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OrgPlay

9/10/2010 7:17:00 PM

V:TES to Cease Production
After 10 years back at White Wolf

Vampire: The Eternal Struggle® Trading Card Game to Cease Production

Atlanta, GA September 10, 2010--Vampire: The Eternal Struggle™, the
trading card game published since 2000 by White Wolf Publishing Inc.,
has survived the lifetimes of many Methuselahs, been a terrifying
vehicle for their manipulative ways and a true forum for the creation
of lifelong friends and bitter enemies since its launch in 1994.

White Wolf has been increasingly unable to continue serving the V:TES
community in the way that the game requires. After an exhaustive
search for possible alternatives to extend V:TES, one of the oldest
collectible card games will be returning to torpor once more. White
Wolf sought out many possible licensors to take over the franchise but
an accord could not be met. V:TES will finish the year strongly with
the North American Championship at The Grand Masquerade in New Orleans
and the European Championship in Paris and continue to support
tournaments for another year, even in the absence of new expansions or
reprints of old sets. The strength of V:TES has always been in its
devout following, and White Wolf trusts that while the game may
retreat from the light for the forseeable future, it will never suffer
a final death.

Direct Inquiries to:
Oscar Garza, Organized Play Director
White Wolf Publishing
orgplay@white-wolf.com



On a personal note: I've played V:TES for most of my life and have
worked with it for 100% of my personal career. My experience is filled
with unforgettable memories, unforgettable friends, and few but
unforgettable regrets. It is with a heavy heart that we came to the
decisions we did regarding V:TES. On the up side, it has been my
sincere pleasure to have met and worked with as many of you as I have
and I invite everyone that can make it to the Continental
Championships to do so I'd like to buy you a drink.
92 Answers

echiang777@yahoo.com

9/10/2010 7:24:00 PM

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On Sep 10, 2:17 pm, OrgPlay <orgp...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> V:TES to Cease Production
> After 10 years back at White Wolf
>
> White Wolf has been increasingly unable to continue serving the V:TES
> community in the way that the game requires. After an exhaustive
> search for possible alternatives to extend V:TES, one of the oldest
> collectible card games will be returning to torpor once more. White
> Wolf sought out many possible licensors to take over the franchise but
> an accord could not be met. V:TES will finish the year strongly with
> the North American Championship at The Grand Masquerade in New Orleans
> and the European Championship in Paris and continue to support
> tournaments for another year, even in the absence of new expansions or
> reprints of old sets. The strength of V:TES has always been in its
> devout following, and White Wolf trusts that while the game may
> retreat from the light for the forseeable future, it will never suffer
> a final death.
>
> Direct Inquiries to:
> Oscar Garza, Organized Play Director
> White Wolf Publishing
> orgp...@white-wolf.com



I am saddened to hear this. Is there anything that the playerbase can
do to encourage some third party to pick up the license? Letter/
Internet campaign? Lobbying? Anything?

Or maybe once more sets go out of print and go for ridiculous amounts
on eBay, some company will realize that there's still plenty of demand
for product (whether new or reprinted)?

OrgPlay

9/10/2010 7:28:00 PM

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On Sep 10, 3:23 pm, "echiang...@yahoo.com" <echiang...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2:17 pm, OrgPlay <orgp...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > V:TES to Cease Production
> > After 10 years back at White Wolf
>
> > White Wolf has been increasingly unable to continue serving the V:TES
> > community in the way that the game requires. After an exhaustive
> > search for possible alternatives to extend V:TES, one of the oldest
> > collectible card games will be returning to torpor once more. White
> > Wolf sought out many possible licensors to take over the franchise but
> > an accord could not be met. V:TES will finish the year strongly with
> > the North American Championship at The Grand Masquerade in New Orleans
> > and the European Championship in Paris and continue to support
> > tournaments for another year, even in the absence of new expansions or
> > reprints of old sets. The strength of V:TES has always been in its
> > devout following, and White Wolf trusts that while the game may
> > retreat from the light for the forseeable future, it will never suffer
> > a final death.
>
> > Direct Inquiries to:
> > Oscar Garza, Organized Play Director
> > White Wolf Publishing
> > orgp...@white-wolf.com
>
> I am saddened to hear this. Is there anything that the playerbase can
> do to encourage some third party to pick up the license? Letter/
> Internet campaign? Lobbying? Anything?
>
> Or maybe once more sets go out of print and go for ridiculous amounts
> on eBay, some company will realize that there's still plenty of demand
> for product (whether new or reprinted)?

I'd sign a petition, I tell you what. The licensing for this game is
complex, however.

Ben Swainbank

9/10/2010 7:40:00 PM

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On Sep 10, 3:17 pm, OrgPlay <orgp...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> V:TES to Cease Production
> After 10 years back at White Wolf
>
> Vampire: The Eternal Struggle® Trading Card Game to Cease Production
>

That is sad news.

My thanks go out to Oscar, and White Wolf, and to LSJ for their years
of support of the great game.

And thank you for telling us the news directly and removing ambiguity
about the status of VTES.

-Ben Swainbank

echiang777@yahoo.com

9/10/2010 7:41:00 PM

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On Sep 10, 2:27 pm, OrgPlay <orgp...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> On Sep 10, 3:23 pm, "echiang...@yahoo.com" <echiang...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 10, 2:17 pm, OrgPlay <orgp...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
> > > V:TES to Cease Production
> > > After 10 years back at White Wolf
>
> > > White Wolf has been increasingly unable to continue serving the V:TES
> > > community in the way that the game requires. After an exhaustive
> > > search for possible alternatives to extend V:TES, one of the oldest
> > > collectible card games will be returning to torpor once more. White
> > > Wolf sought out many possible licensors to take over the franchise but
> > > an accord could not be met. V:TES will finish the year strongly with
> > > the North American Championship at The Grand Masquerade in New Orleans
> > > and the European Championship in Paris and continue to support
> > > tournaments for another year, even in the absence of new expansions or
> > > reprints of old sets. The strength of V:TES has always been in its
> > > devout following, and White Wolf trusts that while the game may
> > > retreat from the light for the forseeable future, it will never suffer
> > > a final death.
>
> > > Direct Inquiries to:
> > > Oscar Garza, Organized Play Director
> > > White Wolf Publishing
> > > orgp...@white-wolf.com
>
> > I am saddened to hear this. Is there anything that the playerbase can
> > do to encourage some third party to pick up the license? Letter/
> > Internet campaign? Lobbying? Anything?
>
> > Or maybe once more sets go out of print and go for ridiculous amounts
> > on eBay, some company will realize that there's still plenty of demand
> > for product (whether new or reprinted)?
>
> I'd sign a petition, I tell you what. The licensing for this game is
> complex, however.


I realize there may be NDA and corporate issues that limit how much
info you can share.

But what information can you provide (that may help fellow players in
figuring out the best strategy on what to do next)?

- How complicated is the licensing? (I understand that WotC has the
mechanic and White Wolf has the theme).
- What companies may be interested (and just need a push from the
players)? What companies have definitely shown they are not
interested?
- What were the impasses for the previous talks with potential
licencees?

Obviously, don't tell us anything you're legally prevented from doing
so. But any other insights could be greatly helpful. Thanks.

_angst_

9/10/2010 7:42:00 PM

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This is incredibly sad however expected it was to hear this.
It's going to be a long night.

Atleast I will be able to spend all Saturday and Sunday doing what I
love... playing V:tES...

Alexander Ek
VEKN Prince of Gothenburg, Sweden
Former Swedish National Coordinator
Former V:tES EC Organizer

OrgPlay

9/10/2010 7:45:00 PM

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On Sep 10, 3:41 pm, "echiang...@yahoo.com" <echiang...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2:27 pm, OrgPlay <orgp...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 3:23 pm, "echiang...@yahoo.com" <echiang...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 10, 2:17 pm, OrgPlay <orgp...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
> > > > V:TES to Cease Production
> > > > After 10 years back at White Wolf
>
> > > > White Wolf has been increasingly unable to continue serving the V:TES
> > > > community in the way that the game requires. After an exhaustive
> > > > search for possible alternatives to extend V:TES, one of the oldest
> > > > collectible card games will be returning to torpor once more. White
> > > > Wolf sought out many possible licensors to take over the franchise but
> > > > an accord could not be met. V:TES will finish the year strongly with
> > > > the North American Championship at The Grand Masquerade in New Orleans
> > > > and the European Championship in Paris and continue to support
> > > > tournaments for another year, even in the absence of new expansions or
> > > > reprints of old sets. The strength of V:TES has always been in its
> > > > devout following, and White Wolf trusts that while the game may
> > > > retreat from the light for the forseeable future, it will never suffer
> > > > a final death.
>
> > > > Direct Inquiries to:
> > > > Oscar Garza, Organized Play Director
> > > > White Wolf Publishing
> > > > orgp...@white-wolf.com
>
> > > I am saddened to hear this. Is there anything that the playerbase can
> > > do to encourage some third party to pick up the license? Letter/
> > > Internet campaign? Lobbying? Anything?
>
> > > Or maybe once more sets go out of print and go for ridiculous amounts
> > > on eBay, some company will realize that there's still plenty of demand
> > > for product (whether new or reprinted)?
>
> > I'd sign a petition, I tell you what. The licensing for this game is
> > complex, however.
>
> I realize there may be NDA and corporate issues that limit how much
> info you can share.
>
> But what information can you provide (that may help fellow players in
> figuring out the best strategy on what to do next)?
>
> - How complicated is the licensing? (I understand that WotC has the
> mechanic and White Wolf has the theme).
> - What companies may be interested (and just need a push from the
> players)? What companies have definitely shown they are not
> interested?
> - What were the impasses for the previous talks with potential
> licencees?
>
> Obviously, don't tell us anything you're legally prevented from doing
> so. But any other insights could be greatly helpful. Thanks.

There's not much I can say other than we tried very hard and talked to
a lot of potential partners. Sharing a game through licensing makes it
complicated, as you state.

LSJ

9/10/2010 7:58:00 PM

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Thanks to White Wolf for the original license and then this last
decade of expansions and support.

And thanks to all the players, who have more to do with this game
being as great as it is than anything else.

wumpus

9/10/2010 8:02:00 PM

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Howdy,

On Sep 10, 12:17 pm, OrgPlay <orgp...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> V:TES to Cease Production
> After 10 years back at White Wolf
>
> Vampire: The Eternal Struggle® Trading Card Game to Cease Production
>
> Atlanta, GA September 10, 2010--Vampire: The Eternal Struggle™, the
> trading card game published since 2000 by White Wolf Publishing Inc.,
> has survived the lifetimes of many Methuselahs, been a terrifying
> vehicle for their manipulative ways and a true forum for the creation
> of lifelong friends and bitter enemies since its launch in 1994.
>
> White Wolf has been increasingly unable to continue serving the V:TES
> community in the way that the game requires. After an exhaustive
> search for possible alternatives to extend V:TES, one of the oldest
> collectible card games will be returning to torpor once more. White
> Wolf sought out many possible licensors to take over the franchise but
> an accord could not be met. V:TES will finish the year strongly with
> the North American Championship at The Grand Masquerade in New Orleans
> and the European Championship in Paris and continue to support
> tournaments for another year, even in the absence of new expansions or
> reprints of old sets. The strength of V:TES has always been in its
> devout following, and White Wolf trusts that while the game may
> retreat from the light for the forseeable future, it will never suffer
> a final death.
>
> Direct Inquiries to:
> Oscar Garza, Organized Play Director
> White Wolf Publishing
> orgp...@white-wolf.com
>
> On a personal note: I've played V:TES for most of my life and have
> worked with it for 100% of my personal career. My experience is filled
> with unforgettable memories, unforgettable friends, and few but
> unforgettable regrets. It is with a heavy heart that we came to the
> decisions we did regarding V:TES. On the up side, it has been my
> sincere pleasure to have met and worked with as many of you as I have
> and I invite everyone that can make it to the Continental
> Championships to do so I'd like to buy you a drink.

Dang. Now I'm wishing I could make it to the NAC to see 'er off in
style.

Is there any possibility that we, the playerbase, could somehow
commission one 'final' set from White Wolf to let LSJ and the design
team fill out group 5 (leaving group 6 to the Bloodlines would
probably be best) and put any final touches on the library card set
he'd like to get in before the lights go out?

I'd personally be willing to front a significant amount to see this
happen, and one of V:tES' strengths is that it has a lot of older
(more 'mature', hah!) players who have real jobs and income.

Thanks for crushing the rumors and giving it to us straight.

Alex

mongrel@hotpop.com

9/10/2010 8:04:00 PM

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On Sep 10, 3:17 pm, OrgPlay <orgp...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> V:TES to Cease Production
> After 10 years back at White Wolf

I just want to say thanks to Oscar, LSJ, and all the great people I've
met playing the game.

And I suspect that after WW's final year of tournament support, the
VEKN will exist in some grassroots form for years to come. I look
forward to that.

-Matt H.

John Flournoy

9/10/2010 8:07:00 PM

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On Sep 10, 3:02 pm, wumpus <wump...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Is there any possibility that we, the playerbase, could somehow
> commission one 'final' set from White Wolf to let LSJ and the design
> team fill out group 5 (leaving group 6 to the Bloodlines would
> probably be best) and put any final touches on the library card set
> he'd like to get in before the lights go out?
>
> I'd personally be willing to front a significant amount to see this
> happen, and one of V:tES' strengths is that it has a lot of older
> (more 'mature', hah!) players who have real jobs and income.

You're not the first person to suggest this over the last few months,
Alex. The primary factor will be if LSJ is interested in continuing to
work on it, and once that's determined I'm sure a collective effort
can be arranged.

> Alex

-John Flournoy