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Is Confusion of the Eye usable?

Demnogonis Saastuttaja

6/30/2010 11:32:00 PM

I'm just thinking, possibly the most effective action you can take is
Parity Shift, and it's really common to see it, too. It totally
changes some situations, it can turn a game to victory from impeding
defeat. Well, Confusion of the Eye screws it, it also can slow down
some presence vote decks nicely, and has a restricted reduce. So I
made a deck with eight CoS's, with obfuscate Tzimisce and also auspex
reduce (just to test CoS's specifically), reduce up to 3, stay
untapped and bleed with Enkil Cog, and you'll never Parity Shift from
me, you can also screw some other voting with your jolly crosstable
buddies. Anyway, some more sensible uses could be when you also have
some staying voting ablilty, like the new Baali, or some Malkavians
with Wrong and Crosswise which is also a vote/reduce thing.

So when you want to have a reliable defense against bleeds and voting,
do you consider Confusion of the Eye, or is it always something like
10 Deflection, 2 Delaying Tactics?

Well, I'm just going to screw some Parity Shifts anyway, some pesky
Alastors, too, and perhaps some poor Anathema deck which really
doesn't merit that kind of hate. I think I saw CoS a lot more often
when PTO was still here. A shame Sabbat doesn't have really worthwhile
votes.
9 Answers

Haze Rever

7/1/2010 12:01:00 AM

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On Jun 30, 6:31 pm, Demnogonis Saastuttaja <vihako...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm just thinking, possibly the most effective action you can take is
> Parity Shift, and it's really common to see it, too. It totally
> changes some situations, it can turn a game to victory from impeding
> defeat. Well, Confusion of the Eye screws it, it also can slow down
> some presence vote decks nicely, and has a restricted reduce. So I
> made a deck with eight CoS's, with obfuscate Tzimisce and also auspex
> reduce (just to test CoS's specifically), reduce up to 3, stay
> untapped and bleed with Enkil Cog, and you'll never Parity Shift from
> me, you can also screw some other voting with your jolly crosstable
> buddies. Anyway, some more sensible uses could be when you also have
> some staying voting ablilty, like the new Baali, or some Malkavians
> with Wrong and Crosswise which is also a vote/reduce thing.
>
> So when you want to have a reliable defense against bleeds and voting,
> do you consider Confusion of the Eye, or is it always something like
> 10 Deflection, 2 Delaying Tactics?
>
> Well, I'm just going to screw some Parity Shifts anyway, some pesky
> Alastors, too, and perhaps some poor Anathema deck which really
> doesn't merit that kind of hate. I think I saw CoS a lot more often
> when PTO was still here. A shame Sabbat doesn't have really worthwhile
> votes.

whenever I include it in a deck I never get to use it. maybe it's just
because vote decks have been uncommon locally. and when they do
appear, they don't use Parity Shift, instead going for basic KRCs and
Con Boons. and the "younger than" clause on the bleed reduce usually
screws me when I use midcaps.

I think it's only really useful if you have permanent votes on your
bigcap vampires, since you can even prevent awe/BO votepushing. funny
that, votepush is also really unpopular in my local meta...

Obtenebration

7/1/2010 12:12:00 AM

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On Jun 30, 5:00 pm, Haze Rever <hazere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 6:31 pm, Demnogonis Saastuttaja <vihako...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm just thinking, possibly the most effective action you can take is
> > Parity Shift, and it's really common to see it, too. It totally
> > changes some situations, it can turn a game to victory from impeding
> > defeat. Well, Confusion of the Eye screws it, it also can slow down
> > some presence vote decks nicely, and has a restricted reduce. So I
> > made a deck with eight CoS's, with obfuscate Tzimisce and also auspex
> > reduce (just to test CoS's specifically), reduce up to 3, stay
> > untapped and bleed with Enkil Cog, and you'll never Parity Shift from
> > me, you can also screw some other voting with your jolly crosstable
> > buddies. Anyway, some more sensible uses could be when you also have
> > some staying voting ablilty, like the new Baali, or some Malkavians
> > with Wrong and Crosswise which is also a vote/reduce thing.
>
> > So when you want to have a reliable defense against bleeds and voting,
> > do you consider Confusion of the Eye, or is it always something like
> > 10 Deflection, 2 Delaying Tactics?
>
> > Well, I'm just going to screw some Parity Shifts anyway, some pesky
> > Alastors, too, and perhaps some poor Anathema deck which really
> > doesn't merit that kind of hate. I think I saw CoS a lot more often
> > when PTO was still here. A shame Sabbat doesn't have really worthwhile
> > votes.
>
> whenever I include it in a deck I never get to use it. maybe it's just
> because vote decks have been uncommon locally. and when they do
> appear, they don't use Parity Shift, instead going for basic KRCs and
> Con Boons. and the "younger than" clause on the bleed reduce usually
> screws me when I use midcaps.
>
> I think it's only really useful if you have permanent votes on your
> bigcap vampires, since you can even prevent awe/BO votepushing. funny
> that, votepush is also really unpopular in my local meta...

Confusion isn't a bad card. If you can find room for it and expect it
to have an impact then go for it.

There is certainly worse cards you could be using up card slots with.

Just ask yourself is it better than just using a Delaying Tactics and
if you can answer yes for your deck try it.

brandonsantacruz

7/1/2010 3:18:00 AM

0

Confusion of the Eye + Wrong and Crosswise is somewhat strong. You can
cancel the votes of the acting vampire and get 4 votes against between
those two cards, or reduce by 3.

Brandon

Peter D Bakija

7/1/2010 1:04:00 PM

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On Jun 30, 7:31 pm, Demnogonis Saastuttaja <vihako...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> So when you want to have a reliable defense against bleeds and voting,
> do you consider Confusion of the Eye, or is it always something like
> 10 Deflection, 2 Delaying Tactics?

Confusion of the Eye is an excellent card. It cancels Parity Shift,
Alastor, and Anathema. It totally hoses decks that rely on vote push
and slows down Voter Cap. And if you don't need it for vote defense,
it reduces bleeds. What isn't to like?


Wedge

7/1/2010 3:35:00 PM

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On Jul 1, 6:04 am, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 7:31 pm, Demnogonis Saastuttaja <vihako...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > So when you want to have a reliable defense against bleeds and voting,
> > do you consider Confusion of the Eye, or is it always something like
> > 10 Deflection, 2 Delaying Tactics?
>
> Confusion of the Eye is an excellent card. It cancels Parity Shift,
> Alastor, and Anathema. It totally hoses decks that rely on vote push
> and slows down Voter Cap. And if you don't need it for vote defense,
> it reduces bleeds. What isn't to like?

Anathema really, I admit that it is a big swing vote, but very few
decks can make use of it.
If your going to bother listed a third vote should it not be,
Revolutionary Council?

Hyllan

7/1/2010 6:44:00 PM

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On 1 Juli, 01:31, Demnogonis Saastuttaja <vihako...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> So when you want to have a reliable defense against bleeds and voting,
> do you consider Confusion of the Eye, or is it always something like
> 10 Deflection, 2 Delaying Tactics?

My Enkidu decks always used to have a couple of Confusion of the Eye,
but then they banned PTO and now I rarely use it. Though I have a few
in one of my Followers of Set decks and I actually got to cancel a
Parity Shift with it last night.

Peter D Bakija

7/1/2010 7:09:00 PM

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In article
<50e94d8e-a53f-4263-a6ae-a0d4c841ad69@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Wedge <mattzpl@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anathema really, I admit that it is a big swing vote, but very few
> decks can make use of it.

Yeah, that Anathema doesn't see much play doesn't make my point any less
cromulent.

Confusion of the Eye is:

-Free.
-Easily cycleable for bleed reduction if you don't need to foil votes.
-Outright cancels a bunch of powerful votes, some of which are seen all
the time (Parity Shift, Archon, Alastor), some not so much but still get
cancelled outright if they do show up (Anathema, 1st Tradition, Auto da
Fe)
-Significantly foils decks that rely on vote push and voter cap.
-Doesn't tap you.

I'd imagine that pretty much all decks that have OBF and can reliably
play reaction cards would have a couple in there.

Peter D Bakija
pdb6@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6...

"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?"
-Gaff

David Johnston

12/23/2011 7:57:00 PM

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On 12/23/2011 11:11 AM, Mason Barge wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:05:58 -0500, David<dimlan17@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/media-missteps-2011-thr-year-in-rev...
>
> Lame establishment list. About the creativity level of Pravda doing a Man
> of the Year in 1970.
>
> Where is Nancy Grace screaming about how guilty Anthony was?

That didn't hurt Nancy Grace at all. She was just doing the same thing
she always does.

Mason Barge

1/1/2012 5:08:00 PM

0

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:53:48 -0800 (PST), "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.com>
wrote:

>On Dec 23, 10:11?am, Mason Barge <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:05:58 -0500, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/media-missteps-201......
>>
>> Lame establishment list. About the creativity level of Pravda doing a Man
>> of the Year in 1970.
>>
>> Where is Nancy Grace screaming about how guilty Anthony was?
>
>Where's the "misstep" there?! - Casey Anthony *is* clearly guilty.

Well, she was probably guilty of a fairly serious crime. She just wasn't
proven guilty of the crimes she was accused of.

It was the prosecutor who screwed up, not the jury. Which Nancy Grace,
being herself an incompetent prosecutory, of course failed to see.