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Good or Bad: Dissolution

brandonsantacruz

11/24/2010 11:03:00 PM

Dissolution
Combat Card
Cost: 1 blood
pro: Maneuver or press.
PRO: Maneuver, with an optional press.

Is this card good or bad? I can't quite decide. !Gangrel probably like
it most because they can play it for free. Do you use this in decks?
If so, what sort of deck does it perform best with? I don't see any
copies in the TWDA and it can't be *that* bad.

Brandon
6 Answers

Kevin M.

11/24/2010 11:13:00 PM

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brandonsantacruz wrote:
> Dissolution
> Combat Card
> Cost: 1 blood
> pro: Maneuver or press.
> PRO: Maneuver, with an optional press.
>
> Is this card good or bad?

Well, when I think of Dissolution, I think how it instead could just
be Earth Control (to make the action succeed), or Earth Meld or
Form of Mist, for the obvious reasons.

But that's probably not fair, since you are probably coming from
the point-of-view of a combat deck.


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Meej

11/24/2010 11:16:00 PM

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On Nov 24, 6:02 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Dissolution
> Combat Card
> Cost: 1 blood

Ick. Combat cards that cost blood need to have enough oomph, or
enough other options. If you need maneuvers or presses, you probably
only need one or the other a lot of the time (especially with protean)
and you've got access to Gleam of Red Eyes, Form of the Ghost, and
Quick Meld all for free. There's no point paying blood for it. (And
about half the !Gan, who have the Path if their neighbors aren't smart
enough to blow it up, also have access to Flash.)

It's not that it's *that* bad in the abstract, it's just that there
are so many better options. Might be playable in Sealed/Draft.

- D.J.

brandonsantacruz

11/24/2010 11:33:00 PM

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On Nov 24, 3:15 pm, Meej <djchag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 6:02 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dissolution
> > Combat Card
> > Cost: 1 blood
>
> Ick.  Combat cards that cost blood need to have enough oomph, or
> enough other options.  If you need maneuvers or presses, you probably
> only need one or the other a lot of the time (especially with protean)
> and you've got access to Gleam of Red Eyes, Form of the Ghost, and
> Quick Meld all for free.  There's no point paying blood for it.  (And
> about half the !Gan, who have the Path if their neighbors aren't smart
> enough to blow it up, also have access to Flash.)
>
> It's not that it's *that* bad in the abstract, it's just that there
> are so many better options.  Might be playable in Sealed/Draft.
>
> - D.J.

I think that in an ANI pro deck, it could do well. Aids from Bats is
fairly reliable, but what about facing people with maneuvers/presses?
Looking at it a little more, Basilia could probably make use of it if
you really want to burn vampires. Between agg hands, crows, and
potence, she could do a couple rounds, keeping control of where and
how long you fight. If you are running Taste, is the cost that big of
a factor?

Brandon

Peter D Bakija

11/25/2010 1:08:00 AM

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On Nov 24, 6:02 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Dissolution
> Combat Card
> Cost: 1 blood
> pro: Maneuver or press.
> PRO: Maneuver, with an optional press.
>
> Is this card good or bad? I can't quite decide. !Gangrel probably like
> it most because they can play it for free. Do you use this in decks?
> If so, what sort of deck does it perform best with? I don't see any
> copies in the TWDA and it can't be *that* bad.

It isn't that good. It costs a blood, which is questionable. Assuming
you have option to PRO, you could be using Gleam of Red Eyes or Form
of the Ghost. You generally won't need *both* a Maneuver and a Press
in a Protean combat deck, so getting one or the other as needed is
usually all you need.

-Peter

Haze

11/25/2010 2:08:00 AM

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On Nov 24, 5:33 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Nov 24, 3:15 pm, Meej <djchag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 6:02 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Dissolution
> > > Combat Card
> > > Cost: 1 blood
>
> > Ick.  Combat cards that cost blood need to have enough oomph, or
> > enough other options.  If you need maneuvers or presses, you probably
> > only need one or the other a lot of the time (especially with protean)
> > and you've got access to Gleam of Red Eyes, Form of the Ghost, and
> > Quick Meld all for free.  There's no point paying blood for it.  (And
> > about half the !Gan, who have the Path if their neighbors aren't smart
> > enough to blow it up, also have access to Flash.)
>
> > It's not that it's *that* bad in the abstract, it's just that there
> > are so many better options.  Might be playable in Sealed/Draft.
>
> > - D.J.
>
> I think that in an ANI pro deck, it could do well. Aids from Bats is
> fairly reliable, but what about facing people with maneuvers/presses?
> Looking at it a little more, Basilia could probably make use of it if
> you really want to burn vampires. Between agg hands, crows, and
> potence, she could do a couple rounds, keeping control of where and
> how long you fight. If you are running Taste, is the cost that big of
> a factor?
>
> Brandon

You may have a point with the ANI/pro idea. with basic protean it's
worth considering. opens up a possibility for Bobby Lemon, Lord
Ashton, and Sahana. though they might not need the maneuvers that
badly; what if they just use Flesh of Marble to limit damage and focus
entirely on getting presses?

but at superior protean, it's usually better to use the free cards
instead. you can spend that blood point on extra copies of Claws of
the Dead or Wolf Claws if you suddenly need that emergency maneuver/
press. or what the heck, use that blood on Shadow of the Beast for a
*permanent* Dissolution effect. it's too costly and/or redundant as a
transient combat card.

oh yeah, Horrock can play the card for free. so can Adana de Sforza,
but she has CEL anyway.

Tazar

11/25/2010 7:57:00 AM

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On Nov 25, 12:02 am, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Dissolution
> Combat Card
> Cost: 1 blood
> pro: Maneuver or press.
> PRO: Maneuver, with an optional press.
>
> Is this card good or bad? I can't quite decide. !Gangrel probably like
> it most because they can play it for free. Do you use this in decks?
> If so, what sort of deck does it perform best with? I don't see any
> copies in the TWDA and it can't be *that* bad.
>
> Brandon

Mit is also because of fact, that if you think you will need both
maneuver or press there is permanent solution for the same price.

Shadow of the Beast
Type: Action
Requires: Protean
Cost: 1 blood
[pro] Put this card on the acting vampire. The vampire with this card
gets an optional maneuver each combat. A vampire may have only one
Shadow of the Beast.
[PRO] As above, and this vampire gets an optional press each combat.