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Deck: Toreador Large Cap Votes

VoodooMachine@gmail.com

11/20/2010 6:50:00 AM

First time posting, but had a deck that I've been using a little while
and wondered if anyone had any suggestions to improve it.

So far I've been winning by bouncing bleeds, then voting my prey to
death when he gets weak. Or, if he's tapped out, simply walking in and
bleeding with all the high caps who have +1 or +2 bleed.

Crypt:
Franciscus aus 1 Catiff
Dieter Kleist aus 2 Toreador
3x Anson aus dom CEL PRE 8 Toreador
Masika AUS CEL PRE 10 Toreador
2x Francois Villon chi obf pot AUS CEL PRE 10 Toreador
2x Anneke dom AUS CEL PRE 10 Toreador
2x Alexandra dom ANI AUS CEL PRE 11 Toreador

Library:

Master: (29)
3x Aching Beauty
2x Auspex
The Barrens
4x Blood Doll
3x Effective Management
Elder Library
Elysium: The Arboretum
Fear of Mekhet
Giant's Blood
Kindred Society Games
KRCG News Radio
Legendary Vampire
Metro Underground
Millicent Smith - Puritan Vampire Hunter
Minion Tap
The Rack
Short Term Investment
2x Society Hunting Ground
Toreador Grand Ball

Political Actions: (19)
Banishment
4x Conservative Agitation
2x Disputed Territory
2x First Tradition: The Masquerade
Honor The Elders
2x Kine Resources Contested
5x Parity Shift
Political Stranglehold
Year of Fortune

Reaction: (21)
2x The Second Tradition
11x Telepathic Misdirection
8x Wake with Evening's Freshness

Equipment/Retainer: (6)
Bowl of Convergence
Palatial Estate
3x Resplendent Protector
Sport Bike

Combat Modifier: (6)
6x Majesty

Action Modifier: (9)
4x Bewitching Oration
Telepathic Vote Counting
4x Voter Captivation


Things I would like to put in include: Art Musuem, another Bowl of
Convergence, more Second Traditions, and more Minion Taps. I'm working
on getting those, but currently don't have any more.

Suggestions?
8 Answers

suoli

11/20/2010 7:25:00 AM

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On 20 marras, 08:50, "VoodooMach...@gmail.com"
<voodoomach...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First time posting, but had a deck that I've been using a little while
> and wondered if anyone had any suggestions to improve it.
>
> So far I've been winning by bouncing bleeds, then voting my prey to
> death when he gets weak. Or, if he's tapped out, simply walking in and
> bleeding with all the high caps who have +1 or +2 bleed.
>
> Crypt:
> Franciscus aus 1 Catiff
> Dieter Kleist aus 2 Toreador

Inferior Auspex is pretty useless. Use weenies that start out with AUS
or pre instead.

> 3x Anson aus dom CEL PRE 8 Toreador
> Masika AUS CEL PRE 10 Toreador
> 2x Francois Villon chi obf pot AUS CEL PRE 10 Toreador
> 2x Anneke dom AUS CEL PRE 10 Toreador
> 2x Alexandra dom ANI AUS CEL PRE 11 Toreador
>
> Library:
>
> Master: (29)
> 3x Aching Beauty
> 2x Auspex

Discipline masters are pretty bad in normal decks.

> The Barrens
> 4x Blood Doll
> 3x Effective Management

Should probably be Information Highways.

> Elder Library
> Elysium: The Arboretum
> Fear of Mekhet

This could turn against your own vampires.

> Giant's Blood
> Kindred Society Games

I would drop this.

> KRCG News Radio
> Legendary Vampire
> Metro Underground

And this. You have enough Wakes.

> Millicent Smith - Puritan Vampire Hunter
> Minion Tap

Should be Villeins if you can get them.

> The Rack

Sketchy. You don't have enough intercept against stealthy decks or
combat against combat decks to defend this.

> Short Term Investment

Bad card. Dreams of the Sphinx will give you as much pool with only 1
master phase action.

> 2x Society Hunting Ground

Hunting Grounds are too expensive for what they do. You should be
recouping blood with Voter Caps anyway.

> Toreador Grand Ball
>
> Political Actions: (19)
> Banishment
> 4x Conservative Agitation
> 2x Disputed Territory

1 is usually enough.

> 2x First Tradition: The Masquerade
> Honor The Elders
> 2x Kine Resources Contested
> 5x Parity Shift
> Political Stranglehold
> Year of Fortune

Not a very good card IMO.

>
> Reaction: (21)
> 2x The Second Tradition
> 11x Telepathic Misdirection
> 8x Wake with Evening's Freshness
>
> Equipment/Retainer: (6)
> Bowl of Convergence
> Palatial Estate

You can't afford to spend the only action of an 8-11 cap for this when
you could be voting and Capping.

> 3x Resplendent Protector
> Sport Bike
>
> Combat Modifier: (6)
> 6x Majesty

You could easily have about 10 Majesties.

>
> Action Modifier: (9)
> 4x  Bewitching Oration
> Telepathic Vote Counting
> 4x Voter Captivation

2-4 more Voter Caps. Consider Change of Targets to combat Wakes and
bounce.

>
> Things I would like to put in include: Art Musuem, another Bowl of
> Convergence, more Second Traditions,

Sounds good.

> and more Minion Taps. I'm working
> on getting those, but currently don't have any more.
>
> Suggestions?

You should be using Villeins. They're a bit easier to get now that
they come in starters.

3rdshiftr

11/20/2010 8:28:00 AM

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On Nov 19, 11:24 pm, suoli <suoliruse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 20 marras, 08:50, "VoodooMach...@gmail.com"

>
> > Suggestions?
>
> You should be using Villeins. They're a bit easier to get now that
> they come in starters.


11x Telepathic Misdirection --diversify unless all you see are bleed
decks: Quicken Sight will give you +2 intercept plus a manuever. Since
your only combat is Majesty (yes 10 is about right) some maneuvers
could save you against Grapples.

-4 or 5 TeleMis, , +4 or 5 Quicken Sight. if no Quicken Sights, I'd
run 5x Precognition

My AAA tournament deck used Seduction (at inferior) and 4-5 Blind
Spots to deal with blockers. A misplayed Approximation of Loyalty cost
me the final.
I also used Victoria Ash, 5 cap primogen with PRE, dom, and a good
special, tap younger vamps at +1 stealth.

VoodooMachine@gmail.com

11/20/2010 8:47:00 AM

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> > Crypt:
> > Franciscus aus 1 Catiff
> > Dieter Kleist aus 2 Toreador
>
> Inferior Auspex is pretty useless. Use weenies that start out with AUS
> or pre instead.

How about I swap out those two for:

Zoe AUS cel obf 3 Malkavin
Blythe Candeleria AUS THA 3 Tremere

It raises my crypt cost a little, but gives me two more AUS.

> > 2x Auspex
>
> Discipline masters are pretty bad in normal decks.

If I swap out for people with AUS, that only leaves Anson (3/12 crypt)
with aus. However, with Fransicus and Dieter, I have 5/12 crypt w/aus.
That was the original purpose. To give either Anson or the little guys
AUS.

> Should probably be Information Highways.

I agree, but don't have any. If I could get some, I would happily
throw them in. I still like Effective management, especially with
Anson out.

> > Fear of Mekhet
>
> This could turn against your own vampires.

I've been careful to play this only when the other vampire can't pay
the cost. Removing a justicar or prince from my predator or prey is
pretty nice, especially if it pushes me that much closer to vote
superiority.

> > Kindred Society Games
>
> I would drop this.

Any reason? So far it works for me, especially since most my vamps are
so high that it can't come back and hurt me.

> > Metro Underground
>
> And this. You have enough Wakes.

Yeah, I'm going to do that.


> > Minion Tap
>
> Should be Villeins if you can get them.

I'll keep an eye open.

>
> > The Rack
>
> Sketchy. You don't have enough intercept against stealthy decks or
> combat against combat decks to defend this.
>

Haven't had too many problems keeping it. Very rarely does it seem to
get stolen. Most people are too worried about their own actions to
waste one grabbing it off of me.

> > Short Term Investment
>
> Bad card. Dreams of the Sphinx will give you as much pool with only 1
> master phase action.
>

Another card I sadly don't have. However, looking at it, I see your
point. Thinking back, there isn't too many turns where I've been able
to pull blood off of it, vs doing something more useful.

> > 2x Society Hunting Ground
>
> Hunting Grounds are too expensive for what they do. You should be
> recouping blood with Voter Caps anyway.

Really? Our area are all running them, 1 or 2 per deck.

> > 2x Disputed Territory
>
> 1 is usually enough.

Works really well when I need to voter cap. Offer someone with a good
number of votes someone else's territory, and watch my guy refill.

> > Year of Fortune
>
> Not a very good card IMO.

Same as Disputed Territory. Great for grabbing votes and capping.

> > Palatial Estate
>
> You can't afford to spend the only action of an 8-11 cap for this when
> you could be voting and Capping.

You seem to dislike continual refilling stations (hunting grounds,
palatial estate, etc.). I've found that I generally have enough time
to go grab this, especially for Masika.


> > 6x Majesty
>
> You could easily have about 10 Majesties.

In a foolish move, I traded away three to a friend. Hopefully I can
try and get a few more, as they are amazing.

> > 4x Voter Captivation
>
> 2-4 more Voter Caps. Consider Change of Targets to combat Wakes and
> bounce.

Agreed. I'll hunt down some more. Although people are more and more
either shutting down my votes, or keeping the vote to just passing by
one or two, to prevent a large voter cap.

> You should be using Villeins. They're a bit easier to get now that
> they come in starters.

I'll hunt down a few.

Thanks for the help.

VoodooMachine@gmail.com

11/20/2010 8:49:00 AM

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> 11x Telepathic Misdirection  --diversify unless all you see are bleed
> decks: Quicken Sight will give you +2 intercept plus a manuever. Since
> your only combat is Majesty (yes 10 is about right) some maneuvers
> could save you against Grapples.

To be honest, I haven't seen any grapples by anyone other then myself.
Could just be the local meta. On the other hand, I've seen some nasty
ranged combatants (thrown cars, sewer lids, guns), and I've tried to
avoid combat and either soak the low bleeds, or bounce the high ones.

> My AAA tournament deck used  Seduction (at inferior) and 4-5 Blind
> Spots to deal with blockers. A misplayed Approximation of Loyalty cost
> me the final.
> I also used Victoria Ash, 5 cap primogen with PRE, dom, and a good
> special, tap younger vamps at +1 stealth.

Will look into those. Thanks.

suoli

11/20/2010 9:04:00 AM

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On 20 marras, 10:47, "VoodooMach...@gmail.com"
<voodoomach...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Crypt:
> > > Franciscus aus 1 Catiff
> > > Dieter Kleist aus 2 Toreador
>
> > Inferior Auspex is pretty useless. Use weenies that start out with AUS
> > or pre instead.
>
> How about I swap out those two for:
>
> Zoe AUS cel obf 3 Malkavin
> Blythe Candeleria AUS THA 3 Tremere
>
> It raises my crypt cost a little, but gives me two more AUS.

Sure.

> > > Kindred Society Games
>
> > I would drop this.
>
> Any reason? So far it works for me, especially since most my vamps are
> so high that it can't come back and hurt me.

Because it's a Society of Leopold that doesn't burn empty vampires and
the "action" to move it is unblockable. Master phase actions are more
valuable than that.

>
> > > 2x Society Hunting Ground
>
> > Hunting Grounds are too expensive for what they do. You should be
> > recouping blood with Voter Caps anyway.
>
> Really? Our area are all running them, 1 or 2 per deck.

And they should all be Perfectionists. ;)

> > > Palatial Estate
>
> > You can't afford to spend the only action of an 8-11 cap for this when
> > you could be voting and Capping.
>
> You seem to dislike continual refilling stations (hunting grounds,
> palatial estate, etc.). I've found that I generally have enough time
> to go grab this, especially for Masika.

On the contrary, Perfectionist is one of my all time favorite cards.
Palatial Estate and hunting grounds are just bad cards, especially
when you have Voter Cap.

> > > 4x Voter Captivation
>
> > 2-4 more Voter Caps. Consider Change of Targets to combat Wakes and
> > bounce.
>
> Agreed. I'll hunt down some more. Although people are more and more
> either shutting down my votes, or keeping the vote to just passing by
> one or two, to prevent a large voter cap.

In that case you might want some more vote push. Scalpel Tongues and
Perfect Paragons are pretty neat.

> > You should be using Villeins. They're a bit easier to get now that
> > they come in starters.
>
> I'll hunt down a few.
>
> Thanks for the help.

I find myself recommending a Heirs to the Blood starter box over and
over again. It's full of staple cards.

brandonsantacruz

11/20/2010 1:38:00 PM

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On Nov 19, 10:50 pm, "VoodooMach...@gmail.com"
<voodoomach...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First time posting, but had a deck that I've been using a little while
> and wondered if anyone had any suggestions to improve it.
>
> So far I've been winning by bouncing bleeds, then voting my prey to
> death when he gets weak. Or, if he's tapped out, simply walking in and
> bleeding with all the high caps who have +1 or +2 bleed.
>
> Crypt:
> Franciscus aus 1 Catiff
> Dieter Kleist aus 2 Toreador
> 3x Anson aus dom CEL PRE 8 Toreador
> Masika AUS CEL PRE 10 Toreador
> 2x Francois Villon chi obf pot AUS CEL PRE 10 Toreador
> 2x Anneke dom AUS CEL PRE 10 Toreador
> 2x Alexandra dom ANI AUS CEL PRE 11 Toreador
>
> Library:
>
> Master: (29)
> 3x Aching Beauty
> 2x Auspex
> The Barrens
> 4x Blood Doll
> 3x Effective Management
> Elder Library
> Elysium: The Arboretum
> Fear of Mekhet
> Giant's Blood
> Kindred Society Games
> KRCG News Radio
> Legendary Vampire
> Metro Underground
> Millicent Smith - Puritan Vampire Hunter
> Minion Tap
> The Rack
> Short Term Investment
> 2x Society Hunting Ground
> Toreador Grand Ball
>
> Political Actions: (19)
> Banishment
> 4x Conservative Agitation
> 2x Disputed Territory
> 2x First Tradition: The Masquerade
> Honor The Elders
> 2x Kine Resources Contested
> 5x Parity Shift
> Political Stranglehold
> Year of Fortune
>
> Reaction: (21)
> 2x The Second Tradition
> 11x Telepathic Misdirection
> 8x Wake with Evening's Freshness
>
> Equipment/Retainer: (6)
> Bowl of Convergence
> Palatial Estate
> 3x Resplendent Protector
> Sport Bike
>
> Combat Modifier: (6)
> 6x Majesty
>
> Action Modifier: (9)
> 4x  Bewitching Oration
> Telepathic Vote Counting
> 4x Voter Captivation
>
> Things I would like to put in include: Art Musuem, another Bowl of
> Convergence, more Second Traditions, and more Minion Taps. I'm working
> on getting those, but currently don't have any more.
>
> Suggestions?

Hi and welcome to the group. It looks like you might be playing with
mostly Jyhad era cards, am I right? Do you guys know/play with the
errata that the designers put out later on Blythe, Majesty, etc?
Blythe now only has THA aus and Majesty costs a blood. There may be
others, but that's what stands out to me. I've got to go for now, but
I'll be happy to help you once I'm back from LA.

Brandon

The Lasombra

11/20/2010 5:17:00 PM

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:03:36 -0800 (PST), suoli wrote:

>I find myself recommending a Heirs to the Blood starter box over and
>over again. It's full of staple cards.

Where is it that you are recommending people buy them?

VoodooMachine@gmail.com

11/21/2010 10:14:00 AM

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> Hi and welcome to the group. It looks like you might be playing with
> mostly Jyhad era cards, am I right? Do you guys know/play with the
> errata that the designers put out later on Blythe, Majesty, etc?
> Blythe now only has THA aus and Majesty costs a blood. There may be
> others, but that's what stands out to me. I've got to go for now, but
> I'll be happy to help you once I'm back from LA.
>
> Brandon

Yes, we're also playing the Second Tradition with a one blood cost for
the untap, despite having the old cards. Enjoy LA!