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Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) and Anarch Convert

svensven

9/28/2010 1:03:00 PM

Good morning,

Being newly returned to play, I notice many MANY decklists contain
copies of these two cards. I can kinda see their value but not
entirely so can anyone enlighten me on the reason why these cards have
a sort of universal value, even in small numbers?
24 Answers

Jozxyqk

9/28/2010 1:08:00 PM

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svensven <ulf316@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Good morning,

> Being newly returned to play, I notice many MANY decklists contain
> copies of these two cards [Carlton Van Wyk and Anarch Convert].
> I can kinda see their value but not
> entirely so can anyone enlighten me on the reason why these cards have
> a sort of universal value, even in small numbers?

Carlton is always useful. Just a few reasons:
* Is a blocker with +1 intercept and a dodge.
* Can contest other peoples' Carlton.
* Can protect you from diablerie just by sitting there.
* Can blow someone up on the same turn he is played, if diablerie has
happened since your last turn.

Anarch Convert:
* Allows you to thin out your crypt so you can get the vampires you actually
want, without taking up library space.
* Is Anarch Revolt defense.
* Obviously, in a deck using Anarchs, allows you to turn vampires Anarch
again without taking up library space.

BeAst

9/28/2010 1:18:00 PM

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On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, svensven <ulf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> Being newly returned to play, I notice many MANY decklists contain
> copies of these two cards. I can kinda see their value but not
> entirely so can anyone enlighten me on the reason why these cards have
> a sort of universal value, even in small numbers?

I'll start with Carlton: for 2 pool, you get a blocker that can't be
seduced, has 1 intercept naturally, deals with agg damage as normal,
and has a chance to survive any combat due to his inherent dodge. On
top of that he has a special that seriously limits the likelihood of
getting away with diablerie. Decks include him as a cheap chump
blocker.
On the flip side, some decks (that rely on the things he limits -
diablerie, seduction etc) include him just to contest him.
For his pool cost, he's well worth the investment.

The anarch convert is similarly useful as: a) a cheap and
*unblockable* method of going anarch b) a crypt thinner if you don't
care about anarch status or titles, but need to ensure you get a
specific vamp, or to ensure you don't draw too many of an individual
vamp c) he's group ANY, so fits in any crypt d) he's 1 cap with no
real downsides other than a lack of disciplines. He gets away with a
lot simply because he's annoying, but not annoying enough to devote
resources to killing.

Peter D Bakija

9/28/2010 1:59:00 PM

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On Sep 28, 9:02 am, svensven <ulf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Being newly returned to play, I notice many MANY decklists contain
> copies of these two cards. I can kinda see their value but not
> entirely so can anyone enlighten me on the reason why these cards have
> a sort of universal value, even in small numbers?

Carlton is just a stupidly good ally. 2 pool for a guy with +1
permanent intercept and the ability to dodge. He hits the table and
can basically shut down many decktypes (or at least slow them down
significantly). And he can go in any deck and has no requirements
other than costing 2 pool. I don't know about everyone, but these
days, every deck I have needs to have an answer to "what happens if my
prey plays Carlton?"

Anarch Convert is a mechanism for making vampires into Anarchs. There
were two expansions that focused on the Anarch mechanic--if you have a
vampire who is an Anarch, they can play all sorts of wacky cards that
can only be played by Anarchs. The problem is that very few (i.e. only
2, IIRC) vampires start as Anarchs. So you have to become an Anarch.
There were a bunch of cards in the original set that let you go
Anarch, and a cardless default action to go Anarch, but still, these
all kind of sucked if you wanted to be an Anarch. So the second Anarch
set gave us Anarch Convert--when you bring Anarch Convert into play
(who is a 1 cap disciplineless Caitiff), you can remove him from the
game to make another vampire an Anarch and either gain a pool or draw
a new vampire. Which makes playing Anarch decks infinitely better.
Some decks include Anarch Convert simply to thin out their crypt for
more consistent draws, even though they don't care about being Anarch,
so they show up there, too.

-Peter

svensven

9/28/2010 4:11:00 PM

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On Sep 28, 9:58 am, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:

> Some decks include Anarch Convert simply to thin out their crypt for
> more consistent draws, even though they don't care about being Anarch,
> so they show up there, too.
>
> -Peter

So basically Anarch Convert does for 1 pool and a transfer what the
default 1 pool and 4 transfers gets you... namely a new vampire from
the crypt into the uncontrolled region. The only difference is that, I
assume, you can't do this until you have a non-anarch to convert, yes?

Matt

Peter D Bakija

9/28/2010 4:15:00 PM

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On Sep 28, 12:11 pm, svensven <ulf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So basically Anarch Convert does for 1 pool and a transfer what the
> default 1 pool and 4 transfers gets you... namely a new vampire from
> the crypt into the uncontrolled region.

More or less. The savings of 3 transfers, however, is not
insignificant. Or it can just get you a pool. Or it can be a 1
capacity vampire. I'm yet to be convinced that this is that good if an
idea if you aren't invested in having Anarchs in play, but some folks
like it.

But generally, if there are Anarch Converts in a crypt, it is 'cause
the deck is invested in having Anarchs in play.

-Peter

Wedge

9/28/2010 4:21:00 PM

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> The only difference is that, I
> assume, you can't do this until you have a non-anarch to convert, yes?

No, you can use anarch converts' special on an anarch vampire.

Izaak

9/28/2010 4:31:00 PM

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"Wedge" <mattzpl@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:a0978442-5cc0-45a0-a808-ee574eb0cffc@i4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> The only difference is that, I
>> assume, you can't do this until you have a non-anarch to convert, yes?
>
> No, you can use anarch converts' special on an anarch vampire.

Or on itself, actually.


brandonsantacruz

9/28/2010 5:45:00 PM

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On Sep 28, 6:02 am, svensven <ulf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> Being newly returned to play, I notice many MANY decklists contain
> copies of these two cards. I can kinda see their value but not
> entirely so can anyone enlighten me on the reason why these cards have
> a sort of universal value, even in small numbers?

Carlton is simply the most annoying ally around to low-stealth non-
combat decks. Without presses or additional strikes, he usually
survives combat. 1 intercept is all it takes to block a lot of votes,
govern at DOM, hunting, etc. The two life is a little difficult to
deal with(takes two cryptic missions, weather control for 2 rounds,
inf bats+crows doesn't kill him, etc). Allies in general are immune to
a lot of effects that vampires are not. Carlton is really one of the
best 'almost no effort' defenses around. If you have any extras,
please mail them to me!

Brandon

Haze

9/28/2010 7:52:00 PM

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On Sep 28, 11:14 am, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 12:11 pm, svensven <ulf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > So basically Anarch Convert does for 1 pool and a transfer what the
> > default 1 pool and 4 transfers gets you... namely a new vampire from
> > the crypt into the uncontrolled region.
>
> More or less. The savings of 3 transfers, however, is not
> insignificant. Or it can just get you a pool. Or it can be a 1
> capacity vampire. I'm yet to be convinced that this is that good if an
> idea if you aren't invested in having Anarchs in play, but some folks
> like it.
>
> But generally, if there are Anarch Converts in a crypt, it is 'cause
> the deck is invested in having Anarchs in play.
>
> -Peter

I feel like the "crypt cycling" of Anarch Converts is mostly an
illusion. If you replaced the converts with vampires you actually
want, you wouldn't be needing to spend 1 pool and an influence phase
to redraw them.
Hopefully Wider View will replace the convert for that purpose.

Kushiel

9/28/2010 8:12:00 PM

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On Sep 28, 3:51 pm, Haze <headlessr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I feel like the "crypt cycling" of Anarch Converts is mostly an
> illusion. If you replaced the converts with vampires you actually
> want, you wouldn't be needing to spend 1 pool and an influence phase
> to redraw them.

Not all decks have enough available crypt options to fill out the
crypt with many different vampires that the deck wants. Bloodlines
crypts, for example, often contain so many duplicate vampires that
Anarch Converts are worth including instead.

There's also stuff like how crypts and libraries have very different
card draw ratios, Wider View not working well in decks running a lot
of OOT masters, and so on. Anarch Convert isn't always the best idea
to include, but there are certainly decks for whom the benefits they
provide aren't illusory.

> Hopefully Wider View will replace the convert for that purpose.

"Hopefully"? Are you bothered by the Convert or something? Call me
curious, as that's not a grumble I've encountered before.

John Eno