henrik
11/24/2010 12:31:00 PM
On Nov 24, 12:18 pm, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
> YY <the1andonl...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
> > I just want to confirm that "move X [something]" in V:tES is meant to
> > be read as "move X [something] unless there is less than X, in which
> > case, move all [something]".
> > I am asking because there was a huge thread about Villein a while back
> > that made reference to this rule, and I'd like to know if this applies
> > to all cards with similar text.
>
> One of these things is not like the other...
>
> The difference between some of these cards is that when you are moving
> blood counters (most of your examples), the minion is the target. So you
> can target him even if he has zero blood.
>
> When you are moving cards (Undele), the cards are the target. So you
> must legally target the exact number of cards (2).
Is that made clear somewhere in the rulebook or on the card texts?
From what I see they use the same wording:
"move 2 blood from Saulot to any vampire"
vs
"move two minion cards from your ash heap to your hand"
I'm not sure I disagree with what you're saying, just wondering if
there's anything to back it up other than it sounding good (and well,
I guess that ruling suoli linked could point towards it).
Thinking about it, Undele's card text doesn't even say that you get to
pick which cards or that you should even name them before voting in
the referendum.
> > Ayo Igoli [LoB:U]
> > Cardtype: Vampire
> > Clan: Ishtarri
> > Group: 4
> > Capacity: 10
> > Discipline: obf tha AUS CEL FOR PRE
> > Laibon: Ayo gets an additional vote for each ready titled vampire you
> > control. You may use a discard phase action to move 2 blood from Ayo
> > to a Laibon in your uncontrolled region.
> > Loose Cannon [Gehenna:C]
> > Cardtype: Action Modifier
> > Cost: 1 blood
> > Discipline: Dementation/Thaumaturgy/Vicissitude
> > Requires an anarch. Only usable as the action is announced. If this
> > action is blocked, apply the following effect (before combat occurs):
> > [dem] Tap a younger non-blocking vampire controlled by the blocking
> > minion's controller.
> > [tha] Move 2 blood from a non-blocking vampire controlled by the
> > blocking minion's controller to this vampire.
> > [vic] This acting vampire's hand damage is aggravated in the resulting
> > combat.
> > Menele [CE:V/PB, KMW:PAl, BSC:X]
> > Cardtype: Vampire
> > Clan: Brujah
> > Group: 3
> > Capacity: 10
> > Discipline: aus dom CEL POT PRE THA
> > Camarilla: During your untap phase, you may move 2 blood from Menele
> > to a younger vampire in your uncontrolled region. +1 bleed.
> > Saulot, The Wanderer [LoB:U]
> > Cardtype: Vampire
> > Clan: Salubri
> > Group: 4
> > Capacity: 11
> > Discipline: dai AUS FOR OBE THA VAL
> > Independent: Damage Baali inflict on Saulot is reduced to 0. During
> > your untap phase, you may move 2 blood from Saulot to any vampire in
> > your uncontrolled region or in play. +1 bleed. +1 strength. Scarce.
> > Undele [EK:U]
> > Cardtype: Vampire
> > Clan: Ishtarri
> > Group: 5
> > Capacity: 9
> > Discipline: obf pre ser CEL FOR
> > Laibon magaji: Undele may call a referendum to move two minion cards
> > from your ash heap to your hand as a +1 stealth political action
> > (discard afterward).
> > Villein [KoT:U, HttB:PGar2/PKia2/PSal2/PSam2]
> > Cardtype: Master
> > Master: trifle.
> > Put this card on a vampire you control and move 2 or more blood from
> > that vampire to your pool. Minion Tap cards cost an additional pool.
> > Villein costs an additional pool to play on this vampire.
>
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