same idea. I haven't tweaked it for a
> > > while, but it was lacking some cards to protect the Unnamed and give
> > > him some blood back. I think these are two very important issues to
> > > take into account.
>
> Oh btw,...only in one game have a found that i was without blood.
> Normally in all the others the game is over before that.
> People have trouble rushing a guy with 2r aggro as inbuilt. Especially
> when they see a rots in  your ash.
> Plus, Abdel and the Hordes can jump in the way (with the senses even
> with intercept)
> i even removed the secure haven i think, as people rarely actually got
> him.
>
Yeah, that's what I thought but in fact, the blood drains off very
quickly. When at 1 blood, you can't use your agg anymore and it my be
difficult to pay some cards such as block denial etc.
I have hard times reading the deck lists, but Earth Meld should be
included in the deck I think, or replace the Majesty with Staredown.

brandonsantacruz

11/25/2010 7:59:00 PM

0

> NEXT VERSION
>
> with some extra fun, Dual Forms. Normally just for untapping, but when
> the combat decks are gone from the table to get some extra vamps.
> A Maleficia-module for some extra defense, AND for some extra anti-
> bounce teck. Especially that module is probably needed to play in a RL-
> tourney-situation, with more bounce than on JOL.
>
> Crypt: (12)
> 5x The Horde(G6)
> 5x The unnamed(G6)
> 2x Abdelsobek(G5)
> Library: (85)
> Master: (17)
> 6x Ashur Tablets
> 4x Maleficia
> 2x Tend the Flock
> 1x Dreams of the Sphinx
> 1x Giant's Blood
> 1x Path of Evil Revelations
> 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
> 1x Secure Haven
> Action: (17)
> 8x Flurry of Action
> 6x Dual Form
> 1x Contagion
> 1x Heart of the City
> 1x Unleash Hell's Fury
> Action Modifier: (25)
> 4x Enkil Cog
> 4x I am Legion
> 3x Psalm of the Damned
> 3x Psychomachia
> 3x Spying Mission
> 2x Cloak the Gathering
> 2x Elder Impersonation
> 2x Faceless Night
> 2x Lost in Crowds
> Action Modifier/Combat: (2)
> 2x Swallowed by the Night
> Ally: (2)
> 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
> 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
> Combat: (8)
> 6x Earth Meld
> 2x Majesty
> Combat/Reaction: (3)
> 3x Evil Eye
> Equipment: (1)
> 1x Heart of Nizchetus
> Reaction/Action Modifier: (7)
> 7x Sense the Sin
> Retainer: (3)
> 2x D'habi Revenant
> 1x Robert Carter
>
> Very interested in your thoughts and comments.

The Dual Form version won't work with Enkil Cog. You need a 10+ cap
and Dual form lowers The Unnamed to 9. If you timed it right, then one
would get the cog and you could make another Unnnamed. Without the
specials, 1 less capacity, and only 2 blood, I don't know if the
Unnamed #2 will survive. How useful is the Path? if worried about AI,
stick to bleeds of three unless it's your prey's turn.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Brandon

Juggernaut1981

11/25/2010 9:04:00 PM

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On Nov 26, 6:58 am, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > NEXT VERSION
>
> > with some extra fun, Dual Forms. Normally just for untapping, but when
> > the combat decks are gone from the table to get some extra vamps.
> > A Maleficia-module for some extra defense, AND for some extra anti-
> > bounce teck. Especially that module is probably needed to play in a RL-
> > tourney-situation, with more bounce than on JOL.
>
> > Crypt: (12)
> > 5x The Horde(G6)
> > 5x The unnamed(G6)
> > 2x Abdelsobek(G5)
> > Library: (85)
> > Master: (17)
> > 6x Ashur Tablets
> > 4x Maleficia
> > 2x Tend the Flock
> > 1x Dreams of the Sphinx
> > 1x Giant's Blood
> > 1x Path of Evil Revelations
> > 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
> > 1x Secure Haven
> > Action: (17)
> > 8x Flurry of Action
> > 6x Dual Form
> > 1x Contagion
> > 1x Heart of the City
> > 1x Unleash Hell's Fury
> > Action Modifier: (25)
> > 4x Enkil Cog
> > 4x I am Legion
> > 3x Psalm of the Damned
> > 3x Psychomachia
> > 3x Spying Mission
> > 2x Cloak the Gathering
> > 2x Elder Impersonation
> > 2x Faceless Night
> > 2x Lost in Crowds
> > Action Modifier/Combat: (2)
> > 2x Swallowed by the Night
> > Ally: (2)
> > 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
> > 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
> > Combat: (8)
> > 6x Earth Meld
> > 2x Majesty
> > Combat/Reaction: (3)
> > 3x Evil Eye
> > Equipment: (1)
> > 1x Heart of Nizchetus
> > Reaction/Action Modifier: (7)
> > 7x Sense the Sin
> > Retainer: (3)
> > 2x D'habi Revenant
> > 1x Robert Carter
>
> > Very interested in your thoughts and comments.
>
> The Dual Form version won't work with Enkil Cog. You need a 10+ cap
> and Dual form lowers The Unnamed to 9. If you timed it right, then one
> would get the cog and you could make another Unnnamed. Without the
> specials, 1 less capacity, and only 2 blood, I don't know if the
> Unnamed #2 will survive. How useful is the Path? if worried about AI,
> stick to bleeds of three unless it's your prey's turn.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving!
>
> Brandon

I would be tempted to see a "What the Flock" version of the Flurry
Deck. Basically tossing in a few extra copies of Tend the Flock and
make sure you farm out those Hordes... nothing like Nuclear Baali
Bleed... it would be like a Death Star Cannon but with Evil...

salem

11/25/2010 9:57:00 PM

0

Cooper wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> After an idea from xcver i have been playing around with a couple of
> versions of an Unnamed Bleeddeck.
> It has won most games it has played on JOL. But JOL isnt an average
> playground. :-)
> (it lost the games with AI played)
>
> Idea is simple ofcourse:
> Bleed at stealth with Flurry. Enkil. Bleed again with Enkil. Abdel or
> Mylan can untap him after getting toolup.
> Easily doable to bleed for 10 in one turn (in 2 bleeds) gaining 4/5
> pool in the process.

I assume you mean 'in one turn around the table', as even with Enkil you
can't bleed more than once in a given player's turn per minion.

--
salem
(replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)