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Tye Cooper, non-ready minion

Marcin

10/16/2010 1:15:00 PM

Tye Cooper has ability to:

He may burn a non-ready minion as a (D) action.

Can I burn with this ability a vampire in any Uncontrolled region ?

Which minion are non-ready ?
18 Answers

Baaliprimogen

10/16/2010 1:24:00 PM

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On Oct 16, 3:14 pm, Marcin <dragar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tye Cooper has ability to:
>
> He may burn a non-ready minion as a (D) action.
>
> Can I burn with this ability a vampire in any Uncontrolled region ?
>
> Which minion are non-ready ?

No.
You may burn a vampire in topor or an Imbued in incapacitated region.
And possibly an ally that just has been recruited.... But I'm not
certain about the last one.

floppyzedolfin

10/16/2010 1:45:00 PM

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On 16 oct, 15:23, Baaliprimogen <vegardki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 3:14 pm, Marcin <dragar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Tye Cooper has ability to:
>
> > He may burn a non-ready minion as a (D) action.
>
> > Can I burn with this ability a vampire in any Uncontrolled region ?
>
> > Which minion are non-ready ?
>
> No.
> You may burn a vampire in topor or an Imbued in incapacitated region.
> And possibly an ally that just has been recruited.... But I'm not
> certain about the last one.

The last one is correct. It would require someone else performing the
recruit action during your turn (or giving Tye the possibility to
perform actions during another player's turn), but it could happen.
Allies are put in the non-ready area when recruited, they move to the
ready region at the end of the turn.

Robert Scythe

10/16/2010 5:39:00 PM

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On Oct 16, 6:44 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > You may burn a vampire in topor or an Imbued in incapacitated region.
> > And possibly an ally that just has been recruited.... But I'm not
> > certain about the last one.
>
> The last one is correct. It would require someone else performing the
> recruit action during your turn (or giving Tye the possibility to
> perform actions during another player's turn), but it could happen.
> Allies are put in the non-ready area when recruited, they move to the
> ready region at the end of the turn.

Heaven's Gate could put them there as well.

brandonsantacruz

10/19/2010 8:17:00 PM

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On Oct 16, 6:44 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 16 oct, 15:23, Baaliprimogen <vegardki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 16, 3:14 pm, Marcin <dragar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Tye Cooper has ability to:
>
> > > He may burn a non-ready minion as a (D) action.
>
> > > Can I burn with this ability a vampire in any Uncontrolled region ?
>
> > > Which minion are non-ready ?
>
> > No.
> > You may burn a vampire in topor or an Imbued in incapacitated region.
> > And possibly an ally that just has been recruited.... But I'm not
> > certain about the last one.
>
> The last one is correct. It would require someone else performing the
> recruit action during your turn (or giving Tye the possibility to
> perform actions during another player's turn), but it could happen.
> Allies are put in the non-ready area when recruited, they move to the
> ready region at the end of the turn.

I wonder if Tye can burn your own, freshly minted ally. It seems
strange for there to be minions in the uncontrolled region, but
targetable by an action to burn a non-ready minion. Is this backed up
by any rulings? Heaven's Gate seems to say you are right by
identifying an ally just brought into the card as controlled, but not
ready. I could see a Khazar's deck benefiting from Tye disposing of
new allies for you.

Brandon

witness1

10/19/2010 8:36:00 PM

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On Oct 19, 4:16 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 16, 6:44 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 16 oct, 15:23, Baaliprimogen <vegardki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 16, 3:14 pm, Marcin <dragar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Tye Cooper has ability to:
>
> > > > He may burn a non-ready minion as a (D) action.
>
> > > > Can I burn with this ability a vampire in any Uncontrolled region ?
>
> > > > Which minion are non-ready ?
>
> > > No.
> > > You may burn a vampire in topor or an Imbued in incapacitated region.
> > > And possibly an ally that just has been recruited.... But I'm not
> > > certain about the last one.
>
> > The last one is correct. It would require someone else performing the
> > recruit action during your turn (or giving Tye the possibility to
> > perform actions during another player's turn), but it could happen.
> > Allies are put in the non-ready area when recruited, they move to the
> > ready region at the end of the turn.
>
> I wonder if Tye can burn your own, freshly minted ally. It seems
> strange for there to be minions in the uncontrolled region, but
> targetable by an action to burn a non-ready minion. Is this backed up
> by any rulings? Heaven's Gate seems to say you are right by
> identifying an ally just brought into the card as controlled, but not
> ready. I could see a Khazar's deck benefiting from Tye disposing of
> new allies for you.

From the rulebook (6.1.5):
"If the action is successful, the ally is placed in your uncontrolled
region, __even though it is controlled__, to indicate that it cannot
act this turn"

So yeah, Tye can target them.

-witness1

brandonsantacruz

10/19/2010 10:14:00 PM

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On Oct 19, 1:35 pm, witness1 <jwnewqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 4:16 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 16, 6:44 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 16 oct, 15:23, Baaliprimogen <vegardki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 16, 3:14 pm, Marcin <dragar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Tye Cooper has ability to:
>
> > > > > He may burn a non-ready minion as a (D) action.
>
> > > > > Can I burn with this ability a vampire in any Uncontrolled region ?
>
> > > > > Which minion are non-ready ?
>
> > > > No.
> > > > You may burn a vampire in topor or an Imbued in incapacitated region.
> > > > And possibly an ally that just has been recruited.... But I'm not
> > > > certain about the last one.
>
> > > The last one is correct. It would require someone else performing the
> > > recruit action during your turn (or giving Tye the possibility to
> > > perform actions during another player's turn), but it could happen.
> > > Allies are put in the non-ready area when recruited, they move to the
> > > ready region at the end of the turn.
>
> > I wonder if Tye can burn your own, freshly minted ally. It seems
> > strange for there to be minions in the uncontrolled region, but
> > targetable by an action to burn a non-ready minion. Is this backed up
> > by any rulings? Heaven's Gate seems to say you are right by
> > identifying an ally just brought into the card as controlled, but not
> > ready. I could see a Khazar's deck benefiting from Tye disposing of
> > new allies for you.
>
> From the rulebook (6.1.5):
> "If the action is successful, the ally is placed in your uncontrolled
> region, __even though it is controlled__, to indicate that it cannot
> act this turn"
>
> So yeah, Tye can target them.
>
> -witness1

Cannot act = not ready?

Brandon

floppyzedolfin

10/19/2010 10:22:00 PM

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On 20 oct, 00:14, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 1:35 pm, witness1 <jwnewqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 19, 4:16 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 16, 6:44 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 16 oct, 15:23, Baaliprimogen <vegardki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 16, 3:14 pm, Marcin <dragar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Tye Cooper has ability to:
>
> > > > > > He may burn a non-ready minion as a (D) action.
>
> > > > > > Can I burn with this ability a vampire in any Uncontrolled region ?
>
> > > > > > Which minion are non-ready ?
>
> > > > > No.
> > > > > You may burn a vampire in topor or an Imbued in incapacitated region.
> > > > > And possibly an ally that just has been recruited.... But I'm not
> > > > > certain about the last one.
>
> > > > The last one is correct. It would require someone else performing the
> > > > recruit action during your turn (or giving Tye the possibility to
> > > > perform actions during another player's turn), but it could happen.
> > > > Allies are put in the non-ready area when recruited, they move to the
> > > > ready region at the end of the turn.
>
> > > I wonder if Tye can burn your own, freshly minted ally. It seems
> > > strange for there to be minions in the uncontrolled region, but
> > > targetable by an action to burn a non-ready minion. Is this backed up
> > > by any rulings? Heaven's Gate seems to say you are right by
> > > identifying an ally just brought into the card as controlled, but not
> > > ready. I could see a Khazar's deck benefiting from Tye disposing of
> > > new allies for you.
>
> > From the rulebook (6.1.5):
> > "If the action is successful, the ally is placed in your uncontrolled
> > region, __even though it is controlled__, to indicate that it cannot
> > act this turn"
>
> > So yeah, Tye can target them.
>
> > -witness1
>
> Cannot act = not ready?
>
> Brandon

"Only ready untapped minions can take actions, and taking an action
taps the acting minion." (Rulebook 6.)
Not ready implies cannot act (with the noticeable exception of leaving
torpor for vampires).

Robert Scythe

10/20/2010 3:23:00 AM

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On Oct 19, 3:22 pm, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Cannot act = not ready?
>
> > Brandon
>
> "Only ready untapped minions can take actions, and taking an action
> taps the acting minion." (Rulebook 6.)
> Not ready implies cannot act (with the noticeable exception of leaving
> torpor for vampires).

Also cannot block, very important. Most likely cannot react but I
didn't check that.

Blooded Sand

10/20/2010 9:25:00 AM

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On Oct 20, 5:23 am, Robert Scythe <tbel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 3:22 pm, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Cannot act = not ready?
>
> > > Brandon
>
> > "Only ready untapped minions can take actions, and taking an action
> > taps the acting minion." (Rulebook 6.)
> > Not ready implies cannot act (with the noticeable exception of leaving
> > torpor for vampires).
>
> Also cannot block, very important. Most likely cannot react but I
> didn't check that.

Sorry, where does the not block come from?
You are usually recruiting in your own turn, so unless you recruited
via Madness/Enkil, or wanted to block an Enkil/Madness action, this
would not matter. Still do not see where the acnnot block comes from
though.

suoli

10/20/2010 10:45:00 AM

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On 20 loka, 12:25, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 20, 5:23 am, Robert Scythe <tbel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Also cannot block, very important. Most likely cannot react but I
> > didn't check that.
>
> Sorry, where does the not block come from?
> You are usually recruiting in your own turn, so unless you recruited
> via Madness/Enkil, or wanted to block an Enkil/Madness action, this
> would not matter. Still do not see where the acnnot block comes from
> though.

Non-ready minions are probably not explicitly disallowed from blocking
in the rulebook but the right to block (and play reaction cards) is
only explicitly given to *ready* minions. I would say that minions
that are not in the ready region can't block for the same reason that
pool counters can't block: there's no rule that allows them to.