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Sutekh.23

9/15/2010 8:20:00 PM

With the untimely demise of v:tes as a printed game, do the NDA's for
playtesters die as well?? Or is the contract still binding?
Anyone know the answer?

Cheers
47 Answers

The Lasombra

9/15/2010 8:34:00 PM

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On Sep 15, 4:20 pm, "Sutekh.23" wrote:
> With the untimely demise of v:tes as a printed game, do the NDA's for
> playtesters die as well?

No.
Your contract is still in effect for the entire duration to which you
agreed when you signed it.

> Or is the contract still binding?

It is binding.

> Anyone know the answer?

Yes.

Sutekh.23

9/15/2010 11:18:00 PM

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On Sep 16, 6:33 am, The Lasombra <thelasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:20 pm, "Sutekh.23" wrote:
>
> > With the untimely demise of v:tes as a printed game, do the NDA's for
> > playtesters die as well?
>
> No.
> Your contract is still in effect for the entire duration to which you
> agreed when you signed it.
>
> > Or is the contract still binding?
>
> It is binding.
>
> > Anyone know the answer?
>
> Yes.

Thanks!

Brum

9/16/2010 1:01:00 AM

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On Sep 15, 9:33 pm, The Lasombra <thelasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:20 pm, "Sutekh.23" wrote:
>
> > With the untimely demise of v:tes as a printed game, do the NDA's for
> > playtesters die as well?
>
> No.
> Your contract is still in effect for the entire duration to which you
> agreed when you signed it.
>
> > Or is the contract still binding?
>
> It is binding.
>
> > Anyone know the answer?
>
> Yes.

I would love to know how Montano was going to be... Maybe my first
Lasombra deck ever...
If he had a decent stealth discipline, I mean. ;)

Tiago

N

9/16/2010 4:14:00 AM

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On Sep 15, 9:01 pm, Brum <tiago.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 9:33 pm, The Lasombra <thelasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 4:20 pm, "Sutekh.23" wrote:
>
> > > With the untimely demise of v:tes as a printed game, do the NDA's for
> > > playtesters die as well?
>
> > No.
> > Your contract is still in effect for the entire duration to which you
> > agreed when you signed it.
>
> > > Or is the contract still binding?
>
> > It is binding.
>
> > > Anyone know the answer?
>
> > Yes.
>
> I would love to know how Montano was going to be... Maybe my first
> Lasombra deck ever...
> If he had a decent stealth discipline, I mean. ;)
>
> Tiago

What a joke. A contract to not reveal information about a set which
will never reach the light of the day. Are we talking about legal
contracts here? As in CCP could sue you for spilling the beans about
what they are not going to do? Give me a break.

I say Violation of Trust that sucker. I don't block.

N

Sutekh.23

9/16/2010 4:47:00 AM

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On Sep 16, 2:14 pm, N <candle-e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 9:01 pm, Brum <tiago.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 9:33 pm, The Lasombra <thelasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 15, 4:20 pm, "Sutekh.23" wrote:
>
> > > > With the untimely demise of v:tes as a printed game, do the NDA's for
> > > > playtesters die as well?
>
> > > No.
> > > Your contract is still in effect for the entire duration to which you
> > > agreed when you signed it.
>
> > > > Or is the contract still binding?
>
> > > It is binding.
>
> > > > Anyone know the answer?
>
> > > Yes.
>
> > I would love to know how Montano was going to be... Maybe my first
> > Lasombra deck ever...
> > If he had a decent stealth discipline, I mean. ;)
>
> > Tiago
>
> What a joke. A contract to not reveal information about a set which
> will never reach the light of the day. Are we talking about legal
> contracts here? As in CCP could sue you for spilling the beans about
> what they are not going to do? Give me a break.
>
> I say Violation of Trust that sucker. I don't block.
>
> N- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Actually, I was refering to HttB so what Lamsobra said makes sense to
me. If it was for a "now not to be printed" set, I wouldn't have
really bothered asking.

Hodgestar

9/16/2010 8:27:00 AM

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On Sep 16, 6:47 am, "Sutekh.23" <sutekh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, I was refering to HttB so what Lamsobra said makes sense to
> me. If it was for a "now not to be printed" set, I wouldn't have
> really bothered asking.

For my own curiosity, what sorts of things would a playtester know
about a released set that those of us who've bought the cards don't?

Schiavo
Simon

James Coupe

9/16/2010 9:23:00 AM

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Hodgestar <hodgestar@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sep 16, 6:47 am, "Sutekh.23" <sutekh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually, I was refering to HttB so what Lamsobra said makes sense to
>> me. If it was for a "now not to be printed" set, I wouldn't have
>> really bothered asking.
>
>For my own curiosity, what sorts of things would a playtester know
>about a released set that those of us who've bought the cards don't?

Initial versions of cards, before they got playtested, broken,
rewritten.

Cards that got dropped from a release.

Cards they didn't see (but which may have been seen by another group).

Different playtesters may have subtly different versions of cards to
experiment with.

New rules might be different. For example, according to some
playtesters, Scarce worked very differently in its original version.
(Apparently, Scarce vampires of the same clan contested each other.)

Feedback that they gave which was/wasn't acted on. This can lead to a
little 'I saw that card was broken and they didn't fix it' whining, in
extremis.


Basically, in theory, the entire expansion might have been radically
different when LSJ first designed it, and then heavily rewritten during
playtest. Now, that scale of change is unlikely, but pretty much
anything in the set could change during the design and testing process.

--
James Coupe
PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR.
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING.
13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

Amenophobis

9/16/2010 9:24:00 AM

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On 16 Sep., 10:26, Hodgestar <hodges...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 6:47 am, "Sutekh.23" <sutekh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, I was refering to HttB so what Lamsobra said makes sense to
> > me. If it was for a "now not to be printed" set, I wouldn't have
> > really bothered asking.
>
> For my own curiosity, what sorts of things would a playtester know
> about a released set that those of us who've bought the cards don't?

In general nothing special. Sometimes there are cards or versions of
cards during initial playtesting rounds that don't make it into the
set, sometimes they appear in a later set or as promos.

Peter D Bakija

9/16/2010 12:41:00 PM

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On Sep 16, 12:14 am, N <candle-e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> What a joke. A contract to not reveal information about a set which
> will never reach the light of the day. Are we talking about legal
> contracts here? As in CCP could sue you for spilling the beans about
> what they are not going to do? Give me a break.

Uh, what?

Who said anything about a set that will never reach the light of day?

Playtesters are covered by legally binding NDAs for all sets they work
on. They generally last 18 months from the point of set release. As a
result, I can say, for example, that I playtested the Bloodlines set.
And if I still had the files, I could explain how certain cards
started out compared to how they ended up in print.

I have no reason at all to believe that there is an unreleased set
that was in playtest and is being kept under wraps by virtue of an
NDA. Granted, if I signed an NDA about such a set, I'd be legally
bound to not release such information. But I didn't, and I don't know
of any information like that.

-Peter

Sutekh.23

9/16/2010 12:54:00 PM

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On Sep 16, 6:26 pm, Hodgestar <hodges...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 6:47 am, "Sutekh.23" <sutekh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, I was refering to HttB so what Lamsobra said makes sense to
> > me. If it was for a "now not to be printed" set, I wouldn't have
> > really bothered asking.
>
> For my own curiosity, what sorts of things would a playtester know
> about a released set that those of us who've bought the cards don't?
>
> Schiavo
> Simon

Heh, ask me again in a year :)