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XZealot

11/22/2010 10:00:00 PM

Deck Name : Zilch!
Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
Description :
This is a Zelios speed deck where you use Zelios's special to pay for
the Tomb of Ramses. You can use Anthelios recusion to keep moving
Tomb of Ramses and Golcondas back to your hand. Bring out the heavy
hitters Black Annis and Enkidu.

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 11 average: 8.66667
------------------------------------------------------------

4x Zelios 8 ANI OBF POT pro primogen Nosferatu:
5
2x Enkidu, The Noah 11 ANI CEL OBF POT PRO for !Gangrel:
4
2x Black Annis 9 OBF POT ani pro !
Nosferatu:4
2x Ariadne 8 ANI FOR PRO chi Gangrel:5
2x Nostoket 8 ANI DEM PRO for obt !Gangrel:
4

Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------

Combat [50]
11x Carrion Crows
6x Claws of the Dead
4x Drawing Out the Beast
9x Flesh of Marble
9x Immortal Grapple
1x Pack Alpha
10x Taste of Vitae

Event [1]
1x Anthelios, The Red Star

Master [19]
5x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Parthenon, The
1x Slum Hunting Ground
7x Tomb of Rameses III
5x Villein

Reaction [16]
8x Cats' Guidance
8x Sense the Savage Way

Retainer [4]
1x Murder of Crows
3x Raven Spy

Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Mon Nov 22 15:58:34 2010]

14 Answers

YY

11/23/2010 12:58:00 AM

On Nov 23, 5:59 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> Deck Name : Zilch!
> Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
> Description :
> This is a Zelios speed deck where you use Zelios's special to pay for
> the Tomb of Ramses. You can use Anthelios recusion to keep moving
> Tomb of Ramses and Golcondas back to your hand. Bring out the heavy
> hitters Black Annis and Enkidu.
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 11 average: 8.66667
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 4x Zelios 8 ANI OBF POT pro primogen Nosferatu:
> 5
> 2x Enkidu, The Noah 11 ANI CEL OBF POT PRO for !Gangrel:
> 4
> 2x Black Annis 9 OBF POT ani pro !
> Nosferatu:4
> 2x Ariadne 8 ANI FOR PRO chi Gangrel:5
> 2x Nostoket 8 ANI DEM PRO for obt !Gangrel:
> 4
>
> Library [90 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Combat [50]
> 11x Carrion Crows
> 6x Claws of the Dead
> 4x Drawing Out the Beast
> 9x Flesh of Marble
> 9x Immortal Grapple
> 1x Pack Alpha
> 10x Taste of Vitae
>
> Event [1]
> 1x Anthelios, The Red Star
>
> Master [19]
> 5x Golconda: Inner Peace
> 1x Parthenon, The
> 1x Slum Hunting Ground
> 7x Tomb of Rameses III
> 5x Villein
>
> Reaction [16]
> 8x Cats' Guidance
> 8x Sense the Savage Way
>
> Retainer [4]
> 1x Murder of Crows
> 3x Raven Spy
>
> Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Mon Nov 22 15:58:34 2010]

How about including Nana Buruku to help with the master card flow?
She can use most of the cards in the deck except Claws and Flesh of
Marble without having to tack on Protean.

-YY

XZealot

11/23/2010 1:25:00 AM

On Nov 22, 6:58 pm, YY <the1andonl...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 5:59 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Deck Name : Zilch!
> > Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
> > Description :
> > This is a Zelios speed deck where you use Zelios's special to pay for
> > the Tomb of Ramses. You can use Anthelios recusion to keep moving
> > Tomb of Ramses and Golcondas back to your hand. Bring out the heavy
> > hitters Black Annis and Enkidu.
>
> > Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 11 average: 8.66667
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > 4x Zelios 8 ANI OBF POT pro primogen Nosferatu:
> > 5
> > 2x Enkidu, The Noah 11 ANI CEL OBF POT PRO for !Gangrel:
> > 4
> > 2x Black Annis 9 OBF POT ani pro !
> > Nosferatu:4
> > 2x Ariadne 8 ANI FOR PRO chi Gangrel:5
> > 2x Nostoket 8 ANI DEM PRO for obt !Gangrel:
> > 4
>
> > Library [90 cards]
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Combat [50]
> > 11x Carrion Crows
> > 6x Claws of the Dead
> > 4x Drawing Out the Beast
> > 9x Flesh of Marble
> > 9x Immortal Grapple
> > 1x Pack Alpha
> > 10x Taste of Vitae
>
> > Event [1]
> > 1x Anthelios, The Red Star
>
> > Master [19]
> > 5x Golconda: Inner Peace
> > 1x Parthenon, The
> > 1x Slum Hunting Ground
> > 7x Tomb of Rameses III
> > 5x Villein
>
> > Reaction [16]
> > 8x Cats' Guidance
> > 8x Sense the Savage Way
>
> > Retainer [4]
> > 1x Murder of Crows
> > 3x Raven Spy
>
> > Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Mon Nov 22 15:58:34 2010]
>
> How about including Nana Buruku to help with the master card flow?
> She can use most of the cards in the deck except Claws and Flesh of
> Marble without having to tack on Protean.

Okay, but how is Nana going to help me oust my prey? Bleed for 1?

Ruben Feldman

11/23/2010 10:28:00 AM

>
> Okay, but how is Nana going to help me oust my prey? Bleed for 1?- Zitierten Text ausblenden -
>

Ousting your prey with this doens't seem likely with or without Nana :P

XZealot

11/23/2010 12:15:00 PM

On Nov 23, 4:27 am, Ruben Feldman <frub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Okay, but how is Nana going to help me oust my prey? Bleed for 1?- Zitierten Text ausblenden -
>
> Ousting your prey with this doens't seem likely with or without Nana :P

I thought you only got your deck ideas from the TWDA?

Ruben Feldman

11/23/2010 12:36:00 PM

On 23 Nov., 13:14, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 4:27 am, Ruben Feldman <frub...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Okay, but how is Nana going to help me oust my prey? Bleed for 1?- Zitierten Text ausblenden -
>
> > Ousting your prey with this doens't seem likely with or without Nana :P
>
> I thought you only got your deck ideas from the TWDA?

Not sure if that's a personal attack on my deck choices but you should
know that most of the decks I use are in the TWDA thanks to me.
And this is beside the point that my comment is pertinent: the deck
has no ousting mechanism whatsoever.

XZealot

11/23/2010 1:43:00 PM

On Nov 23, 6:36 am, Ruben Feldman <frub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23 Nov., 13:14, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 4:27 am, Ruben Feldman <frub...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Okay, but how is Nana going to help me oust my prey? Bleed for 1?- Zitierten Text ausblenden -
>
> > > Ousting your prey with this doens't seem likely with or without Nana :P
>
> > I thought you only got your deck ideas from the TWDA?
>
> Not sure if that's a personal attack on my deck choices but you should
> know that most of the decks I use are in the TWDA thanks to me.

As one of the main proponents of the "Swiss School" (i.e. I don't play
a deck at a tournament unless it has already won a tournament), it
seems a little incestuous to only bring decks to a tournament based
upon decks that have already won a tournament.

> And this is beside the point that my comment is pertinent: the deck
> has no ousting mechanism whatsoever.

If you mean it doesn't have ways to inflict massive amounts of pool
damage, then yes you are right, What it does do, in theory, is get
out some heavy hitters fast enough and give you enough pool to survive
long enough to cripple and oust your prey then begin the work of going
backwards around the table. Specifically to address your point, Nana
is not a heavy hitter. She is a good vampire, but not for this deck.

Can it be improved? Yes, this is brand new tech.

Are your comments going to improve it? No

Ruben Feldman

11/23/2010 5:05:00 PM

> As one of the main proponents of the "Swiss School" (i.e. I don't play
> a deck at a tournament unless it has already won a tournament), it
> seems a little incestuous to only bring decks to a tournament based
> upon decks that have already won a tournament.
>

I have played many decks that had not won a tournament previously. The
only tournament decks I have ever played I either created myself or
created with someone else.
If you really insist on attacking me, check the facts first. You can
even look at the TWDA and see for yourself if your not too self-
righteous to check out that website.
I think you are mis-using the term "swiss school" as well but i wont
get into semantics.

> Are your comments going to improve it? No

My comment says you have no ousting mechanism with or without Nana. I
beleive that to be constructive. There are no cards that inflict pool
damage and you do not swarm by any means. Therefore, unless your prey
nearly self-ousts by herself, you will not gain a vp. To be explicit
about how my comment is constructive: adding cards that help you oust
(tension, fame, deep song etc.) will improve the deck...

XZealot

11/23/2010 6:08:00 PM

> Therefore, unless your prey
> nearly self-ousts by herself, you will not gain a vp. To be explicit
> about how my comment is constructive: adding cards that help you oust
> (tension, fame, deep song etc.) will improve the deck...

These comments are constructive.

Rehlow

11/23/2010 9:14:00 PM

On Nov 22, 3:59 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> Deck Name : Zilch!
> Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
> Description :
> This is a Zelios speed deck where you use Zelios's special to pay for
> the Tomb of Ramses. You can use Anthelios recusion to keep moving
> Tomb of Ramses and Golcondas back to your hand. Bring out the heavy
> hitters Black Annis and Enkidu.
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 8 max: 11 average: 8.66667
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 4x Zelios 8 ANI OBF POT pro primogen Nosferatu:
> 5
> 2x Enkidu, The Noah 11 ANI CEL OBF POT PRO for !Gangrel:
> 4
> 2x Black Annis 9 OBF POT ani pro !
> Nosferatu:4
> 2x Ariadne 8 ANI FOR PRO chi Gangrel:5
> 2x Nostoket 8 ANI DEM PRO for obt !Gangrel:
> 4
>
> Library [90 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Combat [50]
> 11x Carrion Crows
> 6x Claws of the Dead
> 4x Drawing Out the Beast
> 9x Flesh of Marble
> 9x Immortal Grapple
> 1x Pack Alpha
> 10x Taste of Vitae
>
> Event [1]
> 1x Anthelios, The Red Star
>
> Master [19]
> 5x Golconda: Inner Peace
> 1x Parthenon, The
> 1x Slum Hunting Ground
> 7x Tomb of Rameses III
> 5x Villein
>
> Reaction [16]
> 8x Cats' Guidance
> 8x Sense the Savage Way
>
> Retainer [4]
> 1x Murder of Crows
> 3x Raven Spy
>
> Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Mon Nov 22 15:58:34 2010]

I would like to see this deck in action.

XZealot,

If you don't (and I guess 2-3 other people don't) mind my limited time
frame in which I can check and play JOL, can you setup a game using
this deck? I have a deck I'd like to test and it isn't built with any
focus to stop you, so I think it would be a good test. I might
actually have time to do some frequent JOL checking or even RL in the
next couple days with the Thanksgiving weekend.

Later,
~Rehlow / (st)rehlow on JOL

XZealot

11/23/2010 9:16:00 PM

> If you don't (and I guess 2-3 other people don't) mind my limited time
> frame in which I can check and play JOL, can you setup a game using
> this deck?

Sure!

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