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Amenophobis

10/19/2010 12:22:00 PM

Because I was reminded this weekend of the glory past, I thought I'd
share some information:

Country with the highest number of EC events run: Austria (3)
Country with the hightest number of European Champions: Austria (3)
EC Champions who won more than one EC: 1 (Martin Weinmayer, Austria,
2x)

And still, Martin Weinmayer is not invited to the Legendary Vampire
event. This may as well have to do with the broken ranking system, but
I could be wrong. ;)
23 Answers

Stone

10/19/2010 2:19:00 PM

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"Amenophobis" <preacher99@gmx.at> a écrit dans le message de
news:84c089c0-0d28-467f-9562-d0f8fa2775a6@t13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Because I was reminded this weekend of the glory past, I thought I'd
> share some information:
>
> Country with the highest number of EC events run: Austria (3)
> Country with the hightest number of European Champions: Austria (3)
> EC Champions who won more than one EC: 1 (Martin Weinmayer, Austria,
> 2x)
>
> And still, Martin Weinmayer is not invited to the Legendary Vampire
> event. This may as well have to do with the broken ranking system, but
> I could be wrong. ;)

well, even though the rating calculation and/or ranking may not be right for
weird reasons, the list of events a given player attended is usually much
more accurate. So when you look at his page, it looks like he was in torpor
in 2007 and 2008, and like many guys who get out of torpor, he's back in
very good shape and justs storms the 2009 EC.
But still, in the last 18 months, it looks like he attended only 5
tournaments. So actually, he shouldn't have any ranking at all if the list
is correct, since you need 8 tournaments in IIRC.
So, from that point of view, it explains why he isn't invited to the LV -
but then, the LV is for 25 people only and of course, there are much, much
more than 25 very good players around. Some of the current 25 in the LV just
suck when compared to other players who aren't in the 25, I know since I'm
in...but I digress.
Stone

Amenophobis

10/19/2010 2:32:00 PM

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On 19 Okt., 16:18, "Stone" <mc_judge_st...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> "Amenophobis" <preache...@gmx.at> a écrit dans le message denews:84c089c0-0d28-467f-9562-d0f8fa2775a6@t13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Because I was reminded this weekend of the glory past, I thought I'd
> > share some information:
>
> > Country with the highest number of EC events run: Austria (3)
> > Country with the hightest number of European Champions: Austria (3)
> > EC Champions who won more than one EC: 1 (Martin Weinmayer, Austria,
> > 2x)
>
> > And still, Martin Weinmayer is not invited to the Legendary Vampire
> > event. This may as well have to do with the broken ranking system, but
> > I could be wrong.  ;)
>
> well, even though the rating calculation and/or ranking may not be right for
> weird reasons, the list of events a given player attended is usually much
> more accurate. So when you look at his page, it looks like he was in torpor
> in 2007 and 2008, and like many guys who get out of torpor, he's back in
> very good shape and justs storms the 2009 EC.
> But still, in the last 18 months, it looks like he attended only 5
> tournaments. So actually, he shouldn't have any ranking at all if the list
> is correct, since you need 8 tournaments in IIRC.
> So, from that point of view, it explains why he isn't invited to the LV -
> but then, the LV is for 25 people only and of course, there are much, much
> more than 25 very good players around. Some of the current 25 in the LV just
> suck when compared to other players who aren't in the 25, I know since I'm
> in...but I digress.
> Stone

The few nubers of tournaments could be the cause, right. :)
But, but, but - if what you say about players being in that suck
compared to others not in is true, isn't this some kind of evidence
that the ranking system sucks? ;)

Stone

10/19/2010 3:25:00 PM

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"Amenophobis" <preacher99@gmx.at> a écrit dans le message de
news:b4a51bcd-8f25-4546-9637-20887a7b05f9@i21g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> > So, from that point of view, it explains why he isn't invited to the
LV -
> > but then, the LV is for 25 people only and of course, there are much,
much
> > more than 25 very good players around. Some of the current 25 in the LV
just
> > suck when compared to other players who aren't in the 25, I know since
I'm
> > in...but I digress.
> > Stone

> The few nubers of tournaments could be the cause, right. :)
> But, but, but - if what you say about players being in that suck
> compared to others not in is true, isn't this some kind of evidence
> that the ranking system sucks? ;)

Nah, was just speaking for myself, not boasting or anything. When you look
at players like Orian, Hugh, Erik, Yannick etc. they're just high in ranking
for a reason, because they're good, period. Players of such caliber are in
high ranking because they deserve to be.
In 2025, maybe we'll do a Legendary Vampire: Reloaded tournament, with only
25 players and with a different prerequisite. Something easy, like...winning
a Continental Championship. That would rock.
Stone

P.S. for those of you googling in the year 2025, marvel at the beauty of my
predictions

squidalot

10/20/2010 9:12:00 PM

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On Oct 19, 4:25 pm, "Stone" <mc_judge_st...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> "Amenophobis" <preache...@gmx.at> a écrit dans le message denews:b4a51bcd-8f25-4546-9637-20887a7b05f9@i21g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > So, from that point of view, it explains why he isn't invited to the
> LV -
> > > but then, the LV is for 25 people only and of course, there are much,
> much
> > > more than 25 very good players around. Some of the current 25 in the LV
> just
> > > suck when compared to other players who aren't in the 25, I know since
> I'm
> > > in...but I digress.
> > > Stone
> > The few nubers of tournaments could be the cause, right.   :)
> > But, but, but - if what you say about players being in that suck
> > compared to others not in is true, isn't this some kind of evidence
> > that the ranking system sucks?  ;)
>
> Nah, was just speaking for myself, not boasting or anything. When you look
> at players like Orian, Hugh, Erik, Yannick etc. they're just high in ranking
> for a reason, because they're good, period. Players of such caliber are in
> high ranking because they deserve to be.
> In 2025, maybe we'll do a Legendary Vampire: Reloaded tournament, with only
> 25 players and with a different prerequisite. Something easy, like...winning
> a Continental Championship. That would rock.
> Stone
>
> P.S. for those of you googling in the year 2025, marvel at the beauty of my
> predictions

Heh

You don't need 8 tournaments to generate a rating it's just a sum of
your best 8 events.

I do recall that you needed 5 tournaments to get yourself rated
originally but I don't know if that's still true

Anyway yes the rating system is naff as it's crazy that the prior year
winner or the NAC winner etc wouldn't be in a LV invite :P

squidalot

10/20/2010 10:38:00 PM

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On Oct 19, 4:25 pm, "Stone" <mc_judge_st...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> "Amenophobis" <preache...@gmx.at> a écrit dans le message denews:b4a51bcd-8f25-4546-9637-20887a7b05f9@i21g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > So, from that point of view, it explains why he isn't invited to the
> LV -
> > > but then, the LV is for 25 people only and of course, there are much,
> much
> > > more than 25 very good players around. Some of the current 25 in the LV
> just
> > > suck when compared to other players who aren't in the 25, I know since
> I'm
> > > in...but I digress.
> > > Stone
> > The few nubers of tournaments could be the cause, right.   :)
> > But, but, but - if what you say about players being in that suck
> > compared to others not in is true, isn't this some kind of evidence
> > that the ranking system sucks?  ;)
>
> Nah, was just speaking for myself, not boasting or anything. When you look
> at players like Orian, Hugh, Erik, Yannick etc. they're just high in ranking
> for a reason, because they're good, period. Players of such caliber are in
> high ranking because they deserve to be.
> In 2025, maybe we'll do a Legendary Vampire: Reloaded tournament, with only
> 25 players and with a different prerequisite. Something easy, like...winning
> a Continental Championship. That would rock.
> Stone
>
> P.S. for those of you googling in the year 2025, marvel at the beauty of my
> predictions

Yeah I mean Martin has only won 2 EC's so he msut like 'suck' *oh look
pigs a flying in a snow covered hellish landscape*

The ratings, such that they are, take your best 8 results over 18
months - you don't need 8 results in those 18 months to have a
rating. That'd be silly.
I beleive you need an initial 5 results to start counting but that's
it.

I'm more than happy to forgo my place to Martin as he's earnt it far
more than I have.

Unless we're doing it just based on Welsh Continental Qualifer wins.
Then I rock.

Stone

10/21/2010 5:51:00 AM

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"squidalot" <hugh.angseesing@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
5b0e5f76-e7ea-498d-a2a1-206ef146600a@g13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

>Heh

>You don't need 8 tournaments to generate a rating it's just a sum of
>your best 8 events.

>I do recall that you needed 5 tournaments to get yourself rated
>originally but I don't know if that's still true

ah yes, quite right, my bad. It's actually written on the rating page as
well.
Looks like I had stuck with the original idea from Stephane Lavrut, back in
early 2004, in which rating was the sum of the best 8 tournaments. I don't
know when it changed, but whatever.
Stone

Ben Peal

10/21/2010 7:44:00 AM

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Hugh wrote:
> Anyway yes the rating system is naff as it's crazy that the prior year
> winner or the NAC winner etc wouldn't be in a LV invite :P

I think there's a difference between what the intent of the
Legendary Vampire tournament is, and what people's expectations are of
the word "Legendary". As far as I can tell, the LV was born out of
the idea that the ratings system should actually be used for
something, plus the "what if" thinking of using ratings instead of the
qualifier system for a championship or other major event. That's a
totally fine idea to explore. Stone picked the name of a card to use
as a cute title for the event and off he went.

The problem is that he picked the title "Legendary Vampire". When
people think of "legendary", they think "what your major
accomplishments are over a significant period of time" instead of
"what you've done in the past 18 months". If you want to have a
"Legends of VTES" tournament, the very first thing you do is invite
Rob Treasure. The qualification system for the LV doesn't allow for
that, but then again, that isn't the intent of the event. The name of
the event just happens to be unfortunate.


- Ben Peal

Vincent

10/21/2010 9:01:00 AM

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On 21 oct, 00:38, squidalot <hugh.angsees...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm more than happy to forgo my place to Martin as he's earnt it far
> more than I have.

Based on what? I'm sure he isn't able to tap a card anymore ;)

Anyway, the tournament is supposed to gather the top 25 best *current*
players, not to replay a Cassius Clay vs Rocky Balboa match :p

Amenophobis

10/21/2010 11:08:00 AM

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On 21 Okt., 11:01, Vincent <v.rip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 oct, 00:38, squidalot <hugh.angsees...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm more than happy to forgo my place to Martin as he's earnt it far
> > more than I have.
>
> Based on what? I'm sure he isn't able to tap a card anymore ;)

I noticed the smiley, but still, what do you infer?
Martin is the current EC champion.


> Anyway, the tournament is supposed to gather the top 25 best *current*
> players, not to replay a Cassius Clay vs Rocky Balboa match :p

Again, what do you mean?

Blooded Sand

10/21/2010 2:20:00 PM

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On Oct 21, 1:07 pm, Amenophobis <preache...@gmx.at> wrote:
> On 21 Okt., 11:01, Vincent <v.rip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 21 oct, 00:38, squidalot <hugh.angsees...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'm more than happy to forgo my place to Martin as he's earnt it far
> > > more than I have.
>
> > Based on what? I'm sure he isn't able to tap a card anymore ;)
>
> I noticed the smiley, but still, what do you infer?
> Martin is the current EC champion.
>
> > Anyway, the tournament is supposed to gather the top 25 best *current*
> > players, not to replay a Cassius Clay vs Rocky Balboa match :p
>
> Again, what do you mean?

In fact, think not including ALL current continental Champions is
going against the idea of this tournament