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LSJ: Wooden Stake + infinite combat (trap+undying tenacity

Reverend_Black

10/27/2010 9:57:00 AM

This one happened last Sunday:

My vamp, T.J. (with 2 blood) and my prey's Jaroslav Pascek (full cap)
is in combat. Pascek has a wooden stake. I play Trap. T.J. strikes for
1 damage and recieves 3 damage from Pascek's stake. I play Undying
Tenacity. The combat continues until both vamps are in torpor (I
played occational prevents to prolong the combat to a total of 10
rounds).

Question: At witch point should T.J. have recieved the Wooden Stake?
During combat or after he went to torpor?
9 Answers

Lönkka

10/27/2010 10:12:00 AM

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On Oct 27, 12:56 pm, Reverend_Black <bjornstegerl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This one happened last Sunday:
>
> My vamp, T.J. (with 2 blood) and my prey's Jaroslav Pascek (full cap)
> is in combat. Pascek has a wooden stake. I play Trap. T.J. strikes for
> 1 damage and recieves 3 damage from Pascek's stake. I play Undying
> Tenacity. The combat continues until both vamps are in torpor (I
> played occational prevents to prolong the combat to a total of 10
> rounds).
>
> Question: At witch point should T.J. have recieved the Wooden Stake?
> During combat or after he went to torpor?

I'd say that T.J. gets Wooden Stake when he finally goes to torpor.
Basically he'd be going to torpor from Jaroslav's initial strike of 3
(fulfilling the Wooden Stake's conditions, with the exception of him
not immediately going to torpor because of Undying Tenacity)


Wooden Stake
Equipment
Melee weapon.
Strike: strength damage. If more than 1 damage is inflicted on an
opposing vampire by this weapon in a given combat, that vampire is
sent to torpor. In that case, this card is transferred to that
vampire, and he or she doesn't untap as normal during the untap phase
as long as he or she remains in torpor.

Undying Tenacity
Combat
[for] Only usable when this vampire should go to torpor. This vampire
will not go to torpor until after combat ends (although he or she is
still wounded and can be burned by aggravated damage).

-Janne/Lönkka

Juggernaut1981

10/27/2010 10:32:00 AM

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On Oct 27, 8:56 pm, Reverend_Black <bjornstegerl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This one happened last Sunday:
>
> My vamp, T.J. (with 2 blood) and my prey's Jaroslav Pascek (full cap)
> is in combat. Pascek has a wooden stake. I play Trap. T.J. strikes for
> 1 damage and recieves 3 damage from Pascek's stake. I play Undying
> Tenacity. The combat continues until both vamps are in torpor (I
> played occational prevents to prolong the combat to a total of 10
> rounds).
>
> Question: At witch point should T.J. have recieved the Wooden Stake?
> During combat or after he went to torpor?

As per Wooden Stake... the vampire going to torpor gains the Stake
when they would be entering torpor.

LSJ

10/27/2010 11:04:00 AM

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On Oct 27, 6:11 am, Lönkka <lon...@fantasiapelit.fi> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 12:56 pm, Reverend_Black <bjornstegerl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This one happened last Sunday:
>
> > My vamp, T.J. (with 2 blood) and my prey's Jaroslav Pascek (full cap)
> > is in combat. Pascek has a wooden stake. I play Trap. T.J. strikes for
> > 1 damage and recieves 3 damage from Pascek's stake. I play Undying
> > Tenacity. The combat continues until both vamps are in torpor (I
> > played occational prevents to prolong the combat to a total of 10
> > rounds).
>
> > Question: At witch point should T.J. have recieved the Wooden Stake?
> > During combat or after he went to torpor?
>
> I'd say that T.J. gets Wooden Stake when he finally goes to torpor.
> Basically he'd be going to torpor from Jaroslav's initial strike of 3
> (fulfilling the Wooden Stake's conditions, with the exception of him
> not immediately going to torpor because of Undying Tenacity)

Correct.
>
> Wooden Stake
> Equipment
> Melee weapon.
> Strike: strength damage. If more than 1 damage is inflicted on an
> opposing vampire by this weapon in a given combat, that vampire is
> sent to torpor. In that case, this card is transferred to that
> vampire, and he or she doesn't untap as normal during the untap phase
> as long as he or she remains in torpor.
>
> Undying Tenacity
> Combat
> [for] Only usable when this vampire should go to torpor. This vampire
> will not go to torpor until after combat ends (although he or she is
> still wounded and can be burned by aggravated damage).
>
> -Janne/Lönkka

Reverend_Black

10/27/2010 11:08:00 AM

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On 27 Okt, 12:32, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 8:56 pm, Reverend_Black <bjornstegerl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This one happened last Sunday:
>
> > My vamp, T.J. (with 2 blood) and my prey's Jaroslav Pascek (full cap)
> > is in combat. Pascek has a wooden stake. I play Trap. T.J. strikes for
> > 1 damage and recieves 3 damage from Pascek's stake. I play Undying
> > Tenacity. The combat continues until both vamps are in torpor (I
> > played occational prevents to prolong the combat to a total of 10
> > rounds).
>
> > Question: At witch point should T.J. have recieved the Wooden Stake?
> > During combat or after he went to torpor?
>
> As per Wooden Stake... the vampire going to torpor gains the Stake
> when they would be entering torpor.

Yes. I agree. Would be silly otherwise. If it were transferred during
combat it could in theory jump between both vampires several times if
both players chose to use it.

Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt

10/27/2010 11:42:00 AM

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On Oct 27, 11:56 am, Reverend_Black <bjornstegerl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This one happened last Sunday:
>
> My vamp, T.J. (with 2 blood) and my prey's Jaroslav Pascek (full cap)
> is in combat. Pascek has a wooden stake. I play Trap. T.J. strikes for
> 1 damage and recieves 3 damage from Pascek's stake. I play Undying
> Tenacity. The combat continues until both vamps are in torpor (I
> played occational prevents to prolong the combat to a total of 10
> rounds).
>
> Question: At witch point should T.J. have recieved the Wooden Stake?
> During combat or after he went to torpor?

Just curious. Why would this result in an infinite combat?

Lönkka

10/27/2010 1:25:00 PM

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On Oct 27, 2:42 pm, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt"
<nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just curious. Why would this result in an infinite combat?

You could call it "infinite" combat.

As long as someone plays combat card at least every 3 rounds, doesn't
press against Trap, doesn't Combat End and doesn't burn the other vamp
with aggravated when it is empty it basically will go on until
infinity.


Been there, done that (although I do prefer Undead Persistence) as
some of you might know...

-Janne/Lönkka :P

Reverend_Black

10/27/2010 3:24:00 PM

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On 27 Okt, 15:25, Lönkka <lon...@fantasiapelit.fi> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2:42 pm, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt"
>
> <nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just curious. Why would this result in an infinite combat?
>
> You could call it "infinite" combat.
>
> As long as someone plays combat card at least every 3 rounds, doesn't
> press against Trap, doesn't Combat End and doesn't burn the other vamp
> with aggravated when it is empty it basically will go on until
> infinity.
>
> Been there, done that (although I do prefer Undead Persistence) as
> some of you might know...
>
> -Janne/Lönkka :P

I'm using both Undying Tenacity and Undead Persistance in this one.
It's My main candidate for à tournament next week. It did really well
when I tested it and swept a four player table in good time before the
time limit. Will not reveal the rest of the deck before the tournament
but I'll publish it on Secret Library afterwards.

Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt

10/27/2010 6:23:00 PM

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On 27 Okt., 15:25, Lönkka <lon...@fantasiapelit.fi> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2:42 pm, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt"
>
> <nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just curious. Why would this result in an infinite combat?
>
> You could call it "infinite" combat.
>
> As long as someone plays combat card at least every 3 rounds, doesn't
> press against Trap, doesn't Combat End and doesn't burn the other vamp
> with aggravated when it is empty it basically will go on until
> infinity.
>
> Been there, done that (although I do prefer Undead Persistence) as
> some of you might know...
>
> -Janne/Lönkka :P

Ahh, come on! Thats not infinite! Then every combat could be infinite,
assuming people keep playing presses.. :)
Infinite is withou playing extra cards, like the old meat hook kind of
thing.

Lönkka

10/27/2010 8:57:00 PM

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On Oct 27, 9:22 pm, "Nikolaj \"Lord of the Betrayers\" Wendt"
<nikolajwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahh, come on! Thats not infinite! Then every combat could be infinite,
> assuming people keep playing presses.. :)
> Infinite is withou playing extra cards, like the old meat hook kind of
> thing.

Indeed!
Thats why I said it could be called "infinite"... ;)

-Janne/Lönkka