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The uncertain future for V:TES

LunaSlave

9/12/2010 1:39:00 PM

Who will continue to play? Who will end up getting rid of their cards?
I'm curious what other people are feeling about their personal future
with the game - and I'm curious what effect you think this will end up
having on things like the secondary market...

I know myself, I'm going to continue to play and collect - I'm a lifer.
21 Answers

Peter D Bakija

9/12/2010 1:48:00 PM

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On Sep 12, 9:39 am, LunaSlave <ninespir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who will continue to play? Who will end up getting rid of their cards?
> I'm curious what other people are feeling about their personal future
> with the game - and I'm curious what effect you think this will end up
> having on things like the secondary market...

I can't for the life of me imagine that this will affect the play
habits of anyone who regularly reads this newsgroup (i.e. the people
you are asking). Yeah, no new cards for a while. Or ever. But we are
all very invested in the game and will continue to play, collect, run
tournaments, etc.

I suspect that the game being no longer in production will take a toll
on the already steep task of recruiting new players to the game, as
starter decks will become harder and harder to find, stores will start
getting rid of whatever stock that they had. And in the long term,
some of the more casual players, and people who played just as an
excuse to use the new cards that they liked collecting will certainly
dwindle. But it seems likely that the game will continue on for the
foreseeable future. Someone will still be in charge (LSJ?) of rules
and rulings. The VEKN will continue to operate. There will still be
tournaments and qualifiers and championships as long as people want to
keep going to them.

There. That was my measured, mature response.

-Peter

P.S. For fuck's sake.

The Lasombra

9/12/2010 1:51:00 PM

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On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT), LunaSlave wrote:

>Who will continue to play?

Creative social players.

> Who will end up getting rid of their cards?

Douchebags.

Malone

9/12/2010 1:53:00 PM

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On Sep 12, 9:39 am, LunaSlave <ninespir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who will continue to play? Who will end up getting rid of their cards?
> I'm curious what other people are feeling about their personal future
> with the game - and I'm curious what effect you think this will end up
> having on things like the secondary market...
>
> I know myself, I'm going to continue to play and collect - I'm a lifer.

I will probably never stop playing, or at least wanting to play.
Getting new sets is fun, but playing the game is a lot more fun than
that.

Really, there's no reason CCP's decision to stop production should
have much effect on the game at all for a year or two or three. Sure,
it would be better for attracting new players to have new product
appearing, but until 3rd Edition disappears from warehouses, there's
a base set out there for newbs to buy.

Peteo

9/12/2010 2:52:00 PM

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On Sep 12, 9:51 am, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT), LunaSlave wrote:
> >Who will continue to play?
>
> Creative social players.
>
> > Who will end up getting rid of their cards?
>
> Douchebags.

Can I just say that in the ten years that I have been reading Jeff's
posts on this news group, I think that this might be the best one I've
ever read. :D

Peteo

Martin Tibor Major

9/12/2010 3:15:00 PM

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On szept. 12, 15:39, LunaSlave <ninespir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who will continue to play? Who will end up getting rid of their cards?
> I'm curious what other people are feeling about their personal future
> with the game - and I'm curious what effect you think this will end up
> having on things like the secondary market...
>
> I know myself, I'm going to continue to play and collect - I'm a lifer.

I will continue to play, no question. I have ideas and untested decks
for a very long time and there are decks I alway will love to play
again and again. So if you are asking me I think I will continue
playing the game for several years. And by the way: I see no reason
why we players shouldn't continue organizing continental tournaments!
This whole game was kept alive by us players, so basically all we lost
is that there will no new cards. With a group range from 1-6 and all
the cards we have, I think this is really not that bad.

by: mephistopheles

simcof

9/12/2010 4:14:00 PM

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On Sep 12, 11:51 pm, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT), LunaSlave wrote:
> >Who will continue to play?
>
> Creative social players.
>
> > Who will end up getting rid of their cards?
>
> Douchebags.

lol

demonturtle

9/12/2010 4:48:00 PM

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I am a relative latecomer to the game. I think I jumped in around
Gehenna; I had resisted for some time because it looked complicated
and I was a dedicated RPGer. But once my D&D group broke up Peter
Bakija convinced me to try it, and I was instantly hooked. Complexity
was GOOD; what had turned me off about Magic was the ability for a
player to win fast with a nigh-unbeatable combo with no chance of the
other player turning it around. I also preferred multiplayer games to
one-on-one; I had started playing Shadowfist not too long before
trying VTES for that reason (which was how I met Peter, who is also a
kick-ass 'Fist player).

I have loved the game since I started playing. The depth of strategy,
the need to be able to read multiple other strategies, metagame, and
bounce back from certain doom were very appealing. Despite a basic
mechanic this game has incredible diversity; yeah, Dominate is good,
but there are lots of way to win, and that's always an important
factor in any game that I play. There's no other game quite like it,
in terms of both relative camaraderie and variety of options for
strategy.

So yeah, I'm sticking with it.

Cheers,

John

On Sep 12, 11:15 am, Martin Tibor Major <major.martin.ti...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On szept. 12, 15:39, LunaSlave <ninespir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Who will continue to play? Who will end up getting rid of their cards?
> > I'm curious what other people are feeling about their personal future
> > with the game - and I'm curious what effect you think this will end up
> > having on things like the secondary market...
>
> > I know myself, I'm going to continue to play and collect - I'm a lifer.
>
> I will continue to play, no question. I have ideas and untested decks
> for a very long time and there are decks I alway will love to play
> again and again. So if you are asking me I think I will continue
> playing the game for several years. And by the way: I see no reason
> why we players shouldn't continue organizing continental tournaments!
> This whole game was kept alive by us players, so basically all we lost
> is that there will no new cards. With a group range from 1-6 and all
> the cards we have, I think this is really not that bad.
>
> by: mephistopheles

RoddPrime

9/12/2010 5:51:00 PM

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On Sep 12, 12:47 pm, demonturtle <crankytur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am a relative latecomer to the game.  I think I jumped in around
> Gehenna; I had resisted for some time because it looked complicated
> and I was a dedicated RPGer.  But once my D&D group broke up Peter
> Bakija convinced me to try it, and I was instantly hooked.  Complexity
> was GOOD; what had turned me off about Magic was the ability for a
> player to win fast with a nigh-unbeatable combo with no chance of the
> other player turning it around.  I also preferred multiplayer games to
> one-on-one; I had started playing Shadowfist not too long before
> trying VTES for that reason (which was how I met Peter, who is also a
> kick-ass 'Fist player).
>
> I have loved the game since I started playing.  The depth of strategy,
> the need to be able to read multiple other strategies, metagame, and
> bounce back from certain doom were very appealing.  Despite a basic
> mechanic this game has incredible diversity; yeah, Dominate is good,
> but there are lots of way to win, and that's always an important
> factor in any game that I play.  There's no other game quite like it,
> in terms of both relative camaraderie and variety of options for
> strategy.
>
> So yeah, I'm sticking with it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> On Sep 12, 11:15 am, Martin Tibor Major <major.martin.ti...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On szept. 12, 15:39, LunaSlave <ninespir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Who will continue to play? Who will end up getting rid of their cards?
> > > I'm curious what other people are feeling about their personal future
> > > with the game - and I'm curious what effect you think this will end up
> > > having on things like the secondary market...
>
> > > I know myself, I'm going to continue to play and collect - I'm a lifer.
>
> > I will continue to play, no question. I have ideas and untested decks
> > for a very long time and there are decks I alway will love to play
> > again and again. So if you are asking me I think I will continue
> > playing the game for several years. And by the way: I see no reason
> > why we players shouldn't continue organizing continental tournaments!
> > This whole game was kept alive by us players, so basically all we lost
> > is that there will no new cards. With a group range from 1-6 and all
> > the cards we have, I think this is really not that bad.
>
> > by: mephistopheles

I certainly could care less if someone quits a game or not. To me a
game is a game no matter what. It may be many things, but still a
game. I don't care if it is basketball, video games, or VTES. I don't
like to draw lines. If someone revolves their life around playing a
game as a center piece I hope it is a profession. A gamer will always
enjoy some kind of game. Perhaps it is part of human nature.

If someone quits solely based on the game having no more print sets
then that is kind of dumb. Go play Magic. However, if you see the news
as a signal of many things to come and don't like what you see for the
future of VTES then ride it out until you feel it's no longer what you
want to play. If someone crucifies you for not putting a game as
priority in your life then screw them. Many people have dropped over
the years for far better reasons than no future print sets (silly
reason). Who am I to judge if someone simply isn't feeling it or is
taking on a new path or priority in life? If you have revised your
old decks and you got bored of new decks at some point then that is up
to that person. This extreme attitude of either Blind Hate for those
don't decide to keep playing or those with Blind Decisions based
strictly on no future print sets is plain silly.



Wilsoros

9/12/2010 6:50:00 PM

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I think the major concern isn't the current player base, but the new
player base. It is already difficult to get players into Vtes.
Seriously, it takes a huge time commitment to become competitive and
then without new cards, new players feel like they can't be new or
original, that they can't ever get a leg up on the older players.
These sentiments are however incorrect, and if they spend any time
with the game, they learn it is so.

Our barrier to entrance is higher and we do lose older players for
many reasons, not replacing them takes a toll.

RoddPrime

9/12/2010 7:00:00 PM

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On Sep 12, 2:50 pm, Wilsoros <davewilso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the major concern isn't the current player base, but the new
> player base.  It is already difficult to get players into Vtes.
> Seriously, it takes a huge time commitment to become competitive and
> then without new cards, new players feel like they can't be new or
> original, that they can't ever get a leg up on the older players.
> These sentiments are however incorrect, and if they spend any time
> with the game, they learn it is so.
>
> Our barrier to entrance is higher and we do lose older players for
> many reasons, not replacing them takes a toll.

Absolutely true on all angles. It's a rough game for many playgroups
as you really need 4-5 players. Our Ohio playgroup has been very
fortunate on that regard with many highly competitive players, but it
certainly has been hard to attract new people at times and we have had
our dips as well as our success stories. 3 Tables on any given play
day is awesome. Recently it has been less, but that enough is room for
concern as I think it will be even harder as many have said to attract
new players and the one thing that the players have always wanted more
of is players. For some fledgling playgroups it may be the nails in
the coffin. I don't think not having new cards is the problem to be
competitive, but the one drawback VTES has is when someone becomes
interested in older cards or ones that desperately need reprinted it
is extremely hard to come by. At this point many older players have
handed or traded out their spare cards of such nature as well (i.e.
Matthias, Parity Shift, Carlton Van Wyk, etc.). Obviously such
reprints or new prints will not be a possibility any longer.